worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

• to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
• to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

Watching Parliament Live (15 minutes behind as I was late), if Hancock says Guided By The Science one more time I swear I'm going to scream...
Some excellent questions from other MPs, it's clear they have been listening to constituents.

You know what they say you get the government you deserve. 3 months into a 5 year administration...

Show us the Science!

I have been reading all day andi keep coming back to JFK's speech , ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country . If all of us that are well and able to help can and do we could not only survive this but thrive . If we shop for elderly and vulnerable neighbours and leave on doorsteps we can help self quarantine people . If we help out family and friends with childcare if schools close then we can share the hardships and help with the idea or herd immunity and keep the country running

Well said Ejmorgan

I don't think viruses attack the immune system apart from HIV, do they ? Happymum2019 I started feeling like that when I saw what's happening in China. Although I thought it might be nice to have a break from everything. Getting pretty scary now.

Good point about staff. Some really good questions being asked.
“Inviting recent retirees back in” - will be part of “The Bill”

They seem to think the virus will wait till they get their act together.

What's the point of any powers if schools are not closed.

No school, no college, no uni.

If he says 111 once more I'll scream.

What a terrible look it is for Parliament to fe so self-focused when they are requiring the rest of us to “take it on the chin” and stick to “business as usual”.

I agree that they should be working remotely. But we all should be, in so much as that is possible, at this point.

Had to turn the tv off, I couldn't bear to hear his bullshit waffle anymore and I just can't afford a new tv.

See I'm not sold on Chris Whitty. yeah I know he has a huge CV but he's spent a long time hanging out with his Westminster buddies.

I saw an interview with another viral expert from oxford, and he was pretty clear that if they are waiting for a certain amount before implementing stuff, then it would be too late.

I.DO.NOT.TRUST.CHRIS.WHITTY.
Or the government in the slightest.

Thread 22 is here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3845520-Worried-about-coronavirus-thread-22?watched=1

@usernameishistory asked me to make a new one as she can't right now

All about the MPs again...

Rather than vaguely tell everyone to call 111 if they think they have it, would it not make more sense to tell people to call 111 if they have returned from xyz/had contact with a confirmed case (much as I agree these won't show true numbers, I understand the point in minimising how many people call 111 or get tested)/ARE UNABLE TO BREATHE.

Make it very very clear that given no reason to suspect your common or garden cold is CV, you do not need to call 111 unless you cannot breathe.

I am worried for the 1/5 who need o2 that they may not get taken seriously enough to even get to hospital, if they can even get through.

Not sure if the updated France figures have been posted yet, but they are now up to 2281 cases (497 new ones today). They are stopping people visiting old people's homes for "several weeks".

Go bell!!

Call for all of the House to be tested!

Huh. Well.

Been lurking on the threads trying to get some sort of clarity, waited with baited breath and hoped for some sort of guidance from Parliament this evening but it just looks all a bit Brexit II to me.

TIME to sign this now. Sign the petition for action against CV19

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Click on page one.

they say you get the government you deserve

Quite. I've resisted posting that line, but it rings through my head all bloody day at the moment.

@BeyondMymymymyCorona If you can't breath, you should be calling 999, not 111- it's not an emergency service.

It's important to have the 111 service available to everyone, because it will stop people with symptoms rocking up at GPs and hospitals.

There is already community transmission, and soon they will need to start testing people without known contact with a case, IMO.

ejmorgan flax agree. Saw elderly woman struggling home with small shop today. Three of us noticed. A young guy stopped and spoke to her to offer help and did help her. I’m very aware that our elderly in particular plus those with health relevant conditions will be finding this difficult (although my older neighbours have said they are fine for now).

I agree with their tactic. They want to advise a lockdown/self isolation when we are nearer peak to protect more people rather than do it now and then everyone get bored and start going out again in two weeks when it's likely to peak.

Follow the science... like this for example. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/research-finds-huge-impact-of-interventions-on-spread-of-covid-19?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Denmark closes all schools and universities due to coronavirus, orders all public sector employees with non-critical jobs to be sent home from Friday - Reuters

I did like that the Derby MP challenged them on why we aren’t using the easier test that gives results in 10 minutes which apparently scientists in Derby manufactured and are exporting to other countries