Concerns about Israeli plans for Gaza and Palestinian displacement

[JadeHare]

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/28/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-military-70-percent-gaza-intl

Doesn’t look like there will be much land left for the Palestinians.

And in other news, from the Guardian:

“Israel’s defence minister has said he is committed to the ethnic cleansing of Gaza through large-scale migration of Palestinians as part of Israel’s long-term plans for the territory.
Israel Katz said the government would implement a plan for large numbers of Palestinians to leave Gaza “at the right time and in the right manner”, in a statement on Wednesday marking the targeted killing of Mohammed Odeh, Hamas’s most recent military commander.
Pushing for mass departures violates Donald Trump’s ceasefire plan for Gaza, which Israel signed last year. The second point of the plan states: “Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.”
Israel’s government has promoted the prospect of Gaza without Palestinians since Trump suggested early last year that hundreds of thousands of people should leave to “clean out” the strip for reconstruction.
Last year Israel set up a bureau for “voluntary emigration” and eased travel restrictions for Palestinians who wanted to make a one-way journey out of the strip.
The forced transfer of civilian populations is a war crime and a crime against humanity. Israeli officials, including Katz, use the term “voluntary migration” to describe their ”

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I know you know Gaza would still be standing and full of Gazans going about their lives if it wasn't for October 7th.

You just can't admit it out loud because it legitimizes at least some of your very vocal criticism of Israel.

It's a shame because its actually very possible to hold the 2 parts in mind. Hamas fucked Palestinians over hugely on October 7. And if Gaza is ever cleansed of Palestinians then it will be a huge crime against humanity that will haunt Israel forever.

Like I said, huge self own.

Ethnically cleanse a whole country acceptable! Because of October 7th, and but Hammas….

Got it.

Do you support Hamas? It is illegal to do so in the UK.

Genocide is determined by genocidal ‘intent’. The UK government does not believe it is a genocide.

It’s a nasty war, started by Hamas. Perhaps you should consider visiting the Nova exhibition in London and leave your social media bubble for a while.

And when there are no Palestinians left in Palestine, will Israel self own that? Probably.

Where on earth in any of my posts have I said I support Hamas? What is it with pro Israelis and their poor reading skills and vivid imaginations?

That wasn't what I said though. October 7th doesn't justify ethnic cleansing, of course it doesn't. My point is only that all of this is happening as a consequence of what Hamas did that day. If they hadn't done it, many would still be alive and the IDF wouldn't be in Gaza at all. If you ask anyone on the street they'll know that. Of course most will say Israel has gone too far and ethnic cleansing is unforgivable. The two are not mutually exclusive. The same as Hamas went too far on 7 October. Consequences have actions. Admitting that isnt the same as justifying it.

It's as if you're arguing with what you think i said rather than what I actually said. It's quite tedious.

See above.

I'm Jewish and a few weeks in to Israel's response to October 7th I was saying to friends that I predicted Netanyahu would bomb Gaza and maybe other places flat, then claim 'Oh there's no one there now so we'll take it'

You have made snarky remarks about October 7th. Will you be going to the Nova exhibition?

I know you know Gaza would still be standing and full of Gazans going about their lives if it wasn't for October 7th.
Nothing in the decades prior to it or what's happening in the west Bank and Gaza now convince me that Israel would not have proceeded this way eventually. Netanyahu's maps prior to Oct 7th highlight that. I don't think they would have gone this far if it wasn't part of a plan already.

Trouble is this sentence Hamas fucked Palestinians over hugely on October 7. Justifies this Gaza is ever cleansed of Palestinians then it will be a huge crime against humanity because you're effectively saying one was always going to lead to the other when in fact that shouldn't be the case.

Unfortunately not. I live thousands of miles away.

For the final time... I am not justifying it. It would be a great evil. I'm in total agreement with you there.

Still happening because of what Hamas did.

You can think of it as inviting a murderer into your house if you want. It doesnt justify that person murdering your kid. But you'd be stupid to invite them in, and your child would die as a direct consequence.

Is that you Dawn French?

Not Dawn French then. You just sound dismissive like her.

The exhibition will be travelling around. Perhaps see if it’s going to your country. If you can stomach it.

I very much doubt it will come to the country where I live. Sorry.

You know what, I am genuinely passed caring. Why oh why are we so obsessed with Israel and Gaza? (Don’t bother answering, I do know the answer.). Shit goes on around the world every day with folk, usually women and children, suffering and dying. We cannot sort it all out. We cannot sort any of it out. All the aggressive marches in London with people shouting in people’s faces. People standing for Parliament and local councils on the Gaza issue. Has it done any good at all? Not a jot. Trump will Trump, Bibi will Bibi. The world will turn.

I genuinely DO NOT CARE. Ce sera sera.

Oh, why would that be?

What about if you’d been responsible for funding that murderer?

Infinite amount of ifs.

Well you cared enough to post that you don't care. Why even bother? Thankfully not everyone shrugs their shoulders and says Ce sera sera to human suffering

Why does it justify it? I'm agreeing with you. Honestly I'm not sure if you're reading my posts.

Nothing justifys removing innocent Palestinians from their land. Just like nothing justifies October 7. I'm agreeing with you. Both are / would be a great evil. I wouldn't justify the ethnic cleansing of Gaza in the same way that I'm sure you wouldn't say the occupation justifies October 7.

I'm just saying, if Hamas hadn't done it, this war wouldn't have happened, many would still be alive, and this cleansing wouldn't be able to go ahead ( even though its currently a potential cleansing so maybe we should wait a bit, but I expect and respect you'll disagree with me there ).

You know it's possible to blame Hamas for the war while still strongly criticizing Israel's conduct of it?

Hey @JadeHare you must be telling the truth in your op because we are talking about October 7th again.

Why does this matter? Not relevant to what is going on.

How about more people support this?

The expansion of Israeli military operations in south Lebanon is “completely unacceptable” Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Albares has said.
“Israel must accept that the other countries have exactly the same right that Israel has to have their own state and to have a state in peace and security,” Mr Albares said at a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Cyprus.
“Israel has a right to have its state peacefully and in security, but the Palestinian people, the Lebanese people, have exactly the same right.”

That's fine it's just a fairly strange point to be hammering home when we are discussing the ethnic cleansing of a population.....

Each to their own I guess.

strongly criticizing Israel's conduct of it?
Fighting words there!

??? I mean this is silly isnt it?

Youve got my analogy mixed up. Israel is the murderer. Hamas, with October 7, invited Israel in. Hamas knew their children would be killed. The murderer is still guilty of murder. The responsibility for the murder is squarely on the murderer- but it still happened as a direct consequence of inviting said murderer into your home. It's still a self own by the inviter isn't it. A consequence bought about by one's own actions.

I agree infinite amount of if's.

The 'if' I am currently tackling here is-

'If only October 7th hadn't happened'.

Well you won't be surprised to know I typed out more robust wording then deleted and rewrote.