Coronavirus thread 13

[KenAdams]

Previous thread here.

We are using Worldometer, BDO and Dr John Campbell videos as part of the discussions.

Big choc I'm with you on that list, blaming gov and their advisors of course but I'd add flexible school closure too.

It would be far morel sensible to forget about actual education right now and use school as holding Penn for those that need it run on rota of Skelton staff.

I hate the way we've been trained to think of the threat being to "the elderly and sick". Unfortunately many people won't care or worry unless and until they can relate to it personally. For many "the elderly and sick" is too distant. The implication is also that these are people already on their way out. I have several relatives in their 70s and 80s. All active physically and mentally. Much like Stanley Johnson.

The risk starts at 60. Many think of elderly as much older than 60. Boris is just 5 years off 60. I don't think of him as old. Likewise "the sick". Implies already unwell. Many people with underlying conditions are young. Many are fit and otherwise healthy, they work, they lead active lives. Plenty of people will unknowingky know someone, an acquaintance, family friend, colleague, with preexisting conditions.

During the war @BigChocFrenzy children were evacuated to safer places.
IMO health care workers will have to isolate themselves from their children, handing them over to grandparents or other careers whilst they get on with their roles.
Remember the video of the little Chinese girl hugging her nurse mother through thin air?

The NHS would really struggle with large amount of the elderly with chests infections. And if they did recover they would be hard to discharge as they would have lost their muscle mass and there is limited social care. Relatives would have to step up.

We’ll have to agree to differ, Namechanger.

Guess we’ll find out who was right over the next few months.

Hope it’s you.

I've read that daily mail article a few times now and all I ever think is 'what happened to the cat'?

I mean it's just weird there's picture of him with it and then suddenly it's 'oh yeah the cat died' and it's implied it died of the same thing that the guy had but we know that's not possible.

I just think it's a very unreliable article. Which is shocking considering the source I know.

Agreed stairway . Under the Three Wise Men protocol those elderly people would not be getting the hospital beds they need to recover.

They would be “cared for” at home.

Furry I thought that too!

Everything being done now to try and contain this will seem alarmist but unless we do this then afterwards it will all feel like we didn’t do anywhere near enough, that what we did was inadequate.

I can’t shake that thought out of my head, I quoted it earlier but it really is ringing in my ears.

Wettham where did you quote that from?

stairway the loss of muscle mass. Would that apply to anyone who gets it badly enough to be hospitalised? Or is it something that affects older people more?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-deaths-nhs-intensive-care-flu-wise-men-protocol-a9361916.html%3famp

The NHS would really struggle with large amount of the elderly with chests infections

Let's just give them a chance shall we, before we label it a shitshow

@Namechanger20183110
I said this week would be a shit show and nobody listened.

A chest infection has never been mentioned in relation to coronavirus.

Why do we have to wait until our elderly are dying at awful rates before we take the similar measures
The public won’t tolerate severe restrictions for long. They’re saving that for the peak.

fezzesarecool Newsround is for kids, of course they’re playing down the risks so as not to scare them! I can’t believe that grown adults are watching propaganda made to reassure kids and regarding it as actual news!

Yeah, let’s see how the chronically underfunded NHS manage this oncoming tsunami of patients.

The staff are amazing, they are exceptional, but they are not superhuman.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-51565492

It's worrying not just NHS hospitals but care homes and community carers. All these services operate on very quick visits and skeleton staffing. I think people are really going to have to care for their own elderly and sick relatives if a lot of carers go off sick as agencies and local authorities won't be able to provide the care.

Re muscle mass

Well it depends

I lost mine when I had pneumonia but could manage alone at 32. Loading the washing machine made me need a lie down!

72, probably not.

“ And if they did recover they would be hard to discharge as they would have lost their muscle mass”

My late father sent me to fight the discharge of a man who had nothing and no relatives to help out (cancer ward). It was quite a task, saying to the Social worker, “I’m fighting this discharge, this man is, er, nothing to do with me”. But we got there.

We might need local community volunteers to help those discharged. I volunteer through the church, I bet they’ve got a plan. I have t been for ages because I don’t believe in god, but I have a feeling churches might be able to help here.

@WitchDoc why has this week been a shitshow? I think we are doing pretty well compared to lots of other countries

And what makes you think we'd be any different to Italy or Germany? They're both civilised western countries & both have admitted its out of control & they are out of their depth.
Britain is not special. A virus does not distinguish between countries

gal

I've seen stretched and it wasn't flu season a few times.

All the more reason to simply allow us all to thin out with options. AS we know many people think it's rubbish, let them go to work and send their dc to school and carry on. Let those who have to carry on, cary on with options, and those that can isolate, isolate.

Do you work for the NHS namechanger? I can only speak from my own personal experience of looking after a handful of elderly patients with chest infections and how awful the hospital environment is like during black escalations. I can’t imagine what it would be like with extremely large numbers of the elderly with chest infections. Even if the mortality rate is low the physical deterioration means that the elderly patient can spend weeks in hospital bed blocking. It would be chaos, where would they all go?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-deaths-nhs-intensive-care-flu-wise-men-protocol-a9361916.html%3famp

The NHS is wonderful and I believe they will be pulling out all the stops

But the reality is what it is unfortunately

I still don't get the 1% fatality prediction. Given that it's far more than that elsewhere. Can someone explain?