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To be worried about Coronavirus part 7

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Jenasaurus · 29/02/2020 08:07

As nearly full on the other one, Ill just leave this here and link to it on the other thread for when its full

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3834698-To-be-worried-about-the-Coronavirus-Part-6?pg=10&messages=100

This video from lovely Dr John Campbell, is very informative and in part reassuring he has suggested a lower CFR of 1% based on the figures he is constantly analysing

Here is a link to Worldometer Map for live updates

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

and here is another link for news sources from BNO News.

bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

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SkyesBackPack · 29/02/2020 21:02

I’m in Haslemere and nothing much seems to have changed at all. The news is to call 111 if you develope symptoms ( I think) it’s not very clear but they say they are spending the weekend doing close contact tracing for the incubation period.

Wehttam · 29/02/2020 21:02

Agreed, Red. That doesn’t sound good at all.

FourTeaFallOut · 29/02/2020 21:03

Its an illness that is not really any worse than influenza, which kills about 10,000 people in the UK each and every year.

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NemophilistRebel · 29/02/2020 21:04

@jasjas1973 that’s my thoughts too

The numbers aren’t high enough for the reaction some governments are actioning

North Korea just shot dead a confirmed case.
That’s going to just make people scared that it’s a death sentence either way

Redpriestandmozart · 29/02/2020 21:04

@ofwarren

1st case of #Coronavirus in #IRELAND

Is there a link for this? There is one case in N Ireland which is counted with UK cases, so is there one in Ireland too?

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 21:05

It's further up the post, the link for Ireland

WaterSheep · 29/02/2020 21:06

1st case of #Coronavirus in #IRELAND

Looking likely we'll have 30 by the end of tomorrow. I'm still watching for the GP confirmation.

NotTerfNorCis · 29/02/2020 21:06

not really any worse than influenza

10 times worse apparently. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/29/worse-than-flu-busting-coronavirus-myths

SansaSnark · 29/02/2020 21:09

People with underlying health conditions and the elderly are usually vaccinated against flu. We also have known, effective treatments for the flu if people need them. There's know effective vaccine for Corvid-19 (and won't be for at least a year) and know known treatments yet, although the testing process on these is shorter and some known anti-virals are showing promising signs in lab testing.

The rate of spread, the death rate and the number of people needing medical help like oxygen are all higher than with the flu.

I'm not saying this to panic people- the number of cases in the UK are still really low, and I think the risks of catching it here are currently still quite low.

However, it's wrong to say this is just like the flu, and not all the people reading/posting in this thread are UK based.

wobblywindows · 29/02/2020 21:09

red raw paws - try glycerine soap. Body shop has 3 for 2 (while stocks last.) They sell other soap too, make sure you get a glycerine soap.

SansaSnark · 29/02/2020 21:11

Also, as a new virus, there's no people with pre-existing immunity in the population.

Clearly shooting someone in N. Korea is a stupid over-reaction. Encouraging people to self-isolate and stopping large international gatherings is not.

Other reactions, like shutting schools, comes somewhere in between the two.

Redpriestandmozart · 29/02/2020 21:11

@ofwarren thanks for that, think the link wasn't up when I posted, I've family going to Dublin early next week, I'm sure their numbers will be no different to UK as so many flights come into Dublin.

NemophilistRebel · 29/02/2020 21:11

Why specifically a glycerin soap?

Twixes · 29/02/2020 21:12

@Redpriestandmozart it's on the journal.ie, they say east coast, no specific town given

ofwarren · 29/02/2020 21:13

There needs to be articles put in the press on on the news and in social media to tell people ITS NOT LIKE THE FUCKING FLU.
Totally pissed off with this rhetoric.
The numbers are MASSIVELY different.

uwas · 29/02/2020 21:14

flu doesn't specifically attack the lungs. it can be caught in the upper respiratory tract.

uwas · 29/02/2020 21:14

asymptomatic people have the virus in their lungs

DominicCummingsForehead · 29/02/2020 21:15

IT IS WAY WORSE THAN THE FLU!!!

There is no immunity. There is no vaccine for the vulnerable. It is more fatal. Just give it time to work it's magic.

NemophilistRebel · 29/02/2020 21:19

I wish someone would tell my colleague that

She doesn’t stop going on about it being no worse than the flu

NotTerfNorCis · 29/02/2020 21:20

If it's no worse than the flu, why do people think the authorities are reacting this way? 'Health and safety gorn mad'?

Blueberryham · 29/02/2020 21:21

I think if it was quoted as fatal for 1 in x this would be better for people to understand than percentages. I am unsure of the actual figures but I think flu is likely something like 1 in 1000. Coronavirus is 1 in 50. This makes it a lot clearer and the media should report it like this

Blueberryham · 29/02/2020 21:22

People just see small percentage number and think oh that’s not many

DonkeyKong2019 · 29/02/2020 21:22

@Blueberryham but then it's just scaremongering ;)

RedToothBrush · 29/02/2020 21:23

Do you remember this story?

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/whistleblower-says-federal-employees-flown-from-coronavirus-sites-didnt-follow-safety-protocols-11582840144?redirect=amp#click=t.co/GRZDV5TKWA" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.wsj.com/articles/whistleblower-says-federal-employees-flown-from-coronavirus-sites-didnt-follow-safety-protocols-11582840144?redirect=amp#click=t.co/GRZDV5TKWA
Whistleblower Says Federal Employees Flown From Coronavirus Sites Didn’t Follow Safety Protocols
Employees weren’t tested for virus before leaving California quarantine sites on commercial flights, complaint says

The employees weren’t tested for the coronavirus before they left two California quarantine sites, the March Air Reserve Base in Riverside and Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield, and flew home, the person familiar with the complaint said. There is no evidence that any of the workers contracted or spread the virus.

Here's another story about it in a little more detail:
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/coronavirus-us-whistleblower.html#click=t.co/3poGwpRIdM" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/coronavirus-us-whistleblower.html#click=t.co/3poGwpRIdM
WASHINGTON — Federal health employees interacted with Americans quarantined for possible exposure to the coronavirus without proper medical training or protective gear, then scattered into the general population, according to a government whistle-blower who lawmakers say faced retaliation for reporting concerns.

The team was “improperly deployed” to two military bases in California to assist the processing of Americans who had been evacuated from coronavirus hot zones in China and elsewhere, according to a portion of a narrative account shared with Congress and obtained by The New York Times ahead of a formal complaint to the Office of the Special Counsel, an independent government agency that handles federal whistle-blower complaints.

Staff members from the Department of Health and Human Services’ Administration for Children and Families were sent to Travis Air Force Base and March Air Reserve Base in late January and early February and were ordered to enter quarantined areas, including a hangar where coronavirus evacuees were being received, the complaint said. They were not provided safety-protocol training until five days into their assignment, said the whistle-blower, who is described as a senior leader at the health agency.

Without proper training or equipment, some of the exposed staff members moved freely around and off the bases, with at least one person staying in a nearby hotel and leaving California on a commercial flight. Many were unaware of the need to test their temperatures three times a day.

“I soon began to field panicked calls from my leadership team and deployed staff members expressing concerns with the lack of H.H.S. communication and coordination, staff being sent into quarantined areas without personal protective equipment, training or experience in managing public health emergencies, safety protocols and the potential danger to both themselves and members of the public they come into contact with,” the whistle-blower wrote. House Democrats said on Thursday that the official who voiced concerns to superiors about the situation was subjected to professional retaliation.

In a statement on Thursday, the Department of Health and Human Services acknowledged the complaint, which was first reported by The Washington Post, without elaborating.

“We take all whistle-blower complaints very seriously and are providing the complainant all appropriate protections under the Whistleblower Protection Act,” said Caitlin B. Oakley, a deputy assistant secretary and a national spokeswoman for the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs. “We are evaluating the complaint and have nothing further to add at this time.”

A former department official who spoke on the condition of anonymity said that two senior officials there who were directly involved with the situation believed the whistle-blower was making the accusations in an effort to protect their job after being told they would be reassigned. The officials involved contended that the teams were not in any danger, the person said, and that testing was not done because none of the personnel showed symptoms of being sick.

The account surfaced as President Trump seeks to play down the danger of a domestic coronavirus outbreak amid bipartisan concern about a sluggish and disjointed response by the administration to an illness that public health officials have said is likely to spread across the United States. The first American case of coronavirus in a patient with no known contact with hot zones or other coronavirus patients emerged this week near Travis Air Force Base.

The complaint raised questions about whether the Trump administration had taken adequate precautions in its handling of the virus, and whether Mr. Trump’s minimization of the risks had been mirrored by other top officials when confronted with potentially disturbing developments.

The workers who were sent to the scene were not medical professionals and usually help low-income Americans returning to the United States from foreign countries during crises.

In a narrative prepared for Congress, the whistle-blower painted a grim portrait of staff members who found themselves suddenly thrust into a federal effort to confront the coronavirus in the United States. The whistle-blower said their own health concerns were dismissed by senior administration officials as detrimental to staff “morale.” They were “admonished,” the complainant said, and “accused of not being team players,” and had their “mental health and emotional stability questioned.”

After a phone call with health agency leaders to raise their fears about exposure to the virus, the staff members described a “whitewashing” of the situation, characterizing the response as “corrupt” and a “cover-up,” according to the narrative, and telling the whistle-blower that senior officials had treated them as a “nuisance” and did not want to hear their worries about health and safety.

It's being linked to this story:

www.sfgate.com/news/medical/amp/New-US-coronavirus-case-may-be-1st-from-unknown-15087548.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Desktop)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&__twitter_impression=true
Vacaville at epicenter of coronavirus mystery

California health officials on Friday confirmed the second case of novel coronavirus in the United States believed to have been transmitted to a person who didn’t travel internationally or come in close contact with anyone who had it.

Health officials in San Jose said the patient was an older adult woman with chronic health conditions who does not have a travel history or any known contact with a traveler or infected person. It comes a day after state officials said a woman hospitalized at UC Davis Medical Center in Sacramento had contracted the illness after no known contact.

And

The California Department of Public Health said Friday that the state will receive enough kits from the CDC to test up to 1,200 people, a day after Gov. Gavin Newsom complained to federal health officials that the state had already exhausted its initial 200 test kits.

And

As infectious disease experts fanned out in the Solano County city of Vacaville, some residents in the city between San Francisco and Sacramento stocked up on supplies amid fears things could get worse despite official reassurances, while others took the news in stride.

The woman in the community who has coronavirus first sought treatment at NorthBay VacaValley Hospital in Vacaville, before her condition worsened and she was transferred to the medical center in Sacramento.

Sacramento County’s top health official told The Sacramento Bee on Friday that he expects several medical workers to test positive themselves in the next few days. Numerous workers at both hospitals have been tested, but the tests were sent to labs approved by the CDC and generally take three to four days to complete.

Now I had no idea where Vacaville is in relation to Travic Air Base. So I took a look:

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