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Conflict in the Middle East

Hamas to disarm.....

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mids2019 · 31/07/2026 05:28

Have Hamas seen sense and realised there is little hope for their death cult? Is this is a significant moment towards peace?

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RedTagAlan · 04/08/2026 16:39

JadeHare · 04/08/2026 16:34

All a bit depressing really.

And Trump wrote a book about the art of the deal.

BelleHathor · 04/08/2026 17:07

RedTagAlan · 04/08/2026 16:39

And Trump wrote a book about the art of the deal.

More like the art of the ego (his) stroke.

Twiglets1 · 04/08/2026 19:52

The Guardian: Netanyahu said Israeli forces will not withdraw from their current lines in Gaza until Hamas has completely disarmed.

In remarks on social media, Netanyahu suggested there were differences between Israel and the Trump administration over a recent deal announced to disarm the militant group.

The agreement called for Hamas to begin disarming and for Israel to halt its strikes and begin withdrawing from Gaza. It was part of an October ceasefire agreement that ended major military operations but has stalled on other fronts.

Netanyahu said that disarmament should come first, and that Israeli forces would continue to “do whatever is necessary to protect themselves, our territory, and our citizens.”

He added the Trump administration “sent us a draft. We did not agree. It is not our draft. We sent our comments.

“This is our position. We stand firm on our interests, I believe both wisely and resolutely.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/aug/04/middle-east-crisis-qatar-iran-us-israel-war-donald-trump-strait-hormuz-gaza-latest-news-updates

dairydebris · 04/08/2026 20:03

All eyes on the election 27 Oct... well mine at least.

Twiglets1 · 04/08/2026 20:16

dairydebris · 04/08/2026 20:03

All eyes on the election 27 Oct... well mine at least.

Will be interesting. I don't fancy his chances, especially with those 2 nut jobs Smotrich and Ben-Gvir in his corner.

GentleSheep · 04/08/2026 21:15

RedTagAlan · 04/08/2026 16:39

And Trump wrote a book about the art of the deal.

Clearly he never tested it out on jihadists.

RedTagAlan · 05/08/2026 04:54

GentleSheep · 04/08/2026 21:15

Clearly he never tested it out on jihadists.

You mean like Trumps own MOU that he went back on ?

Anyhow, "The art of the deal" did not work out for Americans either when he tried it on them.

""Judge Curiel's order finalizing the $25 million Trump University settlement means that victims of Donald Trump's fraudulent university will finally receive the relief they deserve," he said in a statement, adding that the amount surpassed the initial number the class-action suit initially negotiated."

Judge finalizes $25 million settlement for 'victims of Donald Trump's fraudulent university' - ABC News

Basically, it was pay to go to Trumps "University" and learn the art of the deal. That was a scam. $25 million is small change compared to the scams he is running now of course.

And lets not forget, " the art of the deal" man was convicted on 34 counts of fraud. He is a convicted fraudster.

Here is what Tony Schwartz, the guy who actually wrote the book, said -

"President Trump's former ghostwriter says writing "The Art of the Deal" is the biggest regret of his life and wishes the 1987 bestseller "weren't even in print."
"I knew this was a bad guy when I did the book," Tony Schwartz told CBS News chief Washington correspondent Major Garrett for this week's episode of "The Takeout" podcast. The pair sat down for lunch at New York's ViceVersa restaurant.
"Trump is not only willing to lie, but he doesn't get bothered by it, doesn't feel guilty about it, isn't preoccupied by it," Schwartz said. "There's an emptiness inside Trump. There's an absence of a soul. There's an absence of a heart.""

Tony Schwartz, Trump's ghostwriter, says writing "The Art of the Deal" is the greatest regret of his life - CBS News

Re his telling lies, we just need to see his latest "Golf Championship win" from last week. It will be a struggle to find anyone who says he did not cheat to get a 2 under par round. And there is also the matter of him apparently not being able to tell the truth about anything. Just read ANY of his speech transcripts.

Judge finalizes $25 million settlement for 'victims of Donald Trump's fraudulent university'

Trump University attendees are getting paid back.

https://abcnews.com/US/judge-finalizes-25-million-settlement-victims-donald-trumps/story?id=54347237

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2026 07:01

I presume that Gentle Sheep meant actual jihadists, Red.

GentleSheep · 05/08/2026 07:47

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2026 07:01

I presume that Gentle Sheep meant actual jihadists, Red.

Indeed I did!

RedTagAlan · 05/08/2026 09:20

GentleSheep · 05/08/2026 07:47

Indeed I did!

And is it Jihadists who are making the deal on the Iranian side ?

I mean it technically maybe is given that Iran is an Islamic theocracy. So any war against them will technically be a "holy war".

But you need help me a bit here, and paste what the definition of Jihad is. The word is totally blocked for me.

dairydebris · 05/08/2026 09:31

RedTagAlan · 05/08/2026 09:20

And is it Jihadists who are making the deal on the Iranian side ?

I mean it technically maybe is given that Iran is an Islamic theocracy. So any war against them will technically be a "holy war".

But you need help me a bit here, and paste what the definition of Jihad is. The word is totally blocked for me.

With your many long, well informed posts and clear interest in religious extremism Alan, you expect us to believe you have no working definition of Jihad?
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Twiglets1 · 05/08/2026 09:35

dairydebris · 05/08/2026 09:31

With your many long, well informed posts and clear interest in religious extremism Alan, you expect us to believe you have no working definition of Jihad?
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He thinks we're all gullible.

He's probably living in Scotland and laughing at people falling for his MN persona.

Twiglets1 · 05/08/2026 09:44

To help out Alan, in Arabic, the word means "effort" or "struggle".

According to the BBC, Jihadists share the basic aims of advancing Islam and countering danger to it, but their priorities can vary:

Changing the social and political organisation of the state.

Establishing sovereignty on a territory perceived as occupied or dominated by non-Muslims.

Defending the umma from external - non-Muslim - threats.

Correcting other Muslims' moral behaviour.

Intimidating and marginalising other Muslim sects.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30411519

RedTagAlan · 05/08/2026 09:53

dairydebris · 05/08/2026 09:31

With your many long, well informed posts and clear interest in religious extremism Alan, you expect us to believe you have no working definition of Jihad?
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The word is pretty much blocked on my internet. Ahh wait. I fiddled a bit with how it is searched.

"jihad, in Islam, a meritorious struggle or effort. The exact meaning of the term jihād depends on context; it has often been erroneously translated in the West as “holy war.” Jihad, particularly in the religious and ethical realm, primarily refers to the human struggle to promote what is right and to prevent what is wrong."

So I was wrong. A meritorious struggle. Not a holy war.

Jihad | Meaning, Examples, & Use in the Quran | Britannica

dairydebris · 05/08/2026 10:04

RedTagAlan · 05/08/2026 09:53

The word is pretty much blocked on my internet. Ahh wait. I fiddled a bit with how it is searched.

"jihad, in Islam, a meritorious struggle or effort. The exact meaning of the term jihād depends on context; it has often been erroneously translated in the West as “holy war.” Jihad, particularly in the religious and ethical realm, primarily refers to the human struggle to promote what is right and to prevent what is wrong."

So I was wrong. A meritorious struggle. Not a holy war.

Jihad | Meaning, Examples, & Use in the Quran | Britannica

Glad you were able to figure out how to use the internet to search words up from whichever place you're from... Britannica eh? Jolly good!

I think we all knew what Gentle meant.

RedTagAlan · 05/08/2026 10:10

dairydebris · 05/08/2026 09:31

With your many long, well informed posts and clear interest in religious extremism Alan, you expect us to believe you have no working definition of Jihad?
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Have a look my screengrab below. . If I search for jihad definition on its own I just get rubbish. Put jihad like this - and get attached.

You gotta fiddle things. Try different terms etc. Eventually you might get there. It seems to depend on how the censors phrase it.

It can take a while and a fair bit of effort. Some thing .... forget it.

Hamas to disarm.....
RedTagAlan · 05/08/2026 10:27

dairydebris · 05/08/2026 10:04

Glad you were able to figure out how to use the internet to search words up from whichever place you're from... Britannica eh? Jolly good!

I think we all knew what Gentle meant.

I didn't. And I don't.

What does gentle mean ?

Sometimes I do need things explained to me like I was a 6 year old. After all, you have seen, according to you,, that I have been able to figure out how the internet works. That is suggestive that I have "just figured it out".

And Brittanica ? Yeah. I have a beer in the evening with the internet censors after they come off work, and they explain it all to me. What words they pick, what phrases etc.

Let me really really wrack my brains here, and try to figure out why some countries, for whatever reason, might block the word "jihad" from the web.

JadeHare · 05/08/2026 10:27

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RedTagAlan · 05/08/2026 10:31

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Who me ?

I was just basically accused of being a liar, by a couple of posters.

JadeHare · 05/08/2026 10:31

RedTagAlan · 05/08/2026 10:31

Who me ?

I was just basically accused of being a liar, by a couple of posters.

No! The other posters.

GentleSheep · 05/08/2026 10:34

dairydebris · 05/08/2026 10:04

Glad you were able to figure out how to use the internet to search words up from whichever place you're from... Britannica eh? Jolly good!

I think we all knew what Gentle meant.

To be fair my comment was rather tongue-in-cheek!

dairydebris · 05/08/2026 10:35

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I know you mean me Jade. If you're interested to know, I always report Holocaust Inversion as I cannot abide it. The rest I prefer to leave to stand so everyone can see it. I never report personal attacks or antisemitism apart from HI as I prefer it to be out there.
Also cannot stand BS but I'm sure you feel the same about me.
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GentleSheep · 05/08/2026 10:37

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JadeHare · 05/08/2026 10:37

dairydebris · 05/08/2026 10:35

I know you mean me Jade. If you're interested to know, I always report Holocaust Inversion as I cannot abide it. The rest I prefer to leave to stand so everyone can see it. I never report personal attacks or antisemitism apart from HI as I prefer it to be out there.
Also cannot stand BS but I'm sure you feel the same about me.
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Not aware that I do BS. Can’t stand it either. You were less on my radar. However, from now on….

dairydebris · 05/08/2026 10:44

JadeHare · 05/08/2026 10:37

Not aware that I do BS. Can’t stand it either. You were less on my radar. However, from now on….

I didn't say you do BS. On the contrary I find your posts quite open about your beliefs.

But Alan suggesting he doesn't know what Jihad is? I've read enough of his posts and interests to know for sure that he'll have opinions on it. Suggesting because he's not able to look up the term from wherever he's posting- so he doesn't know what the term means-is stretching our credulity... quite a bit.