Ireland - wearing black armbands for a game near October 7th?

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So the Irish football team thought it would be some sort of protest to wear black armbands for their recent mat h against Israel and guess what strangely the Israeli team wore black armbands for the victims of the worst terrorist atrocity in their country. So the Irish were left wearing black armbands for victims of the Israeli Gaza conflict but I guess not the victims of October 7th? No wonder the Israeli players were pissed. Ireland then dress and threw the dummy out the pram by saying they shouldn't be playing Israel again......pretty pathetic.

You can also see how for countries like Ireland October 7th is being erased from history as when they went for their black armband protest they probably very stupidly forgot about the proximity of a day of Israeli national mourning.

You said you 'call out genocide'. You don't do you? Just own it. It's only a conflict involving Israel that bothers you.

Ireland has 'called out' the genocide of the Rohingyas at the ICJ and also supports investigations by the International Criminal Court.

Ireland has served continuously as a co-chair for multiple years at the Group of Friends of Action against Conflict and Hunger highlighting the use of starvation as a weapon of war in Sudan. Ireland has used the co-chair role to keep conflict induced hunger on the Security Council agenda since their term on the security council in 2021-2022 where we made conflict and hunger a major priority. Note this interest in conflict and hunger all began before Oct 7 to say that suddenly when it's Israel starving people Ireland have become interested is completely false.

Good to hear one person condemn it.

Please read what I said properly. That’s the second time you have misquoted me.

'Ireland has 'called out' the genocide of the Rohingyas at the ICJ and also supports investigations by the International Criminal Court.'

I was asking the poster, not ireland.

Do you have similar feelings about all the other countries in the Middle East that were newly created in the 20th century?
Jordan, Turkey, Yemen, UAE , Syria, Yemen ?

Millions of displaced people all over Europe ( and in India and Pakistan and Middle East )

The Palestinians are sadly not alone in being displaced. New boundaries were drawn all over Europe. Loads of people were made refugees.

Many areas in the Middle East had thriving Jewish populations but the Jewswere expelled.
Where exactly do you want the Israelis to go given their experience of persecution? And why is it only the newly created Israel that you object to and not the other newly created countries where people were also displaced?

‘Hateful things about Ireland’, are you being serious? Ireland relentlessly accuses England of failing to engage in self examination; yet when one very fair and reasoned criticism of Ireland comes up, you throw a tantrum and say it’s ‘hateful’.

Ireland is not so special that they’re beyond reproach.

It does seem that way.

Saying hateful things about Israelis and Oct 7th (unfortunate) are apparently ok .

The band is back together

Way to avoid the subject.

Which subject?

The fact Ireland is not beyond reproach and criticising the stance of the public is not ‘hateful’. In the same way I presume you think all criticism of the English is fair and not hateful.

Nobody on this thread can stick to the topic.

Why do you keep mentioning the English? It’s weird.

Because usually it’s very much the other way round. Don’t pretend you don’t get it, it discredits you.

@AgeingMillennial
What was the fair and very reasoned criticism?
Genuine question.
I’m sure there were reasonable criticisms, but they’ve been rather lost among all the shouting and ridiculous accusations.

Do you mean the OP?

If so, my understanding was the black armbands worn by the Irish players were ‘in recognition of all lives lost in the conflict’. That’s what was reported in papers here, quoting the Football Association Ireland (FAI).

In Ireland the government tends to act on the feelings of the people. We don't do the whole oh, that's just the government that we voted in doing those dreadful things, nothing to do with us at all thing that some countries do. We hold our government to account and for the most part the government acts in line with the wishes and feelings of the people. If they don't we let them know about it.

Using hunger as a weapon of war is something that disgusts most of us and that is reflected in the government that we voted in and how they act. This is what we do, we vote for governments that are against conflict and forced starvation and their policies and actions represent us.

That is what democracy is supposed to be about, it reflects the collective will of its citizens and Ireland ranks among the strongest and most stable liberal democracies in the world.

The criticism is that Ireland, in their rush to be ‘anti genocide’ and ‘best pal of every oppressed person in the world’, have either inadvertently or purposefully ended up with a very high number of aggressive antisemites.

Kneecap have relentlessly criticised the Irish government over their handling of Palestine.

Yes, you are allowed to do that in Ireland, it's a democracy. Criticism is welcomed.

Then why is our criticism being called ‘hateful’?

Ireland has a huge antisemitism problem. It considers itself too special and moral to ever be infected with bigotry, so is blind to it. But one day it won’t be.

Do you live here?
I do, and, genuinely, that is not what I see.
I’m not being blinkered or oblivious either.

I’m not sure if it was you but someone linked an rte article upthread. Please read it. It does not show anti-semitic feeling by the majority of Irish people.

Things get screwed up online and people rush to judgment with very little knowledge of what they’re talking about.

This thread is like that. It’s upsetting to see.

Well you think very highly of yourselves. Which is no bad thing.
But maybe some of the criticism of Ireland is valid. When Irish posters on here say October 7 was “unfortunate” it does suggest that support of Palestine has gone too far.

It seems to me that there is another underlying reason for the responses on this thread.