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Conflict in the Middle East

Discussion of the 26 June Gaza protest calling for self-rule

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dairydebris · 26/06/2026 12:28

This is a thread for us to discuss the planned June 26 protest by Gazan Palestinians- the aim of which is to pressure Hamas to honour the ceasefire agreement and allow Gazans self rule.

Brave people who take part.

Watching and wishing them safety and hoping they can suceed.

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RedTagAlan · 29/06/2026 10:44

A reminder of what Netanyahu says about 2 states:

'There will be no Palestinian state': Netanyahu signs plan for E1 settlement expansion | The Times of Israel

Granted, this is about the West Bank and not Gaza. It was the first result. Here is another result from the same page.

Netanyahu responds: There will be no Palestinian state, we will respond soon | Israel National News

Netanyahu responds: There will be no Palestinian state, we will respond soon
PM Netanyahu blasted the UK, Australia, and Canada for recognizing a Palestinian state, vowing it 'will not be created west of the Jordan' and pledging to strengthen Judea and Samaria.

Not a Chicken and egg. Because look :

What to know about Hamas again raising the possibility of a 2-state compromise | AP News

The Palestinian militant group Hamas has said for more than 15 years that it could accept a two-state compromise with Israel — at least, a temporary one. But Hamas has also refused to say that it would recognize Israel or renounce its armed fight against it.

On Hamas refusing to say if they would stop the fighting, well, I expect their membership and support would dwindle. Because as I said above, remove the cause and the number of fighters reduce,

For sure, there will always be a core of Hamas wanting to destroy Israel no matter what. But how many would there be with 2 states? History strongly suggests not many at all.

As @Martymcfly24 says, and I hope they don't mind me quoting:

"Poor and angry people with no hope support radical solutions. "

That statement, on the truth to untruth scale sits very firmly on the "very true" line. It's as true as the sun will rise tomorrow.

Israel National News

Netanyahu responds: There will be no Palestinian state, we will respond soon

PM Netanyahu blasted the UK, Australia, and Canada for recognizing a Palestinian state, vowing it 'will not be created west of the Jordan' and pledging to strengthen Judea and Samaria.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/415289

ENGLANDalltheway · 29/06/2026 10:53

Twiglets1 · 29/06/2026 10:24

It’s chicken and egg because there won’t be 2 states while Hamas are there but Hamas won’t leave because there aren’t 2 states.

Which means I can see it never moving forward. Or perhaps it’s better to say, not for the foreseeable future.

Hamas have been offered 2 states before and turned it down.

Twiglets1 · 29/06/2026 11:07

ENGLANDalltheway · 29/06/2026 10:53

Hamas have been offered 2 states before and turned it down.

I know.

Neither side want it at the moment. Netanyahu won’t be in power forever so the stance may change on the Israel side but will it ever change on the Hamas side?

Twiglets1 · 30/06/2026 16:43

Protests, revolution in Strip cannot succeed while Hamas remains in control, Gazans tell 'Post'

“No one can imagine the level of fear and intimidation Hamas has instilled in people’s hearts since its foundation in 1987,” said one Palestinian from Gaza City.

“People are simply too afraid to protest, even now after all what they’ve been through,” he told The Jerusalem Post. “This is because Hamas is still here, controlling people’s lives, and nobody can say a word,” he said.

There was widespread anticipation about whether the demonstrations, set for 4 p.m., would attract local residents, but it soon became clear that the June 26 protest failed, as almost no one showed up.

“It ended in failure because there was a lot of pressure on people to keep silent,” said the Gaza resident, speaking anonymously, out of fear of reprisal. “Anyone who even considered joining the rallies refrained from doing so, as participants were labeled traitors and agents of anarchy.”

“It’s very hard to explain the scale of the security, political and social control that Hamas asserts,” he noted. “For example, social and trade associations, such as the chamber of commerce and the industry unions, are in one way or another operating under Hamas’s oversight and are subject to its authority. That means they cannot say or do what they want,” he charged.

The protest movement, described as the "June 26 revolution," was organized mainly by social and political activists, social media influencers, and some Palestinian journalists living abroad, most of them based in Egypt. It was launched primarily through social media platforms, with frequent announcements, posts, and videos criticizing Hamas’s rule and urging Gazans to go out and voice opposition to the grave humanitarian conditions and continued Hamas control.

The anti-Hamas campaign leaders encouraged Gazans in the Strip to demand their rights, insisting that “change will come from the people themselves.” A prominent figure pushing the protest, Abed al-Hamid Abed al-Ati, told the Post in an interview prior to June 26 that “the aim was to give hope to Gazans and show them a path to dignity and normal life, as no one else is stepping in.”

Hamas closely monitored the activists’ plans and, from the outset, sought to suppress the movement. Some protest organizers received messages from Hamas conveyed through their family members in the Strip, demanding that they withdraw from the campaign. Other relatives were threatened with death, Palestinian sources said.

Hamas also made extensive efforts to curb the "June 26 campaign" through public denunciations and shaming of the movement and its supporters. The terror group accused protest leaders and activists of being backed by Israel, a claim they denied, and worked to discredit them in the media.

Another factor that some Palestinians argue contributed to the protest’s failure was the reaction to the campaign in Israel ahead of Friday’s events. One Palestinian figure involved in organizing the protest explained to the Post that when Israeli media outlets and public figures began to circulate the campaign messages and endorse the idea promoted by it, with some even encouraging Gazans to rise up against Hamas, it did more harm than good.

He said that it helped Hamas embolden its narrative that “the protest is pushed by the Zionist enemy that wants to destroy Gaza and the Palestinian people.”

Another Palestinian resident mentioned the video posted by the Israeli Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter, a day before the planned demonstration, noting, “He (the minister) believes his words were against Hamas, but unfortunately, his message served Hamas.”

Dichter, who formerly served as head of the Shin Bet, addressed the people in Gaza in Arabic, encouraging them to protest Hamas’s regime. “You are in the worst situation ever. How much longer will this gang of thugs from Hamas control you?” Dichter said in the video. “The fear of them has paralyzed you, even from thinking. Wake up- take responsibility for your life and your children’s future.”

The Palestinian resident argued that this gave Hamas a pretext to further delegitimize the protest movement by portraying it as an Israeli-backed effort to undermine the Palestinian cause. “Anyone who responds to a call coming from the Israeli side is seen as committing treason, even if the action serves our own interests. That’s the way of thinking,” he explained.

In addition, a legal Islamic ruling, amounting to a fatwa, was issued as a means of intimidation to prevent the rallies. An organization calling itself "Palestine Scholars Authority," based in Turkey, released an announcement, stating “it is forbidden for believers to call for or participate in it.” The ruling described the protest as “a criminal act of betrayal of Allah and an assistance to the occupation and its goals.”

www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-900920

dairydebris · 30/06/2026 18:01

Twiglets1 · 30/06/2026 16:43

Protests, revolution in Strip cannot succeed while Hamas remains in control, Gazans tell 'Post'

“No one can imagine the level of fear and intimidation Hamas has instilled in people’s hearts since its foundation in 1987,” said one Palestinian from Gaza City.

“People are simply too afraid to protest, even now after all what they’ve been through,” he told The Jerusalem Post. “This is because Hamas is still here, controlling people’s lives, and nobody can say a word,” he said.

There was widespread anticipation about whether the demonstrations, set for 4 p.m., would attract local residents, but it soon became clear that the June 26 protest failed, as almost no one showed up.

“It ended in failure because there was a lot of pressure on people to keep silent,” said the Gaza resident, speaking anonymously, out of fear of reprisal. “Anyone who even considered joining the rallies refrained from doing so, as participants were labeled traitors and agents of anarchy.”

“It’s very hard to explain the scale of the security, political and social control that Hamas asserts,” he noted. “For example, social and trade associations, such as the chamber of commerce and the industry unions, are in one way or another operating under Hamas’s oversight and are subject to its authority. That means they cannot say or do what they want,” he charged.

The protest movement, described as the "June 26 revolution," was organized mainly by social and political activists, social media influencers, and some Palestinian journalists living abroad, most of them based in Egypt. It was launched primarily through social media platforms, with frequent announcements, posts, and videos criticizing Hamas’s rule and urging Gazans to go out and voice opposition to the grave humanitarian conditions and continued Hamas control.

The anti-Hamas campaign leaders encouraged Gazans in the Strip to demand their rights, insisting that “change will come from the people themselves.” A prominent figure pushing the protest, Abed al-Hamid Abed al-Ati, told the Post in an interview prior to June 26 that “the aim was to give hope to Gazans and show them a path to dignity and normal life, as no one else is stepping in.”

Hamas closely monitored the activists’ plans and, from the outset, sought to suppress the movement. Some protest organizers received messages from Hamas conveyed through their family members in the Strip, demanding that they withdraw from the campaign. Other relatives were threatened with death, Palestinian sources said.

Hamas also made extensive efforts to curb the "June 26 campaign" through public denunciations and shaming of the movement and its supporters. The terror group accused protest leaders and activists of being backed by Israel, a claim they denied, and worked to discredit them in the media.

Another factor that some Palestinians argue contributed to the protest’s failure was the reaction to the campaign in Israel ahead of Friday’s events. One Palestinian figure involved in organizing the protest explained to the Post that when Israeli media outlets and public figures began to circulate the campaign messages and endorse the idea promoted by it, with some even encouraging Gazans to rise up against Hamas, it did more harm than good.

He said that it helped Hamas embolden its narrative that “the protest is pushed by the Zionist enemy that wants to destroy Gaza and the Palestinian people.”

Another Palestinian resident mentioned the video posted by the Israeli Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter, a day before the planned demonstration, noting, “He (the minister) believes his words were against Hamas, but unfortunately, his message served Hamas.”

Dichter, who formerly served as head of the Shin Bet, addressed the people in Gaza in Arabic, encouraging them to protest Hamas’s regime. “You are in the worst situation ever. How much longer will this gang of thugs from Hamas control you?” Dichter said in the video. “The fear of them has paralyzed you, even from thinking. Wake up- take responsibility for your life and your children’s future.”

The Palestinian resident argued that this gave Hamas a pretext to further delegitimize the protest movement by portraying it as an Israeli-backed effort to undermine the Palestinian cause. “Anyone who responds to a call coming from the Israeli side is seen as committing treason, even if the action serves our own interests. That’s the way of thinking,” he explained.

In addition, a legal Islamic ruling, amounting to a fatwa, was issued as a means of intimidation to prevent the rallies. An organization calling itself "Palestine Scholars Authority," based in Turkey, released an announcement, stating “it is forbidden for believers to call for or participate in it.” The ruling described the protest as “a criminal act of betrayal of Allah and an assistance to the occupation and its goals.”

www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-900920

Thanks Twigs- I'd given up on this.
Depressing update with yet more attempting to use Palestinians for whatever agenda both parties are attempting to push.
Xx

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Twiglets1 · 30/06/2026 18:56

dairydebris · 30/06/2026 18:01

Thanks Twigs- I'd given up on this.
Depressing update with yet more attempting to use Palestinians for whatever agenda both parties are attempting to push.
Xx

That's ok x

I thought you would be interested even though it isn't positive but still, it does throw some light on the subject.

ENGLANDalltheway · 05/07/2026 15:12

Twiglets1 · 30/06/2026 16:43

Protests, revolution in Strip cannot succeed while Hamas remains in control, Gazans tell 'Post'

“No one can imagine the level of fear and intimidation Hamas has instilled in people’s hearts since its foundation in 1987,” said one Palestinian from Gaza City.

“People are simply too afraid to protest, even now after all what they’ve been through,” he told The Jerusalem Post. “This is because Hamas is still here, controlling people’s lives, and nobody can say a word,” he said.

There was widespread anticipation about whether the demonstrations, set for 4 p.m., would attract local residents, but it soon became clear that the June 26 protest failed, as almost no one showed up.

“It ended in failure because there was a lot of pressure on people to keep silent,” said the Gaza resident, speaking anonymously, out of fear of reprisal. “Anyone who even considered joining the rallies refrained from doing so, as participants were labeled traitors and agents of anarchy.”

“It’s very hard to explain the scale of the security, political and social control that Hamas asserts,” he noted. “For example, social and trade associations, such as the chamber of commerce and the industry unions, are in one way or another operating under Hamas’s oversight and are subject to its authority. That means they cannot say or do what they want,” he charged.

The protest movement, described as the "June 26 revolution," was organized mainly by social and political activists, social media influencers, and some Palestinian journalists living abroad, most of them based in Egypt. It was launched primarily through social media platforms, with frequent announcements, posts, and videos criticizing Hamas’s rule and urging Gazans to go out and voice opposition to the grave humanitarian conditions and continued Hamas control.

The anti-Hamas campaign leaders encouraged Gazans in the Strip to demand their rights, insisting that “change will come from the people themselves.” A prominent figure pushing the protest, Abed al-Hamid Abed al-Ati, told the Post in an interview prior to June 26 that “the aim was to give hope to Gazans and show them a path to dignity and normal life, as no one else is stepping in.”

Hamas closely monitored the activists’ plans and, from the outset, sought to suppress the movement. Some protest organizers received messages from Hamas conveyed through their family members in the Strip, demanding that they withdraw from the campaign. Other relatives were threatened with death, Palestinian sources said.

Hamas also made extensive efforts to curb the "June 26 campaign" through public denunciations and shaming of the movement and its supporters. The terror group accused protest leaders and activists of being backed by Israel, a claim they denied, and worked to discredit them in the media.

Another factor that some Palestinians argue contributed to the protest’s failure was the reaction to the campaign in Israel ahead of Friday’s events. One Palestinian figure involved in organizing the protest explained to the Post that when Israeli media outlets and public figures began to circulate the campaign messages and endorse the idea promoted by it, with some even encouraging Gazans to rise up against Hamas, it did more harm than good.

He said that it helped Hamas embolden its narrative that “the protest is pushed by the Zionist enemy that wants to destroy Gaza and the Palestinian people.”

Another Palestinian resident mentioned the video posted by the Israeli Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter, a day before the planned demonstration, noting, “He (the minister) believes his words were against Hamas, but unfortunately, his message served Hamas.”

Dichter, who formerly served as head of the Shin Bet, addressed the people in Gaza in Arabic, encouraging them to protest Hamas’s regime. “You are in the worst situation ever. How much longer will this gang of thugs from Hamas control you?” Dichter said in the video. “The fear of them has paralyzed you, even from thinking. Wake up- take responsibility for your life and your children’s future.”

The Palestinian resident argued that this gave Hamas a pretext to further delegitimize the protest movement by portraying it as an Israeli-backed effort to undermine the Palestinian cause. “Anyone who responds to a call coming from the Israeli side is seen as committing treason, even if the action serves our own interests. That’s the way of thinking,” he explained.

In addition, a legal Islamic ruling, amounting to a fatwa, was issued as a means of intimidation to prevent the rallies. An organization calling itself "Palestine Scholars Authority," based in Turkey, released an announcement, stating “it is forbidden for believers to call for or participate in it.” The ruling described the protest as “a criminal act of betrayal of Allah and an assistance to the occupation and its goals.”

www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-900920

Interesting.

Shame that people away from Gaza don't protest more for Hamas to go. The situation will just continue then, with hardly any improvement.

Martymcfly24 · 05/07/2026 15:19

ENGLANDalltheway · 05/07/2026 15:12

Interesting.

Shame that people away from Gaza don't protest more for Hamas to go. The situation will just continue then, with hardly any improvement.

How do you think that would look practically?

Do you think Hamas would care about people protesting in a foreign country against them?

Twiglets1 · 05/07/2026 15:55

Martymcfly24 · 05/07/2026 15:19

How do you think that would look practically?

Do you think Hamas would care about people protesting in a foreign country against them?

The irony ... plenty of people think that pro Palestinian protests will help the situation in Gaza, despite it seems to have achieved fuck all.

Yet when the potential people protesting in a foreign country are anti Hamas rather than anti the Israel government you suddenly see that it's pretty pointless.

Martymcfly24 · 05/07/2026 16:47

Twiglets1 · 05/07/2026 15:55

The irony ... plenty of people think that pro Palestinian protests will help the situation in Gaza, despite it seems to have achieved fuck all.

Yet when the potential people protesting in a foreign country are anti Hamas rather than anti the Israel government you suddenly see that it's pretty pointless.

Who said it was pointless?

Twiglets1 · 05/07/2026 16:58

Martymcfly24 · 05/07/2026 16:47

Who said it was pointless?

You said Do you think Hamas would care about people protesting in a foreign country against them?

No - and neither do I think the Israel government care about people protesting in a foreign country against them.

Martymcfly24 · 05/07/2026 17:22

Twiglets1 · 05/07/2026 16:58

You said Do you think Hamas would care about people protesting in a foreign country against them?

No - and neither do I think the Israel government care about people protesting in a foreign country against them.

I most certainly did not. I asked a question in the spirit of discussion to see what that poster thought.
Hence the question mark.

Please stop putting words in my mouth to prove a point or shut down discussion.
Its very tiresome @Twiglets1 .

And there is no need to bring Israel into every discussion.

Twiglets1 · 05/07/2026 17:32

Martymcfly24 · 05/07/2026 17:22

I most certainly did not. I asked a question in the spirit of discussion to see what that poster thought.
Hence the question mark.

Please stop putting words in my mouth to prove a point or shut down discussion.
Its very tiresome @Twiglets1 .

And there is no need to bring Israel into every discussion.

Pure semantics. It was obvious you were doubting that Hamas would care about people protesting in a foreign country against them or why even ask the question if you assumed Hamas would care.

And how exactly is it shutting down discussion? I'm discussing it with you now - whether Hamas would care about people protesting in a foreign country against them. My opinion is No they wouldn't. Do you think they would?

dairydebris · 05/07/2026 19:21

I think they would care. I think they love to see people chanting their slogans in the street, and I think they love to know hatred of Israel is growing, and I think they know it leads to more income streams. I don't think they'd be pleased to see the opposite taking place on streets anywhere tbh.

I don't think it'd actually encourage them to fuck off though.

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Twiglets1 · 05/07/2026 20:09

dairydebris · 05/07/2026 19:21

I think they would care. I think they love to see people chanting their slogans in the street, and I think they love to know hatred of Israel is growing, and I think they know it leads to more income streams. I don't think they'd be pleased to see the opposite taking place on streets anywhere tbh.

I don't think it'd actually encourage them to fuck off though.

The question was whether Hamas would care about people protesting in a foreign country against them.

Maybe you're right that they would care a little bit (though I doubt it). Not so much that it would encourage them to fuck off, as you say. Nothing seems to encourage them to do that!

dairydebris · 05/07/2026 20:26

Twiglets1 · 05/07/2026 20:09

The question was whether Hamas would care about people protesting in a foreign country against them.

Maybe you're right that they would care a little bit (though I doubt it). Not so much that it would encourage them to fuck off, as you say. Nothing seems to encourage them to do that!

I guess if 22k dead children of your own people isn't enough then a few mumsnetters and students going for a noisy walk isn't going to prompt much action.
Still doesn't really explain to me why no one bothers anyway...

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Twiglets1 · 05/07/2026 20:45

dairydebris · 05/07/2026 20:26

I guess if 22k dead children of your own people isn't enough then a few mumsnetters and students going for a noisy walk isn't going to prompt much action.
Still doesn't really explain to me why no one bothers anyway...

It's a strange one.

ENGLANDalltheway · 06/07/2026 19:49

Martymcfly24 · 05/07/2026 15:19

How do you think that would look practically?

Do you think Hamas would care about people protesting in a foreign country against them?

Who knows since no one ever protests against Hamas. Maybe protesters should give it a try. Nothing to lose. Personally, I feel the lack of condemnation, eg when the reports of mass rapes were released, might help Hamas think, they have support from some in the West. The silence at times was deafening.

ENGLANDalltheway · 06/07/2026 19:54

dairydebris · 05/07/2026 19:21

I think they would care. I think they love to see people chanting their slogans in the street, and I think they love to know hatred of Israel is growing, and I think they know it leads to more income streams. I don't think they'd be pleased to see the opposite taking place on streets anywhere tbh.

I don't think it'd actually encourage them to fuck off though.

I agree with, I think on some level they care.

ENGLANDalltheway · 06/07/2026 19:56

dairydebris · 05/07/2026 20:26

I guess if 22k dead children of your own people isn't enough then a few mumsnetters and students going for a noisy walk isn't going to prompt much action.
Still doesn't really explain to me why no one bothers anyway...

I don't actually think Hamas care about their own people dying.

Twiglets1 · 06/07/2026 20:05

ENGLANDalltheway · 06/07/2026 19:56

I don't actually think Hamas care about their own people dying.

It seems obvious they do not. And zero condemnation about them not caring.

JadeHare · 06/07/2026 20:38

Twiglets1 · 06/07/2026 20:05

It seems obvious they do not. And zero condemnation about them not caring.

Zero condemnation from whom? Just to be clear.

JadeHare · 06/07/2026 20:44

I mean, to quote you from much earlier on, on this thread, “No one is accusing anyone of supporting Hamas”. So who is supposed to be the condemning of Hamas not caring for it’s own people?

Twiglets1 · 06/07/2026 20:45

JadeHare · 06/07/2026 20:38

Zero condemnation from whom? Just to be clear.

From protestors in the UK.

JadeHare · 06/07/2026 21:06

Surely you’re not suggesting that every single protester on those marches are just there because they are anti-semitic? How would you like them to protest against Hamas? Have you been anywhere near any of these marches? I doubt it, so how exactly do you know what individual people on these marches are protesting about? Or are you just making wild assumptions?