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Conflict in the Middle East

US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

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JadeHare · 27/05/2026 17:21

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation

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Twiglets1 · 08/07/2026 15:57

JadeHare · 08/07/2026 15:28

I mean, do these ships get sunk and then bob up again? Isn’t this the 3rd time the POTUS claims to have sunk the Iranian Navy. Does he think everyone forgets the shit that he spews?

Still answering questions regarding Iran, a reporter asked Donald Trump if he will reinstate the US naval blockade of Iranain ports amid the resumed conflict.
The US President did not answer directly, but instead claimed the US took out ‘about 28’ of Iran’s ships last night.

It will be the IRGC small boats that have been destroyed. Though Centrom put the figure the US have hit at over 60. From the BBC report I posted earlier:

  • US Central Command (Centcom) said late on Tuesday that it had hit more than 80 targets, including over 60 Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) small boats
Twiglets1 · 08/07/2026 16:02

Macron: Iranian strikes violated interim accord with US

Macron said Iranian strikes on US bases in the Gulf violated the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) between the two countries.

The French President called Iran’s decision to carry out these attacks a “mistake,” but added that he understood meetings as part of the 60-day ceasefire between Iran and the US would continue.

Earlier, Donald Trump said the interim agreement to end the war with Iran was over and threatened to bomb the country “tonight”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/07/08/us-iran-strikes-persian-gulf-nato-chief-summit-ankara/

Twiglets1 · 08/07/2026 16:09

A bit of a disconnect there between Macron & Trump as to whether the ceasefire is now over or not. I guess we won't know until tonight if the US are planning another night of hard retaliation for Iran violating the "interim accord" or not.

TopPocketFind · 08/07/2026 16:21

Iran has now said that they will close the Strait of Hormuz in the event of any fresh US attacks.

And so it continues

There are 39 days left for talks.

JadeHare · 08/07/2026 16:24

From the Independent:

““There’s something wrong with them,” Trump said of the Iranian government. “I don’t like them,” he added. It is unclear whether Trump has actually killed his own deal or simply said what came to his mind at that very minute. Perhaps he doesn’t know himself. But if this was his last word, it will cost the Republicans at the midterms, if that’s something he still worries about. It will be even more dangerous for the Middle East, and traditional US allies. But it’s definitely bad for the Iranians. ”

“This, in a way, is about legacy for Trump. If he cannot be the president of peace, he will settle for fear and respect. But it is surely destabilising. Trump’s disparaging comments about Iran’s leaders could firm up Iran’s zeal to charge a fee from ships navigating the strait – just days after some of the shippers took a chance and sailed through the treacherous waters.
But his threat will be music to the ears of Israel’s security establishment. Israel said it wasn’t bound by the agreement and lobbied for harder terms. For one, Israel didn’t want Iran to veto its actions in Lebanon, but it was also sceptical of what sounded more like a gentlemen’s agreement than a genuine monitoring mechanism. ”

“Israel wanted firm procedures on the extraction and relocation of 400kg of highly-enriched uranium suspected to be under Iranian control, rather than taking Tehran at its word that it won’t build a nuclear weapon. “All enriched material must leave Iran,” Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s PM, has said.
The sort of nitty-gritty details on Iran’s nuclear programme, which was punted into the long grass by this ceasefire deal to be discussed later, equally bothers European allies. The EU’s foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas has highlighted the importance of “deeper negotiations” on Iran’s nuclear programme.
Those allies certainly weren’t expecting Iran to hog the headlines at the summit. They had hoped to focus on Nato and to keep Trump on board by promising billions in tow for American defence manufacturers. ”

“But the summit hasn’t begun well. Trump is still unhappy with what he saw as European betrayal on Iran. “Nobody wanted to help,” he said as he threatened to pull out all US troops – 80,000-plus – from the continent and to cut off all trade ties with Spain. Key European countries, including France, Germany and the UK, refused to back the US and Israel’s war on Iran and to engage offensively, quietly opening their bases to the US later and hoping that would be enough to assuage Trump. It was not.
As Trump upped the ante and renewed the threat to annex Greenland, the summit is going downhill for the Europeans. Rutte, widely described as a Trump whisperer, might have a trick up his sleeve. He described the US strikes on Iran as “absolutely necessary” and said that Iran would be the top discussion point in Ankara. ”

“Could he be trying to divert Trump’s attention from the question of European support on Iran to Iran’s violations? In the run-up to the summit, top diplomatic sources told me the focus would be on burden shifting – that’s code for Europeans replacing a large chunk of US assets and troops.
That focus has clearly been pulled. The day is not yet over, and allies must tread carefully as Trump’s Iran anger might yet blow Nato apart – again. ”

Excerpt From
“Voices: Donald Trump’s temper tantrum has just killed off his own Iran deal – and this is why”
Anchal Vohra
The Independent
https://apple.news/A82sM9y7iR5eub0CGs4EJag

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Mantanora · 08/07/2026 16:30

Twiglets1 · 08/07/2026 15:57

It will be the IRGC small boats that have been destroyed. Though Centrom put the figure the US have hit at over 60. From the BBC report I posted earlier:

  • US Central Command (Centcom) said late on Tuesday that it had hit more than 80 targets, including over 60 Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) small boats

Considering the Iranian Mosquito Fleet of high speed attack boats is estimated at 3 to 5 thousand, 60 is not really a significant dent. They are relying on asymmetric warfare tactics and unfortunately, it works. Spending half a million dollars to shoot down a 20k drone is never going to end well in the long run.

JadeHare · 08/07/2026 16:41

Twiglets1 · 08/07/2026 15:57

It will be the IRGC small boats that have been destroyed. Though Centrom put the figure the US have hit at over 60. From the BBC report I posted earlier:

  • US Central Command (Centcom) said late on Tuesday that it had hit more than 80 targets, including over 60 Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) small boats

Funny how the POTUS can’t even get the numbers right.

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Twiglets1 · 08/07/2026 17:03

Mantanora · 08/07/2026 16:30

Considering the Iranian Mosquito Fleet of high speed attack boats is estimated at 3 to 5 thousand, 60 is not really a significant dent. They are relying on asymmetric warfare tactics and unfortunately, it works. Spending half a million dollars to shoot down a 20k drone is never going to end well in the long run.

I’m merely reporting what CENTROM said not making a judgement on the numbers.

And pointing out the boats being hit are not the Iranian navy as suggested but the IRGC small speed boats.

TopPocketFind · 08/07/2026 20:54

Explosions reported in Bandar Abbas, Iran.

TopPocketFind · 08/07/2026 22:49

US begins another round of strikes against Iran - as Trump says 'let's just finish the job

Donald Trump, on his Truth Social network, said the attacks were "in retribution" for Iran hitting ships in the Strait of Hormuz.

He said:
"If it happens again, it will get much worse."

Twiglets1 · 08/07/2026 23:02

The IRGC apparently wanted more war and they will get it.

CENTROM on X

At the direction of the Commander in Chief, U.S. Central Command forces have started conducting additional strikes against Iran to further degrade their ability to threaten freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz. The United States is holding Iran accountable for recent unjustified aggression against commercial shipping and civilian crews freely navigating a vital international waterway.

Sky News report that the ships were the M/T Al Rekayyat, the M/T Wedyan, and the M/T Cyprus Prosperity, respectively flagged to the Marshall Islands, Saudi Arabia, and Liberia.

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-live-strikes-us-military-sites-trump-strait-of-hormuz-bahrain-kuwait-13509565

TopPocketFind · 08/07/2026 23:07

A US official told CNN the ceasefire with Iran "has at least temporarily ceased."

🙄

Twiglets1 · 08/07/2026 23:09

TopPocketFind · 08/07/2026 23:07

A US official told CNN the ceasefire with Iran "has at least temporarily ceased."

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No shit.

Twiglets1 · 08/07/2026 23:13

US strikes retaliation to Iran attacks on ships: Ex-Pentagon official

The US strikes were likely launched in response to the Iranian attacks on neutral civilian ships that were transiting Omani territorial waters, says David Des Roches, former Pentagon NATO operations director.

“The MoU required the US to lift its reciprocal blockade of Iran’s ports – which it did – [and it] required the US to waive sanctions for the Iranian sale of oil – which it did – and it required Iran to not interfere with civilian shipping in the Strait of Hormuz,” Des Roches told Al Jazeera.

When Iran attacked these ships, Tehran was trying to instil a new normal beyond the terms of the MoU, in which ships had to go through Iranian waters, and Iran would attack them if they did not, he explained.

“That’s unacceptable to President Trump. So these strikes are a retaliation to that action,” said Des Roches.

He said the Iranian response will be “typical”.

“It’s also quite possible that the attacks on the neutral civilian ships were launched by a Revolutionary Guard faction that was trying to derail the diplomatic process,” he added.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/7/8/iran-war-live-us-bombs-sirik-qeshm-bandar-abbas-over-hormuz-attacks

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 00:09

Des is talking US bollocks
the MOU did not ‘ require Iran to not interfere with ships transiting the strait

Ships have to follow the agreed protocol which I posted upthread
Turning off your transponder isn’t doing that for example

Might aswel post an article about what any old liar thinks

Meanwhile
Great excuse for Trump to go back to murdering civilians again. How nicely it’s all worked out for his ego
….for now

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 00:21

.The US military carried out another wave of strikes on Iran on Wednesday, hours after President Donald Trump said that an interim agreement to end the war was “over”.

Iranian state media reported explosions
in the port city of Bandar Abbas in the strait of Hormuz;
in Sirik, another southern coastal city;
and the south-western Bushehr province, home to Iran’s nuclear-power-plant complex

Trump declares ceasefire with Iran over during angry broadside at Nato summit

President calls Iranian leadership ‘scum’, rails against alliance, repeats demand for Greenland and threatens Spain

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/08/trump-declares-ceasefire-iran-over-broadside-nato-summit

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 05:39

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2026 00:09

Des is talking US bollocks
the MOU did not ‘ require Iran to not interfere with ships transiting the strait

Ships have to follow the agreed protocol which I posted upthread
Turning off your transponder isn’t doing that for example

Might aswel post an article about what any old liar thinks

Meanwhile
Great excuse for Trump to go back to murdering civilians again. How nicely it’s all worked out for his ego
….for now

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People do post random articles or quotes from random people all the time on here. But this isn’t “any old liar” it’s the ex former Pentagon NATO operations director. And the article is in Al Jazeera, presumably you consider that a reputable source? You should reread clause 5 of the MoU.

For 60 days Iran is supposed to be using its “best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels … from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman, and vice versa”.

It’s very clear that Iran shouldn’t be attacking commercial ships and it’s just a distraction from that to speculate about protocol- no one knows either way if they followed protocol but you seem to have decided they didn’t. It doesn’t matter what people on MN think who never blame Iran anyway. NATO members condemn it including France and the UK.

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 05:50

Trump has suspended the licence that had allowed Iran legally to trade oil in dollars for the first time in years.

Well done IRGC! You’re doing such good work for your country (sarcasm).

RedTagAlan · 09/07/2026 05:52

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 05:39

People do post random articles or quotes from random people all the time on here. But this isn’t “any old liar” it’s the ex former Pentagon NATO operations director. And the article is in Al Jazeera, presumably you consider that a reputable source? You should reread clause 5 of the MoU.

For 60 days Iran is supposed to be using its “best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels … from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman, and vice versa”.

It’s very clear that Iran shouldn’t be attacking commercial ships and it’s just a distraction from that to speculate about protocol- no one knows either way if they followed protocol but you seem to have decided they didn’t. It doesn’t matter what people on MN think who never blame Iran anyway. NATO members condemn it including France and the UK.

Here is a map of the new sea lanes in use by the new transit protocols. (att). I clipped this from CNN yesterday and posted it yesterday with an explanation as to why it appears that the ships here not following protocol.

And yes, it is supposed to be Iran managing shipping at the moment, as per the MOU.

So what do we have ?. Ships struck that do not appear to be following the MOU, and no claim from the US that they were following the MOU. We have a POTUS who can't sell HIS MOU to his base and is backtracking. And we have Trump now ditching the MOU, the same one he could not sell to his base.

And we have Iran, saying ships must stick to the MOU.

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Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 06:21

RedTagAlan · 09/07/2026 05:52

Here is a map of the new sea lanes in use by the new transit protocols. (att). I clipped this from CNN yesterday and posted it yesterday with an explanation as to why it appears that the ships here not following protocol.

And yes, it is supposed to be Iran managing shipping at the moment, as per the MOU.

So what do we have ?. Ships struck that do not appear to be following the MOU, and no claim from the US that they were following the MOU. We have a POTUS who can't sell HIS MOU to his base and is backtracking. And we have Trump now ditching the MOU, the same one he could not sell to his base.

And we have Iran, saying ships must stick to the MOU.

You can say what you want Alan, Iran were not supposed to be attacking commercial ships in the MoU and couldn't show restraint even for 60 days. You have just decided for your own reasons that these ships probably weren't following protocol. No one in authority is saying this - only Alan from MN but your speculations seem to be growing tract on here and will be the new "truth".

Only the actual inconvenient truth is that Iran broke the terms of the MoU and they will be punished militarily and - possibly more harmful to the people of Iran -economically. Blame the US all you want, I think the IRGC got what they wanted which is sabotaging the fragile peace deal.

If Trump does want to walk away from the MoU, they just handed him an excuse on a plate. But Trump having no interest in the MoU is just another one of your speculations with no evidence. The evidence of him lifting the economic sanctions on Iran (oh so briefly) in exchange for their supposed co-operation during the 60 days suggests otherwise.

RedTagAlan · 09/07/2026 07:26

"The vessel appeared to be traveling without its transponder on, ship-tracking data show, a common measure to avoid attracting attention. The UK Maritime Trade Operations had earlier issued an alert on attack but did not identify the carrier."

"The Iran-approved corridor along the north side of the strait has seen two-thirds of all transits in recent days, according to data from intelligence firm Kpler Ltd., with the rest crossing along the US-managed Oman route."

"Out of the 25 ships that transited Hormuz on Monday alone, only three did so on the Omani side with their transponders on, the data show — despite an update from regional naval forces reminding shipowners that the US-managed Oman route remained available for use. "

That is one of them with Transponder off, apparently using the US managed Oman route.

Source

Qatari LNG Ship Struck in Strait of Hormuz, Testing US Talks (gcaptain.com)

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Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 08:04

It's clear @RedTagAlan that both routes were being used.

The MoU stipulated that the strait would be free to all shipping for at least 60 days. As far as I'm aware it didn't stipulate only one lane could be used.

From your source, “The continued use of different shipping lanes suggests that traffic through the strait remains operational, but is fragmented as shipowners adopt different routing strategies based on their individual risk assessments,” said Muyu Xu, senior crude oil analyst at Kpler.

If the IRGC had a problem with the 3 ships, this could have been addressed via diplomatic means not by attacking the ships, which has threatened - possibly ended - the ceasefire. Again, it's pretty obvious they intended to derail the diplomatic process so I guess they succeeded in that.

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 08:07

From the BBC:

There is a grim predictability about what’s happening around the Strait of Hormuz right now.

The Islamic Revolutionary Guards (IRGC), for reasons known only to themselves, attacked three tankers at the beginning of the week.

The US responded by hitting around 80 targets on Iran’s coast. Iran responded by firing drones and missiles at US bases in Bahrain and Kuwait.

The same thing happened during Wednesday night, followed by fighting talk from both sides.

This is, to some extent, a case of who blinks first.

After surviving more than 24,000 airstrikes by the combined air forces of the US and Israel earlier this year, the IRGC are feeling somewhat invincible.

They want to impose a new paradigm on the way shipping passes through the Strait, forcing ships to pass through a checkpoint and be inspected by IRGC officers.

Iran has declared that things will never go back to the way they were before the war started on 28 February.

But the US, the Arab Gulf states and indeed the International Maritime Organisation (IMO) all say this is unacceptable.

None of this was resolved in last month’s memorandum of understanding and now, after the flare-up in fighting, it will be harder than ever to reach a lasting deal.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c17y1vnn2qxt

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 08:17

Iran's army says it has targeted US military sites in Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain with drones.

A US Patriot missile system in Kuwait, a satellite antenna early warning system in Qatar, and US fuel storage facilities in Bahrain were targeted "by a large number" of "various types" of attack drones.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c17y1vnn2qxt

Twiglets1 · 09/07/2026 08:17

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