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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 20

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usernameishistory · 10/03/2020 15:57

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Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

  • to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
  • to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure

read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 2/3rds vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

Flowers thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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SistemaAddict · 11/03/2020 09:54

My GP has told me today that guidance on testing has not changed so no testing unless you've travelled or been in close contact with a confirmed case. I imagine this will change though as numbers go up and community transmission is blindingly obvious and undeniable.

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2020 09:55

It’ll probably change when the extra tests are ready to go

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 09:55

@AnneKipanki Thanks for confirming. That's what I believed too - such as flu, colds or such - not like chicken pox for example.

Dramalamaindeed · 11/03/2020 09:55

Wonder how the infected MP got tested... she must have been either in contact with a known case or travelled to infected area?

Horehound · 11/03/2020 09:56

That link from @ofwarren about the sixth British person to die if you didn't open it you wouldn't know this person was already critically ill and she died in Indonesia.

Ofwarren it might help to expand on certain things like that when you're posting them

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 09:56

I wonder, through the wonders of science, if they will ever trace it back to the first human case and what happened - like CJD?

CrunchyCarrot · 11/03/2020 09:56

@ofwarren Yes that's the original post rather than the reply.

CrunchyCarrot · 11/03/2020 09:57

My GP has told me today that guidance on testing has not changed so no testing unless you've travelled or been in close contact with a confirmed case. I imagine this will change though as numbers go up and community transmission is blindingly obvious and undeniable.

Seems far too little, too late!

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2020 09:57

"if people stayed at home for a few weeks this thing could be beaten."

That's likely true of any country in Europe
If only people would do that:
WFH or SFH when possible, otherwise go to work or school, then straight home and stay there

Yes the hospitality industry would take a massive hit, but public services and most of the economy could continue

ofwarren · 11/03/2020 09:59

@crunchycarrot
So strange because I can see a blue clicky link with all the things I have posted today.
I don't know how to tell if it's not worked for other people.

Comenext · 11/03/2020 10:00

@usernameishistory
Yes, that is the link in the first few lines of the OP.
Maybe put in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland?

cologne4711 · 11/03/2020 10:01

I've just been on a wild goose chase to buy a thermometer. Didn't realise people had been panic buying them too. Suppose I should have done! The only one we have is one of the forehead scanning ones, which apparently expired in 2006!

Wehttam · 11/03/2020 10:01

cjt august is quite a while away, do what you feel is right but bear in mind:

If no FCO ban is in place you will lose your money or have to risk going to somewhere where there is a high chance of infection and being stuck using a foreign health system.

If you can afford to lose the money should you not want to travel when the time comes but you can not get a refund then keep your booking.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2020 10:02

Horehound That 6th British person to die - If she caught it in the UK, she might still be counted in UK stats

However, if she caught it in Indonesia and also died there, I wouldn't have expected her to be included in UK stats

A German caught the virus in Luxorm, Egypt stayed there all the time and died there - he is included in stats for Egypt, not Germany,
because his nationality is irrelevant to where he got the disease and where he was treated.

usernameishistory · 11/03/2020 10:02

Hi @Delatron

You said this:

I’ll stop derailing but to say ‘most don’t realise they have the flu’ is wildly inaccurate.

I don't think the circling is getting us anywhere, so I've put a brief outline below ...

University College London, London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, Public Health England, University of Oxford, University of Nottingham and Imperial College London. It was funded by the Medical Research Council and the Wellcome Trust....(funded by the Medical Research Council and the Wellcome Trust) was published in the peer-reviewed medical journal The Lancet Respiratory Medicine.
Research Collabators of flu watch group analysed five groups of people over six periods of influenza transmission, between 2006 and 2011.

They found...
... of those swabbed and found to be infected, most (3/4) reported no symptoms (despite weekly questionning for symptoms)

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Horehound · 11/03/2020 10:03

So @usernamehistory can see @ofwarren links but not what the source is.
Is that right?
Because I think there's been some ci fusion in what's going on here.

Horehound · 11/03/2020 10:04

@BigChocFrenzy well looking in worldometer it looks like she is counted on the Indonesian stats

usernameishistory · 11/03/2020 10:04

I did already reply to you @Comenext please look back for it

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ofwarren · 11/03/2020 10:05

Ohhh, if that's the case hore I'll just write that on manually.
I assumed the link didn't work

Horehound · 11/03/2020 10:05

@BigChocFrenzy so that's the same as the German person.
All I'm saying is I think it's important to share that information because anyone looking at worldometer will expect to see the UK death rise but a tually, it's in Indonesia...

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 10:06

@Wehttam We've paid our deposit and would lose that but that's it

Horehound · 11/03/2020 10:06

@ofwarren nah your links are fine. Username already said further back that they can see the links but not the sources and they are picking and choosing what to look at. I think. That's the way it reads anyway!

ToughGuy · 11/03/2020 10:08

I would not book a holiday now. We booked ours just before this all kicked off. We are due to go to Cyprus in August but are probably going to cancel and lose our deposit £400 arrrggh. Cyprus atm are asking visitors to self isolate, I am not going on holiday to sit a hotel room for 14 days.

usernameishistory · 11/03/2020 10:09

As I was saying ofwarren I just wanted to see who the source was (in the pp)

I dont click on all the links posted here, and pick [by source] who I click on as being worth reading

The pp I posted was literally a copy of yours, where yes, the first bit is in blue, bit it doesnt say click here, and I cant see from the post who the source is, mostly it doesnt matter as Im not too bothered but every now and again I am interested to know wheres its come from, so ask (purely because its not written on the post itself (the link probably works perfectly well Smile.

Nothing not working, nothing you've done to stop anything working, just wondered at the source.

I hope that makes better sense?

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Sunshinesky1981 · 11/03/2020 10:10

Have we had any guidance on if in 10-14 days the advices changed like they have warned that anyone with a cough/cold type systems need to self isolate for 7 days if the local authority is going to relax attendance figures for schools? I imagine parents that have the ability to take kids out of school will stop them going in for the week before easter and use a cough as an excuse to get them out without fear of school harassing them, which might not be a bad thing.. less people, less chance to spread perhaps?