US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

[JadeHare]

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

So that’s that with the ceasefire negotiations then ?

Just like Netanyahu wants.

The talk in America as discussed by geopolitical experts like former CIA analyst Larry Johnson and Alaistair Crooke is that Miriam Adelson ($200 million donor to Trump) is no longer supporting Netanyahu and has communicated such to Trump.

Furthermore there are moves in Israel to dissolve the Knesset and hold elections which means jail for Netanyahu if he loses. To stay "free" escalation is his only path.

So we are back to the Strait of Homuz being closed, indefinitely it seems

Trump got America in this mess and he cannot get them out of it.

It seems that way. And now reports of a cargo ship being hit in the Gulf.

But Netanyahu got his flags on a Crusades era castle. And Trump has his fight thing in the WH garden to deal with. As well as his 250 year birthday party that looks like it will be a political rally because most of the acts have pulled out.

He is just too busy to make any deals.

“I think we’ve been talking too much, if you want to know the truth. I think going silent would be very good,”

Guess who just said that ?

Meanwhile, Iran says it will attack Israel if it strikes Beirut.

A new TRUTH from the phone of Trump attached below.

Bit of a play on words. I was under the impression it was airstrikes the Netanyahu had ordered on Beirut, not a ground invasion.

Very confusing as is his statement that he spoke to Hezbollah. When did he start doing that ???

He also said negotiations with Iran were going at pace but Iran said earlier today they were suspending talks due to Israel’s continued attacks on Lebanon.

It’s Constant spin by Trump then

and what of Israel’s forced evacuation order.
Has that been revoked by Israel. Can the hundreds of thousands told to get out by Israel go home now
because It seems this is not the case.

From AlJazeera:

According to Axios, citing two US officials and a third source briefed on the call between the two leaders, Trump called Netanyahu “crazy” and accused him of ingratitude, and it was the president who was responsible for putting the “brakes on Israel’s plan to strike Beirut”.
Among the milder language the president is reported to have used in his call, Trump said: “Everybody hates you now. Everybody hates Israel because of this,” according to Axios, citing a US official.

Times of Israel amongst the outlets reporting that Trump thanks Netanyahu for agreeing to call off a “major raid” of Beirut.

“I had a conversation with Bibi Netanyahu today, asking him not to go into a major raid of Beirut, Lebanon. He turned his Troops around. Thank you Bibi!” Trump writes on Truth Social.

Israeli military sources have said no troops were actually en route to Beirut, contrary to Trump’s claim.

“I also had a conversation with representatives of the leaders of Hezbollah, and they agreed to stop shooting at Israel, and its soldiers,” Trump adds, without specifying to whom he spoke.

“Likewise, Israel agreed to stop shooting at them. Let’s see how long that lasts — Hopefully it will be for ETERNITY!” Trump writes.

In the hours since Trump announced the ceasefire, Hezbollah has targeted Israeli troops in southern Lebanon, setting off sirens in northern Israel, and the IDF has reportedly carried out airstrikes in Lebanon.

Trump’s post again doesn’t go as far as to specify that Israel agreed to hold off striking anywhere beyond Beirut, though Hezbollah has claimed the ceasefire covers the entire country.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-june-02-2026/

Well if that is true there is no reason for Israel to stay in Lebanon. They should pull out and pay reparations for all the damage they have done. Of course everyone knows there is no way that is going to happen. The only way Israel will give up stolen land is if they are driven out.

From the Independent:

“Mr Trump is said to have yelled at Mr Netanyahu over the phone, calling him “f crazy”, Axios reported late on Monday, citing two unnamed US officials familiar with the call.
"You're f crazy. You'd be in prison if it weren't for me. I'm saving your ass. Everybody hates you now. Everybody hates Israel because of this,” Mr Trump said, according to a US official’s summary of the remarks.
Another source who briefed Axios about the call said Mr Trump was "pissed" and at one point yelled at Mr Netanyahu: "What the f* are you doing?"”

Excerpt From
“Trump says ‘crazy’ Netanyahu has made everyone hate Israel in furious phone call – report”
Shweta Sharma
The Independent
https://apple.news/AcAWJcuZUSn-GQHZZF2r6JA
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In the hours since Trump announced the ceasefire, Hezbollah has targeted Israeli troops in southern Lebanon, setting off sirens in northern Israel, and the IDF has reportedly carried out airstrikes in Lebanon.

So it doesn't look as if either side is willing to stop attacking the other.

Only one side is illegally occupying the Sovreign territory of the other side.

And sticking flags in it. While boasting about sticking flags in it,

I saw the vids on CNN of the IDF heroically capturing that castle. Running past the bins and benches that have been put there for the tourists. It is a tourist site after all. UNESCO at that.

Then I read about Netanyahu saying how great it was to see the flags flying.

What I did not see was any dug in enemy forces. Or rocket launchers.

It's a moot point anyway. Even if Hezbollah were to unilaterally disarm, Israel will never leave Lebanon voluntarily. They will dress it up as a security buffer zone and then in a couple of years will start moving settlers in. How do we know this? Simple, it's exactly what they did after the 1967 land grab war they started. The end goal is always going to be the Greater Israel project.

I saw that video, absolutely performative, it's fodder for the Israeli public to give the illusion that the IDF is "winning".

Netanyahu is losing popularity due to how disastrously the offensive is going, there have been a lot of IDF casualties and Merkava tank losses.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-security/2026-04-01/ty-article/.premium/idf-is-stretched-to-breaking-point-faces-a-familiar-deadly-stalemate-in-lebanon/0000019d-4566-d759-ab9d-7dfff06c0000

What I did not see was any dug in enemy forces. Or rocket launchers.
Hezbollah have adapted their fighting methods, they have been provided and are using FPV (First Person View) drones to successfully target IDF forces. That means that there is no longer a need for close fighting.

and now there are increasing rumours that Iran's Nuclear stance has likely changed per former CIA analyst Larry Johnson.

In your opinion not in mine. Israel have made & maintained peace with other countries so no reason to assume they couldn’t do it with Lebanon if Hezbollah were not in the picture.

I saw that video, absolutely performative, it's fodder for the Israeli public to give the illusion that the IDF is "winning".

As is that Times Of Israel news piece. Netanyahu got his ass handed back to him by Trump. And the AP have reported it loud and clear.

The only land Israel gave back after the land grab was the Sinai Peninsula in exchange for peace with Egypt. This was only because there was no value in the Peninsula, it was just desert and would also have been strategically difficult to defend at the time. All the rest of the occupied territories are still under Israeli control with the Golan heights being formally annexed and the West Bank about to be. Bearing that in mind, what on earth gives you confidence to say that Israel would return the land it has stolen in Lebanon. They've just stolen a UNESCO site, Beaufort Castle and planted the Israeli flag on it. What do you think the intent is when someone plants their flag on it.

The IDF has just issued an urgent evacuation warning for residents in Nabatieh.

The Times of Israel is a reputable news source with "high credibility" according to the media bias fact check website often quoted on this board.

Most of the content of the Times of Israel news piece is direct quotes or other easily verifiable information. The only part that is not verifiable is the sentence that Israeli military sources have said no troops were actually en route to Beirut, contrary to Trump’s claim.

While Axios is also a credible site, the story you have reported twice now from Al Jazeera and the Independent is actually just reporting from the mouth of one US unnamed source, via Axios. It may be true it may be exaggerated by the source, who knows? The language used isn't verifiable at all.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-israel/

What I said was " Israel have made & maintained peace with other countries so no reason to assume they couldn’t do it with Lebanon if Hezbollah were not in the picture". I didn't mention giving back land but imagine that is something negotiated during peace treaties as was the case with Egypt.

The Israel and Egypt peace treaty was signed in 1979.

The Jordan-Israel peace treaty was signed in 1993

In 2020, Israel, Bahrain, the UAE, Morocco and Sudan signed agreements to establish full diplomatic relations and set out plans to advance economic, security, and other ties (Abraham Accords).

They sure do like evacuating people.

I follow US news, and when there are evac warnings for hurricanes etc, there is the usual stories of people staying put. " The gubbermint can't boss me about", sort of thing.

I wonder what those folk would be saying if a foreign government told them to evac because they were about to bomb all their houses and infrastructure ?

Makes it justifiable. According to some….

Hey. Tell you what. Looking of the footage of that Castle and the country in general, it looks like a lovely country.

Green fields, orchards, meandering rivers, hill side villages, castles on rocky outcrops. Looks really nice.

And the IDF are demolishing it. They are basically doing agent orange on steroids. And agent orange did not work. The US were still defeated in Vietnam.