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Conflict in the Middle East

Concerns about Israeli plans for Gaza and Palestinian displacement

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JadeHare · 28/05/2026 17:16

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/28/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-military-70-percent-gaza-intl

Doesn’t look like there will be much land left for the Palestinians.

And in other news, from the Guardian:

“Israel’s defence minister has said he is committed to the ethnic cleansing of Gaza through large-scale migration of Palestinians as part of Israel’s long-term plans for the territory.
Israel Katz said the government would implement a plan for large numbers of Palestinians to leave Gaza “at the right time and in the right manner”, in a statement on Wednesday marking the targeted killing of Mohammed Odeh, Hamas’s most recent military commander.
Pushing for mass departures violates Donald Trump’s ceasefire plan for Gaza, which Israel signed last year. The second point of the plan states: “Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.”
Israel’s government has promoted the prospect of Gaza without Palestinians since Trump suggested early last year that hundreds of thousands of people should leave to “clean out” the strip for reconstruction.
Last year Israel set up a bureau for “voluntary emigration” and eased travel restrictions for Palestinians who wanted to make a one-way journey out of the strip.
The forced transfer of civilian populations is a war crime and a crime against humanity. Israeli officials, including Katz, use the term “voluntary migration” to describe their ”

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“Israel’s defence minister says large-scale Palestinian migration from Gaza will go ahead”
Emma Graham-Harrison
The Guardian
https://apple.news/AnnlpJqlOTdW5cUbA9NEe1Q
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Israeli PM Netanyahu says he directed the military to take over 70% of Gaza | CNN

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday that he had directed Israel’s military to take over 70% of Gaza’s territory.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/28/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-military-70-percent-gaza-intl

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DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 20:34

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 19:10

Do you honestly think any of that will work the way you want it to?

If people want to do something useful they could picket the Iranian Embassy and protest about Iran bankrolling Hamas.

Hamas is committed to the anihilation of the State of Israel.

https://isgap.org/flashpoint/what-hamas-leaders-actually-want-in-their-own-words/

I think everything could help and thanks for reposting it

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 20:41

Trackstar · 18/07/2026 20:24

When you view this with the full knowledge of what he and his army have done and continue to do in Gaza it is just horrifying. That's before you add the further context of Israel aiding their civillians in the West Bank to terrorise innocent people out of their homes and steal the land there. The Israelis governments intent is clear, they even drew a diagram for those who might need a little extra help and presented it with a smirk.

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The West Bank is "disputed territory".

It remains central to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The Palestinians consider it the heart of their envisaged state, along with the Gaza Strip.

While the State of Israel was established on 15 May 1948 and admitted to the United Nations, a Palestinian State was not established. The remaining territories of pre-1948 Palestine, the West Bank - including East Jerusalem- and Gaza Strip, were administered from 1948 till 1967 by Jordan and Egypt, respectively.

The modern territory emerged after the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s establishment. Upon the departure of the British occupying forces in May 1948 and the proclamation of the State of Israel, the armies of five Arab countries attacked Israel.

Jordan occupied and then annexed the territory after that war.
In 1967, Israel occupied the West Bank and other territories after a war with neighboring Arab states. (The Yom Kippur War)
For religious Jews, the territory was the heart of what they deemed a divinely promised homeland.
Most Israelis still refer to it by the biblical names of Judea and Samaria.

DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 20:47

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 20:41

The West Bank is "disputed territory".

It remains central to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The Palestinians consider it the heart of their envisaged state, along with the Gaza Strip.

While the State of Israel was established on 15 May 1948 and admitted to the United Nations, a Palestinian State was not established. The remaining territories of pre-1948 Palestine, the West Bank - including East Jerusalem- and Gaza Strip, were administered from 1948 till 1967 by Jordan and Egypt, respectively.

The modern territory emerged after the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s establishment. Upon the departure of the British occupying forces in May 1948 and the proclamation of the State of Israel, the armies of five Arab countries attacked Israel.

Jordan occupied and then annexed the territory after that war.
In 1967, Israel occupied the West Bank and other territories after a war with neighboring Arab states. (The Yom Kippur War)
For religious Jews, the territory was the heart of what they deemed a divinely promised homeland.
Most Israelis still refer to it by the biblical names of Judea and Samaria.

.The International Consensus:

The vast majority of the international community, the United Nations, and international law consider the West Bank to be occupied territory, with Israel as the occupying power.

This status dictates that the territory is subject to the Fourth Geneva Convention, which regulates the protection of civilians and prohibits an occupying power from transferring its civilian population into the territory.

The Israeli Position: Israeli authorities officially refer to the territory as disputed, rather than occupied. This position is based on the argument that the territory did not belong to a recognized sovereign state prior to Israel taking control of it from Jordan in the 1967 Six-Day War. The region is also frequently referred to by its historical names, Judaea and Samaria, in Israeli administrative contexts.

Palestinian Perspectives: Palestinians and their supporters maintain that the land is unequivocally Palestinian and should form the core of an independent state, viewing Israel's control and civilian settlements as illegal. They contend that the term "disputed" is used to downplay their indigenous claims and international law.

this has been discussed to death on numerous threads

The Israeli Governments plans were made clear
To take the land of Palestinians

Hence this thread to discuss the state of Palestinians life and lands at the hands of Israel

Trackstar · 18/07/2026 20:50

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 20:41

The West Bank is "disputed territory".

It remains central to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The Palestinians consider it the heart of their envisaged state, along with the Gaza Strip.

While the State of Israel was established on 15 May 1948 and admitted to the United Nations, a Palestinian State was not established. The remaining territories of pre-1948 Palestine, the West Bank - including East Jerusalem- and Gaza Strip, were administered from 1948 till 1967 by Jordan and Egypt, respectively.

The modern territory emerged after the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s establishment. Upon the departure of the British occupying forces in May 1948 and the proclamation of the State of Israel, the armies of five Arab countries attacked Israel.

Jordan occupied and then annexed the territory after that war.
In 1967, Israel occupied the West Bank and other territories after a war with neighboring Arab states. (The Yom Kippur War)
For religious Jews, the territory was the heart of what they deemed a divinely promised homeland.
Most Israelis still refer to it by the biblical names of Judea and Samaria.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled on July 19, 2024 that the West Bank is illegally occupied.

Israel, the court found, should return land and other property seized since the occupation began in 1967. It should also evacuate all settlers, allow all Palestinians displaced during the occupation to return to their original place of residence, and compensate everyone who suffered material damage as a result of Israel’s unlawful acts during the occupation.

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 20:58

The world keeps hearing about “Palestine,” as if there was once a sovereign Arab nation that was conquered, colonized, or stolen. But here’s the undeniable truth: there has never been a sovereign Arab country called Palestine. Not in ancient times, not under Islam, not under the Ottomans, and not before 1948.
The name Palestine has a long history but it was always a geographic term, never a national one. It referred to a region, not a country. To understand the power of this historical distortion, we must go back to where it began.

From Judea to “Syria Palaestina” and Rome’s Act of Erasure
After crushing the Jewish Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE, the Roman Emperor Hadrian sought to erase the Jewish identity of the Land of Israel. He banned Jewish practice, destroyed Jerusalem, and renamed both the city (Aelia Capitolina) and the land itself calling it Syria Palaestina.”
This was not the birth of an Arab Palestine; it was the deliberate Roman attempt to erase “Judea.” The name “Palestina” came from the ancient Philistines, long extinct by then. There was no “Palestinian people” in the modern sense just a Roman label imposed on a conquered land.

Empires Came and Went, But Never a Palestinian State
Over the next 1,800 years, the region was ruled by a long line of empires:

  • Byzantine (Christian Roman)
  • Arab Caliphates (Umayyad, Abbasid)
  • Crusaders
  • Mamluks
  • Ottoman Turks
  • British Empire
In every era, “Palestine” was a province, district, or region, never an independent political entity. There were no kings or parliaments of Palestine, no Palestinian currency, no embassies, no borders, no treaties signed by a Palestinian ruler. When the Ottoman Empire ruled from 1517 to 1917, the area we now call Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank was divided among three administrative regions (sanjaks) within Greater Syria. The word “Palestine” was barely used at all.

In fact, most local Arabs identified as Syrians, Muslims, or members of tribal clans, not as “Palestinians.” The very idea of a “Palestinian national identity” was virtually unknown.
The British Mandate: When the Name Returned
After World War I, the League of Nations awarded Britain the Mandate for Palestine (1920–1948). This was the first time in centuries the term “Palestine” was used officially again and ironically, it referred to a territory meant to become the Jewish national home, as promised in the Balfour Declaration (1917).

During this time, Jews proudly called themselves “Palestinians.”
There were Jewish institutions like the Palestine Electric Company, the Palestine Symphony Orchestra, and the Palestine Post (now the Jerusalem Post).

In contrast, the Arab population rejected the name “Palestine.”
Prominent Arab leaders demanded that the region be reunited with* Syria or Jordan.*
One of them, Awni Abd al-Hadi, testified before the British Peel Commission in 1937:-
“There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.”

Let that sink in. The same Arab leadership that now claims a historical “State of Palestine” openly denied its existence less than a century ago.

DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 21:05

Further worrying escalations and attacks on Palestinians

An Israeli air strike on a post belonging to Gaza's Hamas-run police force has killed at least seven people, including a senior officer and a woman, health and police officials say.
Witnesses told the BBC that an Israeli drone fired four missiles at the post near a busy market in the Jabalia area of northern Gaza.
The Palestinian territory's Hamas-run interior ministry said the head of the local police station, Col Mohammed Marwan Salem, and several other officers were among those killed in what it condemned as a "massacre".

Trackstar · 18/07/2026 21:07

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 20:58

The world keeps hearing about “Palestine,” as if there was once a sovereign Arab nation that was conquered, colonized, or stolen. But here’s the undeniable truth: there has never been a sovereign Arab country called Palestine. Not in ancient times, not under Islam, not under the Ottomans, and not before 1948.
The name Palestine has a long history but it was always a geographic term, never a national one. It referred to a region, not a country. To understand the power of this historical distortion, we must go back to where it began.

From Judea to “Syria Palaestina” and Rome’s Act of Erasure
After crushing the Jewish Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE, the Roman Emperor Hadrian sought to erase the Jewish identity of the Land of Israel. He banned Jewish practice, destroyed Jerusalem, and renamed both the city (Aelia Capitolina) and the land itself calling it Syria Palaestina.”
This was not the birth of an Arab Palestine; it was the deliberate Roman attempt to erase “Judea.” The name “Palestina” came from the ancient Philistines, long extinct by then. There was no “Palestinian people” in the modern sense just a Roman label imposed on a conquered land.

Empires Came and Went, But Never a Palestinian State
Over the next 1,800 years, the region was ruled by a long line of empires:

  • Byzantine (Christian Roman)
  • Arab Caliphates (Umayyad, Abbasid)
  • Crusaders
  • Mamluks
  • Ottoman Turks
  • British Empire
In every era, “Palestine” was a province, district, or region, never an independent political entity. There were no kings or parliaments of Palestine, no Palestinian currency, no embassies, no borders, no treaties signed by a Palestinian ruler. When the Ottoman Empire ruled from 1517 to 1917, the area we now call Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank was divided among three administrative regions (sanjaks) within Greater Syria. The word “Palestine” was barely used at all.

In fact, most local Arabs identified as Syrians, Muslims, or members of tribal clans, not as “Palestinians.” The very idea of a “Palestinian national identity” was virtually unknown.
The British Mandate: When the Name Returned
After World War I, the League of Nations awarded Britain the Mandate for Palestine (1920–1948). This was the first time in centuries the term “Palestine” was used officially again and ironically, it referred to a territory meant to become the Jewish national home, as promised in the Balfour Declaration (1917).

During this time, Jews proudly called themselves “Palestinians.”
There were Jewish institutions like the Palestine Electric Company, the Palestine Symphony Orchestra, and the Palestine Post (now the Jerusalem Post).

In contrast, the Arab population rejected the name “Palestine.”
Prominent Arab leaders demanded that the region be reunited with* Syria or Jordan.*
One of them, Awni Abd al-Hadi, testified before the British Peel Commission in 1937:-
“There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.”

Let that sink in. The same Arab leadership that now claims a historical “State of Palestine” openly denied its existence less than a century ago.

Blah, blah blah, ancient history, blah, blah. We are talking about now, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled on July 19, 2024 that the West Bank is illegally occupied and that they should Israel should vacate and compensate their victims.

Twiglets1 · 18/07/2026 21:08

DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 20:27

Trying to steer clear of derailing this thread which is about
Israel’s actions in Gaza
but worth noting

Biased reporting

.The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) explicitly defines itself as a pro-Israel organization that advocates for a "secure, Jewish and democratic State of Israel".

However, whether this constitutes a "bias" is a subject of intense debate, with perspectives divided based on differing views regarding criticism of Israel and antisemitism. 1, 2, 3, 4]

Arguments that the ADL is biased toward Israel come from critics, including progressive Jewish organizations and human rights groups, who argue that the ADL conflates legitimate criticism of Israeli government policies and anti-Zionism with antisemitism. Critics claim the ADL has weaponized accusations of antisemitism to suppress pro-Palestinian activism and silence defenders of Palestinian rights. 1, 2, 3]

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I knew someone would accuse me of derailing the thread! Despite @UltraCynica changed the subject first by talking about a funeral. And I could have guessed you would seek to discredit the source I used.

I could write the lines for you at this stage. But you know what, you can discredit the source all you like. It is direct quotes from Hamas leaders about what they would like to do to Jews.

Such as praying for the “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews and for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”

Then there's the Hamas desire for total war” with Israel ... and they will not be able to live without electricity, water, and communications.”

Then there's the vow to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel.

Not very nice is it? But sure, let's focus on discrediting who is repeating the words rather than reflect for a minute on who spoke the words and the evil intent behind them.

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:09

@DrPrunesqualer The Palestinian territory's Hamas-run interior ministry said the head of the local police station, Col Mohammed Marwan Salem, and several other officers were among those killed in what it condemned as a "massacre".

Are we really expected to take what a bunch of terrorists say, seriously ?

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:12

Trackstar · 18/07/2026 21:07

Blah, blah blah, ancient history, blah, blah. We are talking about now, the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled on July 19, 2024 that the West Bank is illegally occupied and that they should Israel should vacate and compensate their victims.

The ICJ has no enforcement mechanism. It is just a toothless talking shop.

DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 21:21

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:09

@DrPrunesqualer The Palestinian territory's Hamas-run interior ministry said the head of the local police station, Col Mohammed Marwan Salem, and several other officers were among those killed in what it condemned as a "massacre".

Are we really expected to take what a bunch of terrorists say, seriously ?

For fear of sounding patronising as I don’t want it to sound like that
but the same group have reported all through this war and
are accepted because
well
Israel won’t let reporters in
the bbc et all etc etc are reporting via their information and if there are deaths or injuries attacks are confirmed by hospitals

Heres Ynet

Meanwhile
I Agree. Let what’s left of the Independent Journalists back in to
Gaza

Concerns about Israeli plans for Gaza and Palestinian displacement
sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:26

DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 21:21

For fear of sounding patronising as I don’t want it to sound like that
but the same group have reported all through this war and
are accepted because
well
Israel won’t let reporters in
the bbc et all etc etc are reporting via their information and if there are deaths or injuries attacks are confirmed by hospitals

Heres Ynet

Meanwhile
I Agree. Let what’s left of the Independent Journalists back in to
Gaza

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DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 21:28

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:12

The ICJ has no enforcement mechanism. It is just a toothless talking shop.

Which is a shame
If only they had an army but

Despite lacking traditional enforcement, ICJ rulings carry immense legal and political weight. They make rulings "real" through: 1, 2, 3]

  • Global Reputation and Legitimacy: States care deeply about their standing in the global community. Being found in violation of international law can lead to diplomatic isolation, reputational damage, and loss of foreign investment. 1, 2, 3, 4]
  • International Law "Erga Omnes": Many legal experts argue that ICJ compliance is an obligation owed to the entire international community. This allows third-party countries (outside the direct dispute) to apply pressure, such as through economic sanctions or diplomatic countermeasures. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Precedent and International Order:

Even when immediate enforcement fails, ICJ rulings definitively establish what the law is. This shapes international treaties, informs national courts, and builds the framework of international

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Yup - when you believe everything Hamas and the IRGC tell you, it’s time to question your credibility.

They are the worst people - terrorists- why does anyone believe a word they say (looking at you BBC amongst others).

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:40

DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 21:28

Which is a shame
If only they had an army but

Despite lacking traditional enforcement, ICJ rulings carry immense legal and political weight. They make rulings "real" through: 1, 2, 3]

  • Global Reputation and Legitimacy: States care deeply about their standing in the global community. Being found in violation of international law can lead to diplomatic isolation, reputational damage, and loss of foreign investment. 1, 2, 3, 4]
  • International Law "Erga Omnes": Many legal experts argue that ICJ compliance is an obligation owed to the entire international community. This allows third-party countries (outside the direct dispute) to apply pressure, such as through economic sanctions or diplomatic countermeasures. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Precedent and International Order:

Even when immediate enforcement fails, ICJ rulings definitively establish what the law is. This shapes international treaties, informs national courts, and builds the framework of international

The UN Charter designates the Security Council as the body empowered to enforce ICJ judgments when States fail to comply, but it has never taken such action and most likely never will.

Like I said a toothless "talking shop"

DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 21:40

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:26

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It’s not like the attacks aren’t across nearly all news outlets
Im not doing all the homework for you

The attack happened

Hospitals confirmed deaths and casualties.
If you don’t like those that report email Netanyahu and ask for Independent reporters back into Gaza with an absolute confirmation of their safety

We don’t want to add more journalists to the approx 220 Israel has already killed now do we

Trackstar · 18/07/2026 21:41

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:12

The ICJ has no enforcement mechanism. It is just a toothless talking shop.

Not like Israel who are gnashing their teeth all over the place? Over 1000 Palestinians including 100s of children killed in the West Bank since Oct 7. Over 100,000 hectares of land stolen from Palestinians by Israeli settlers. At least 25 Beduin communities completely displaced due to Israeli violence since 2024 many, many more communities left partially displaced and living in terror daily. We are all very aware of the 'mechanisms' Israel have in place.

The 'toothless' ICJ on the other hand doesn't go around killing, terrorising and displacing people, it operates on the principles of International law.

Which one do you think should be respected? From your posts in which you seem to refuse to acknowledge the ICJs findings it would seem that you think Israel?

DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 21:42

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:40

The UN Charter designates the Security Council as the body empowered to enforce ICJ judgments when States fail to comply, but it has never taken such action and most likely never will.

Like I said a toothless "talking shop"

The ICC and ICJ have administrative powers over different entities
organisations
and individuals
Already discussed on this thread if you RTT

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:43

Trackstar · 18/07/2026 21:41

Not like Israel who are gnashing their teeth all over the place? Over 1000 Palestinians including 100s of children killed in the West Bank since Oct 7. Over 100,000 hectares of land stolen from Palestinians by Israeli settlers. At least 25 Beduin communities completely displaced due to Israeli violence since 2024 many, many more communities left partially displaced and living in terror daily. We are all very aware of the 'mechanisms' Israel have in place.

The 'toothless' ICJ on the other hand doesn't go around killing, terrorising and displacing people, it operates on the principles of International law.

Which one do you think should be respected? From your posts in which you seem to refuse to acknowledge the ICJs findings it would seem that you think Israel?

What are you talking about ?

DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 21:44

Trackstar · 18/07/2026 21:41

Not like Israel who are gnashing their teeth all over the place? Over 1000 Palestinians including 100s of children killed in the West Bank since Oct 7. Over 100,000 hectares of land stolen from Palestinians by Israeli settlers. At least 25 Beduin communities completely displaced due to Israeli violence since 2024 many, many more communities left partially displaced and living in terror daily. We are all very aware of the 'mechanisms' Israel have in place.

The 'toothless' ICJ on the other hand doesn't go around killing, terrorising and displacing people, it operates on the principles of International law.

Which one do you think should be respected? From your posts in which you seem to refuse to acknowledge the ICJs findings it would seem that you think Israel?

Agree
Although I’m thinking 🤔
last page here

When we could actually be discussing the thread subject
but I suppose I expected no less

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:45

@DrPrunesqualer "administrative powers"

What does that mean?

I have "administrative powers" over my staff but I hardly think that's comparable.

DrPrunesqualer · 18/07/2026 21:48

.The Not-So-Secret Israeli Plan for Gaza: Never Leaving
Until Israel is compelled to relinquish its military control over Gaza, everything else you see or are told will be nothing but political theater.

RAMZY BAROUD
Jul 17, 2026Common Dreams

Here is the bottom line: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has no intention of leaving Gaza, either before Israel’s general elections—likely to be held in October—or after. Conceding an inch from the roughly 70 percent of the territory his army currently occupies in Gaza will be considered a weakness by the majority of Israeli voters and would result in an open revolt within his extremist coalition.
He has made his intentions clear time and again. Recent statements by Israel’s political leadership have only reinforced that reality, with officials insisting that Israel must maintain indefinite military dominance over the Strip and explicitly rejecting any framework that requires a full withdrawal of troops. To Netanyahu, the military footprint in Gaza is a permanent fixture, not a temporary bargaining chip

Trackstar · 18/07/2026 21:48

sunshinesuzey · 18/07/2026 21:43

What are you talking about ?

Really? That's what you have to say? No long winded essays harking back to the time of cavemen to justify why Israel should be above International law 🙄

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