Coronavirus thread 13

[KenAdams]

Previous thread here.

We are using Worldometer, BDO and Dr John Campbell videos as part of the discussions.

It's not usual for a suspected DVT and with the additional issues surrounding the mental health no. Not unheard of but not frequent in those particular circumstances.

Murray unless this it's contained now, we are all in for a much worse ride...

Who will look after your patients if your staff are all ill or all in self isolation? Or infected?

@Fourducksate
I agree it's the unknowns that's causing panic. And the fact that people seem to be saying one thing and doing another, or that the death rate is jumping around so much.

I think its so important that the government puts in a concerted effort to be more truthful with us, even if they say 'truth is we don't know, but we're planning for any eventuality' and then they were actually seen to be preparing. Building a hospital wouldn't go amiss.
I would feel a lot better about the whole thing if I believed a word they said. I think the fear makes people ether bury their heads in the sand or fall down the rabbit hole of Internet theories.

Murray You your team and those like you are as much of a hero to me as the staff in hospitals. I have no idea how you all do it, it’s off topic but thank you, society can have a nasty way of leaving behind the vulnerable.

We have to take responsibility as much as we for ourselves @Wehttam

Yes spring. That's what I'm saying? Who will?
There aren't enough staff even without a virus. But there is no planning for social
Care that I've seen at all, other than 'well
Let's hope it doesn't happen'.

Seriously? Viruses don't care who's running the country, it doesn't care about politics & it doesn't care about what job you have & it doesn't care about you. Get a grip @WitchDoc

Where did I say any of that? This is why posters on other threads are actively avoiding this thread like the plague, it's full of posters pushing speculative melodramatic agendas and twisting rational comments into irrational nonsense

My Dsis was travelling via Asia recently and was ill with a cough. After returning and checking with 111 and then being told she was clear to go to work, my DSis was called into her local hospital for testing a few days ago.

No precautions mentioned or applied around her getting there and back either. No result yet either.

She has actually been WFH since she got back as her firm didn't want to take any risks, so if by any chance she does have it (very unlikely) she's at least not been at work for the past few weeks.

You missed the top (& most important) bit off.
Go away

What the government is saying furrytobean is that we don't know (they do), and we're going to intervene at the precise critical moment. Not a second before and no matter how many jobs, livelihoods or lives are lost. It's Economics innit.

So you are not going to answer the question as to how or why today's single death = "a shitshow" in your eyes?

MurrayTheMonk
Thank you for what you do. What Whettam said.

Sorry, Wehttam

We have two week easter break coming up.
I think shutting schools for two week prior plus imposing some travel bans and imposing ban, quarantine will ease pressure

I agree this seems the most sensible thing to do, though I don't expect the gov't will do it. And they could keep say 1 in 5 schools open (or fewer) for key workers.

Have said on another thread, and will say here too - I think it doesn't have to be either or. If everyone who can WFH does WFH that will slow the spread, flatten the peak and ultimately save lives - but of course some (doctors, nurses, carers) can't WFH. But there are PLENTY of jobs where travel really isn't absolutely essential (using skype, teleconferencing instead - also more environmentally friendly!). If everyone who can cancel travel plans does (non-essential travel like holidays) ditto - will reduce spread, flatten peak.

Again, if everyone who CAN keep kids off school does, that will slow spread, even if the children of key workers still need to be in a minority of open schools. It will also ensure that the key workers' kids will still be able to be taught when a sizeable proportion of the teachers and support staff are sick or isolating, or looking after family members who are sick. It will take the pressure off the school system. It does seem to be win win and I don't understand why the government isn't encouraging parents who can do this to do so (I'm not saying it will be easy for those parents at home but it seems worth it if it saves lives and helps the NHS cope).

Havent they got a half built hospital up North due to Carillion going bust Cant they get their act together and get ppl to finish building it.

Or why the gov't is not encouraging people to cancel / postpone non-essential travel, either.

They don't seem to be leading at all.

Spring is advising that we take the least damaging, least disruptive option. Short-term inconvenient (even disruptive) measures rather than wait until the virus is so widespread the disruption far greater. Temporary action taken now, if it's not too late already, would mean care staff not getting sick in the first place - so people needing care wouldn't be left to starve. It's about preemption. If only we had a strong opposition to hold the government to account. A massive majority is not good whichever party is in power.

You're right @Namechanger20183110 I'm wrong

Helena, I don’t think that’s realistic

It’s more realistic to treat people in the places already marked as overflow. Finishing the build of a hospital, and in this weather, would take months.

There is a huge hospital being built in Liverpool. In fact it should have been completed a while back, but Carillion who were building it went bust.

The infrastructure is there, it has a lot of equipment in it, the heating is kept on and lights on most of the time, to keep everything running, although I believe there are some structural problems now.

However, surely this would be the perfect place if it were needed. God amazing things are done in field hospitals, the Chinese were working in what was effectively portacabins and sports halls.

There are two good Universities practically next door, with Nursing students and Doctors. Surely if the Chinese can practically build a hospital in a few weeks, we could furnish a floor or two?

I read a while ago - and I’m sorry I really can’t remember where - that in the gov battle plan they suggest using army barracks

A chest infection has never been mentioned in relation to coronavirus.

Erm... pneumonia?

If it’s this one, there’s major structural flaws? And then lord knows what else carillon screwed up there.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-50828141

Sorry, that was to Four

This is the inside.... Not exactly unfinished!

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/new-royal-liverpool-hospital-happen-14149684