Has the West been taken in by Hamas’ lies and anti Israeli narrative?

[OpheliaWasntMad]

https://nypost.com/2026/09/21/opinion/journalist-admits-anti-israel-narrative-driving-protests-is-based-on-hamas-lies/

This journalist admits that his reporting from Gaza was not accurate because he was afraid of retaliation from Hamas.
Why have so many believed every report from Gaza journalists?

Why are you attending weekly marches I. london when you have such strong pro Israeli views?

I thought everyone knew Sinwar’s goal with October 7th was to force Israel into a massive retaliation that would ultimately play into Hamas’ desire to paint Israel as the evil ones.
Yes I think Netanyahu has been stupid in his response which played into Hamas’ hands but I’m not sure what the best response would be.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-goal-october-7-attack-israel-gaza-war-2023-11

www.timesofisrael.com/burn-towns-slaughter-broadcast-2022-sinwar-memo-said-to-detail-hamas-plan-for-oct-7/

Well, in line of talking about propaganda, I would say most people saying the chant believe the propaganda that it is a metaphor for Palestinians being free in the West Bank (of the river Jordan) to Gaza (coast of Mediterranean Sea) by having their own state free of occupation by Israel.

So we cannot assume everyone repeating an antisemitic chant is aware that it is also code for destroying Israel as the Hamas propaganda says it’s a call for equality, freedom and a Palestinian state.

It’s a great example of how insidious propaganda is and how good people can be fooled by it.

I didn’t say I attended the marches. I live and work in London .I SEE them .
I’ve possibly seen more than you’ve attended as they’ve occurred on a weekly basis here. I’ve sat beside the protesters in the tube. I’ve seen the placards. I’ve heard the chants.

That’s true.

Agree. Ben Gvir in his election campaign is talking about "selling Palestinians" to neighbouring countries and push for Palestinians to leave the West Bank. How? Well in his words:

The more you allow soldiers to shoot and use force, the less manpower you need.”

“I will remove the restrictions on our soldiers. Today, the police rules of engagement are much more lenient than those of the army,” he added.

Ben Gvir also criticised Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, saying the premier had “not want[ed] it enough” when it came to advancing a policy of Palestinian displacement.

These are the words of the current Israeli security minister. It is blatantly clear who is facing an existential threat to its existence and life itself.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/entire-land-ours-ben-gvir-escalates-calls-annexation-occupied-west-bank

It is an echo chamber. There is no point in bothering. The difference that I noticed with those who sympathise greatly with Palestine, they also acknowledge and sympathise with the suffering of the Jewish people on October 7th.
A lot of people who support Israel believe that the Palestinians deserve this, they don’t have a place there. It is unliveable now, the people won’t have much choice but to leave the land.
I personally think this will increase the anti Israel problems as so far it has increased anti Israel hate.

Absolutely agree.

As I said Israel should be studied for the absolute masterpiece in getting people all over the world to support them as they murder and pillage.
I genuinely cannot understand that blind support.

Just to add - I don’t have “strong pro Israeli views” and I don’t have blind support for Israel and I despise Netanyahu’s government.
But I despise Hamas more and I think they have brought the suffering to Gaza and have been let off the hook.

Perhaps if you attended an actual march rather than seeing people on the tube (I'm nowhere near London so can't comment on that) and listened to the speakers , many of whom were Palestinian and seen the children, old people, young professionals who all just want death and destruction to stop you might see the bigger picture.

You can say it's about Hamas but right at this moment the biggest threat to Palestinian people (like the mothers and daughters over the past couple of days) is Israel.

I haven’t just sat beside people on the tube.
I don’t know where you live but you seem to think you know what happens in London better than I do.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/holocaust-memorial-hyde-park-covered-palestine-march-5HjchtQ_2/

You said about sitting beside people on the tube that's why I replied to that.
I also said I can't comment on London because I don't live near there so your second sarky comment was unnecessary.

I'll leave it there if you can't discuss in good faith.

That's the opposite to what I have observed. I don't see those who sympathise greatly with Palestine also showing a lot of sympathy for the suffering of the Jewish people on October 7th.

I don't think we've seen that on this thread or on most threads tbh.

The echo chamber I see is that Israel is almost exclusively talked about in negative ways by the "pro Palestinians" on MN, and their suffering on October 7th & the aftermath rarely acknowledged.

I guess we see what we want to see in a disagreement.

Exactly everyone sees what they want to see (or what they want to be true)

Well you could prove me wrong by pointing to all the posts I must have missed of posters who aren't on the pro Israel "side" showing a lot of sympathy for the suffering of the Jewish people on October 7th.

Agreed. I did say above that many Israelis agree with the statement. There is radicalisation on both sides.

I can't say that I've ever seen a pro Israel poster here say anything positive about Palestine. I don't think I saw a single positive reaction from a pro Israel poster here to Palestine being finally recognised by the British government. The consensus seemed to be that 'it wasn't the time' yet the same people will snaffle on about Israels 'right to exist'.

Can anyone point me to all of the non negative posts about Palestine from pro Israel posters here because I will happily be corrected.

I asked first.

I will go to the trouble of digging out posts where I have said things that are positive about Palestinians after @EmeraldShamrock000 goes to the trouble of doing what I asked first, which is providing evidence for her claim that The difference that I noticed with those who sympathise greatly with Palestine, they also acknowledge and sympathise with the suffering of the Jewish people on October 7th.

My reply was I don't think we've seen that on this thread or on most threads tbh.

Laughable isn't it. Unfortunately no laughing reaction anymore.

😂

'As I said hamas should be studied for the absolute masterpiece in getting people all over the world to support them as they murder and pillage'

Fixed that for you.