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To be worried about Coronavirus - Part 8

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KenAdams · 01/03/2020 08:49

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Wunderweb · 01/03/2020 21:17

Please don’t misunderstand me, I’m not Interested in naming - absolutely not- I’m just surprised there haven’t been any articles or anything from recovered patients.

Etinox · 01/03/2020 21:17

@Meruem. Taxi.

SirVixofVixHall · 01/03/2020 21:20

I have auto-immune thyroiditis so I would also like a link to the Lancet report if anyone has it.
I agree the lack of voices of people who have recovered is making this more frightening.

housemdwaswrong · 01/03/2020 21:20

'The Government is not going to shut schools unless all the staff are sick and they have no one to teach.'

What makes you think that? The foot traffic through a secondary school to keep it running is phenomenal. Transport: bus drivers, taxi drivers, food delivery, stationery supplies delivery.

Then take into account visiting professionals which the school can run without but are there often; nurses, social workers, police, counsellors etc.

Staff: 70 teachers, 40 support staff plus admin staff & visiting teaching staff.

Add in siblings and families into the mix and schools are the first places I'd shut down. They reach into so many areas, and even though the children don't seem to be suffering hugely when they contact it, they can pass it on.

Why do you think the government wouldn't?

DonkeyKong2019 · 01/03/2020 21:20

Have they actually said anyone has recovered here? Maybe they haven't yet

GPwife2411 · 01/03/2020 21:21

If you're interested in the effects of CV on healthcare professionals (and we should be - without them, there is no safety net for the severely ill) then I'd recommend this interview between a popular youtube doctor and Dr Peter Hotez, professor and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine,. 15% of HCPs in Wuhan became severely ill - even though most were demographically low risk - and this explores what should be considered in avoiding this here. The physicians in question are US based but their comments still stand in the main. It's a long watch but worth it.

persin · 01/03/2020 21:21

@Wunderweb without naming we could be told they do/ do not have a chronic disease

Emptywallet · 01/03/2020 21:22

They won’t close the schools down because of the effect it has on the economy. Money over health.

Wehttam · 01/03/2020 21:24

Dementedma I bet it’s been an experience for him that’s for sure. Is he planning on staying in China or do you think this will make him reconsider and come back to the UK?

fedup21 · 01/03/2020 21:26

Add in siblings and families into the mix and schools are the first places I'd shut down.

The BBC article earlier today was reporting emergency measures about scrapping class size limits so that teachers would teach extra large classes to cover any absent colleagues-that seems to be suggesting they are planning doing the opposite to closing schools.

confusedandtired99 · 01/03/2020 21:26

I’m worried and I don’t mind admitting it. I have a feeling there is a lot we aren’t being told.

ajandjjmum · 01/03/2020 21:26

DonkeyKong2019
I am sure that I read several days ago that 9 of the (then diagnosed) 11 had been discharged from hospital.

nellodee · 01/03/2020 21:27

Nicola Sturgeon says "All the things that should be being done are being done."

I actually have a bit more faith in her than some people, but... what things exactly? I'd quite like a list, with completion dates, and all that jazz.

confusedandtired99 · 01/03/2020 21:27

If they start increasing class sizes for children then I think I will be pulling my children out of school... but then I am able to change my working hours to suit me.

housemdwaswrong · 01/03/2020 21:28

@Emptywallet ahh. Yeah. There's me thinking of health etc. Youth may be right.

This worries me though '"The decision as to whether pupils, students and staff fall into this contact group or the closer contact group will be made between the health protection team, the educational setting and (if they are old enough) the student." The educational setting obtainable is senior management, esp in secondary schools. Which means they will decide without knowing any staff's medical conditions. If we were to have a case they don't know that I take immunosupressants. That's that little secret out of the window. I'll send an email tomorrow, but it's a dangerous approach. My school is very goos arty sending emails around if we have chicken pox etc., but it's the first school I've come across that is.

Wehttam · 01/03/2020 21:29

Sirvix, purely speculative but perhaps the recovered aren’t speaking out incase they get reinfected and it sparks fear. Plus this is still very early on, if you’ve just recovered from a hellish experience would you really want to be going on tv or parading in the glossies?

Wunderweb · 01/03/2020 21:29

Anthony Costello over on Twitter has put up his projections/predictions.
I’m worried.

housemdwaswrong · 01/03/2020 21:29

@fedup21 weird. Seems a little counterintuitive to be grouping huge groups of 70 plus children together.

eeehbyegum · 01/03/2020 21:30

As a single parent, what do I do if I need to self-isolate? I’ve been worried about this. I wouldn’t want to knowingly infect my children if they were not infected. But who would care for them?

It’s in my area. I have just given up smoking so know I’m in a risky category. My mums of the category likely to die, so I couldn’t ask her to care for children if I need to isolate incase I’ve also infected them potentially and they pass to her.

YouAreTheEggManIAmTheWalrus · 01/03/2020 21:30

@Deux theres a quote in an Ft article

www.ft.com/content/ed3fb63e-41ce-11ea-bdb5-169ba7be433d

“In some of the most severe cases, there can even be a “cytokine storm” in which the immune system goes into overdrive, overwhelming the body with cells and proteins that destroy other organs.”

I can’t find the Lancet report sorry, it was another poster who quoted it.

fedup21 · 01/03/2020 21:31

The idea that if you have a teacher who is possibly infected, splitting that teacher’s class of children and putting them all into VERY close proximity with a different teacher and another 30-or however many-children, is pretty scary.

bontopia · 01/03/2020 21:31

Here in Switzerland the government say they have no plans for mass school closures because it would put the older relatives who would step in to help with childcare at increased risk of infection.

SirChing · 01/03/2020 21:32

Very late to the thread. People whining about losing money on their holidays are really starting to get on my nerves now. I had someone today adamant they were still going to the US as it was paid for and they won't get q refund. They can't afford to "lose the money". I told them that they place a very low value on their life if they are willing to risk of for a few thousand pounds. Yes it's galling if insurance won't pay out, but as PP said, the money is already spent. It just depends whether a holiday is so important that people will risk their lives for it. It seems crazy to me.

Same with all the hoo ha over kids exams being affected. I get that it's galling and worrying, but some things matter more. Like not spreading this virus round and having people in ICU. Bottom line is that exams can be deferred, sat a year later, grades determined by coursework and predicted grades etc. Whilst the exams are very important, they pale at the side of exacerbating a pandemic which can kill and harm so many.

I do find that this shows that people really do only think about themselves and their families at times like this, not the benefit of wider society.

As for not wanting to move the school holidays because people have holidays booked, if that was deemed necessary, than worries about holidays at that point are massively superficial. Steps to prevent people dying Vs someone's holiday being inconvenienced. It shouldn't even be a consideration. If teachers want to leave because of that, then bye bye to them. NHS staff will no doubt have their leave cancelled, hours increased and work a ton of unpaid overtime. I don't see them whining about it.

Needtobepositive · 01/03/2020 21:33

@Llamallamadingdong how old is your daughter? How long has she been diagnosed? We are fairly newly diagnosed and haven’t had to deal with illness yet. It’s starting to scare me.

ofwarren · 01/03/2020 21:34

3 more #CoronaVirus cases in Israel: 2 of them returned from Italy