To be worried about Coronavirus - Part 8

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I'd just been to church, and the priest gave an announcement before the service started - no shaking of hands to share the peace, and no wine at all, just the wafer for communion

@EgonSpengler2020 but what about children with COPD? The lack of info is shocking frankly.

That's really good Coco that's what they all should be doing.

Both Germany & France now have more reported cases than Singapore & Hong Kong.

@KenAdams just wondering if you would consider including a link to the 40 page WHO report, there’s a lot of very valuable information within.
www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

I’ve just bought some hibiscrub from amazon. Surgeons use it before and after operating so I’m guessing it’s pretty effective at killing germs?

Coronavirus, red zone violation: 18 reported in the province of Lodi

tg24.sky.it/milano/2020/03/01/coronavirus-violazione-zona-rossa.amp.html?social=twitter_skytg24_photo_null&__twitter_impression=true

Italians are breaking quarantine

The Church of England’s latest guidance only recommends refraining from handshaking and the communion cup for people with “coughs and sneezes”. Hmmm...

@ofwarren if that's the case then we need to block any and all travel to and from Italy. Bloody idiots.

ofwarren I could imagine many Brits breaking quarantine too.

Checking in so as to keep up to date. This has been very useful for me.

Totally @GlitterCandle.
People are selfish

We already had the Wuhan quarantine lot when they were in isolation threaten to leave if they didn't get more booze and take away. Frankly, they should have all been given the bill on leaving after quarantine, disgusting people.

@BiBiBirdie

The lack of info is shocking frankly.

There is info and as has been repeatedly said children have a very low risk of dying.

Wuhan is a similar size to London and hubei is a similar size to the UK, so they will have their quota of children with chronic conditions and ex NICU kids etc, despite this no children under 10 died during the outbreak there and only one between 10 and 20. Yes these are only statistics and multiplied up to 70% of the worlds population there will no doubt be deaths in these age groups but the current evidence says that those numbers will be tiny.

I think we can all be grateful that children are not a vulnerable patient group in this outbreak.

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

The evidence for asthmatic patients not being at increased risk comes from this paper: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/all.14238 which compared the characteristics of patients with mild and severe disease. This concluded that asthmatics and those with COPD were not more severely affected.

However, it's worth bearing in mind that a relatively small number of patients were studied and actually there were no asthmatics in the study groups. I'm not convinced that this is a basis for saying that asthmatics are not at risk. The paper also had a very low number of smokers (9 out of 140) yet we know that rates of smoking are very high in China. This would suggest to me that either smokers and those with respiratory diseases are less likely to develop covid-19 or, more likely, the group of patients they looked at was not representative. Especially considering a much larger study did show an increased risk for chronic respiratory disease.

Having said that, chronic resp disease is a broad umbrella, and there is likely to be a big difference between say, a current smoker with COPD on oxygen therapy and someone with mild, well-controlled asthma.

@EgonSpengler2020 I was referring to children and young adults with COPD/underlying lung issues.
They are at risk.

@Kikkoman
I've been on MN since 2003.
And you?

So what happens to our ill kids Egon when the NHS is stretched beyond capacity and there are no available beds and mine and BiBis kids need hospitalisation for their conditions? Mine has a stretch in hospital at least once a year.
We will have children dying of OTHER conditions because they don't have the doctors or the medical equipment to treat them.

@Reallybadidea personally I don't trust anything sourced from China. They won't want the world going mental at them, at first this was said to have stemmed from poor hygiene practices and eating questionable items. They then admitted it was caused by a Lab next to the wet market not practicing safely and that allowed it to escape and infect people.
They do obviously stand to lose a lot economically and sadly, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. It's damage limitation.
Doing tests and releasing info when they didn't even include smokers says it all.

@BiBiBirdie

I was referring to children and young adults with COPD/underlying lung issues.
They are at risk.

Where is the evidence?

Because it isn't what the stats from wuhan say, and pollution levels and smoking levels (and therefore passive smoking levels) are much higher in China, so it is safe to assume the Chinese have a good number of asthmatic children.

The Covid19 situation is scary enough without seeing problems where they don't exist.

@EgonSpengler2020 and you genuinely trust anything coming from Wuhan? I don't. Hell no.

They then admitted it was caused by a Lab next to the wet market not practicing safely and that allowed it to escape and infect people.

Unless I have missed a major news update this is false.

@ofwarren

We will have children dying of OTHER conditions because they don't have the doctors or the medical equipment to treat them.

This is unfortunately likely to be a problem unless the government get on top of things, but the risk of kids dying as an indirect result of Covid 19 is not what was being discussed just now.

@AvocadoOwl www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-actually-started-secret-wuhan-21506739.amp

@BiBiBirdie children don't tend to get COPD (as it's causes by long term damage from exposure to lung irritants), their lung issues are usually either asthma, congenital or caused as a result of another disease. So there won't be much data on that. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of data at all regarding children, although this could be a good thing as they aren't tending to be affected by this virus.

Most of the countries with enough cases to get reliable data from are far too busy with the infections to be writing papers and getting them published, we won't have good reliable data for a long time yet. Which unfortunately leads to a lot of misinformation and conjecture.