US - Iran Peace agreement Part 2

[JadeHare]

Doesn’t really look like anyone believes that Donald is going to come out of his stupid war with any kind of better deal.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/26/trump-us-iran-capitulation/

We wouldn’t need a bloody MoU if Israel and the US hadn’t started this bloody stupid war in the first place.

This stupid utterly pointless and extremely destructive war that has had so many terrible consequences. Anyone that supported it should hang their heads in shame.

Trump says ceasefire 'is over' and calls Iranians 'sick people'

(he is giving a speech at the moment)

That is what the IRGC have achieved - well done to them if that was their aim.

Which logically - I guess it must have been.

It all started with the US bombing Iran (or with Trump tearing up the JCPOA)

And no, I am not excusing the IRGC

Donald Trump has been speaking for the first time about the US strikes on Iran overnight.
The US military "attacked very powerfully" last night, he says while meeting NATO chief Mark Rutte in Ankara.
"They're sick. There's something wrong with them.
"We said 'Go and do your funeral stuff', and instead of that, they start shooting rockets and ships yesterday. So we hit them very hard last night."
The strikes were "20 times tougher" than the Iranian retaliatory attacks, Trump says.
He continues: "I told them every time you hit, we hit. Then of course they're dirty players so they go after everyone.
"So we don't like them, I don't like them, and they're evil people."
The US has wasted a lot of time with Iran and "I don't think they know what the hell they're doing", as they should have made a peace deal a long time ago, Trump says.
He adds:
"These are evil, sick people, and we have to rid - they're cancer. They're cancer. And you know what you do? You got to cut out cancer early."

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-live-strikes-us-military-sites-trump-strait-of-hormuz-bahrain-kuwait-13509565

Donald Trump is asked by reporters in Ankara if the US ceasefire with Iran is done.

"It's a very interesting question. To me, I think it's over. I don't want to deal with them anymore," the US president responds.

"As far as I'm concerned, it's over. I'll speak to our negotiators, they want to negotiate.

"As far as I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time dealing with them."

The US and Iran signed a memorandum of understanding on 17 June, which paused military fire between the two countries and committed to a 60-day negotiating period to reach a final, lasting peace agreement.

But the US military launched "a series of powerful strikes" against Iran overnight which it said was in response to commercial shipping being attacked in the Strait of Hormuz.

A lot of 'as far as I am concerned'

He is referring to the IRGC not ordinary Iranian people as is clear from his words referring to "they" such as:

"They're sick. There's something wrong with them.
"We said 'Go and do your funeral stuff', and instead of that, they start shooting rockets and ships yesterday. So we hit them very hard last night."

'Bunch of scum'

There were a lot of ordinary Iranian people at the funeral.

When he said he was going to annihilate Iran, did he exclude those ordinary people?

Bombs don't exactly discriminate as we see in Lebanon.

Again, he is referring to the IRGC. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous when his meaning is quite clear.

You seem to be trying to change the subject from who Trump was referring to when he said 'sick people.' Hopefully we are in agreement now that he was referring to the IRGC.

As for ordinary Iranian people at the funeral - yes I'm sure. They will suffer economically and potentially physically if the ceasefire is over which the IRGC full knew when they decided to attack 3 ships in the SoH.

The IRGC don't want peace at all do they, not even for economic sanctions being lifted or anything else. It's obvious to me now. They seem utterly bonkers and many people - Iranian and otherwise - will suffer as a result.

Nothing is clear about Trump's words.

I am not trying to change the subject.

It is clear that Trump is referring to the IRGC.

Trump says ceasefire is over and calls Iranian leaders 'scum'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/clyejerv58zo

The Trump administration violated U.S. law by providing Iran’s government with confidential information detailing the asylum applications for Iranians it planned to deport, a new lawsuit filed in D.C. alleges.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/07/07/us-gave-iran-details-iranian-asylum-seekers-lawsuit-alleges/

it is paywalled

Still say you're not trying to change the subject?

Yes, hth

BBC

What Trump has said about the Iran talks in the past

A short while ago, Donald Trump declared the ceasefire with Iran "over", though did leave some leeway for his negotiating team to continue talks with Tehran.

It's not the first time the US president has issued definitive statements about the agreement - here is what he has said previously.

• 8 April - US and Iran sign agree to a tentative two-week ceasefire
• 21 April - Trump says he doesn't want to extend the two-week ceasefire and says he "expects to be bombing" again soon. Later that day, he says US attacks have been called off after a request from Pakistan
• 8 May - Trump says the world will know the ceasefire is over when there is "one big glow coming out of Iran"
• 11 May - Days later, Trump says the ceasefire is on "massive life support"
• 11 June - Trump indicates the ceasefire is over, threatening to hit Iran "very hard", before calling off the strikes later that evening
• 17 June - As Trump signs an initial agreement to end the war, he says: "If they don't behave, we'll go right back to dropping bombs right smack in the middle of their head"
• 8 July - Trump says the ceasefire is "over" but says negotiators on both sides can continue to talk

I'm not sure about this. I suspect it could just be more Trump bluster trying to make himself look tough. I don't think he has the stomach or the intelligence to get into a protracted war which it will be without boots on the ground or something else. Israel will of course be delighted by this hoping that the US will continue to fight their war for them.

He does not want it. In my opinion, and from what I have seen.

As soon as he done his MOU speech at the G7 he instantly started to roll back. It was almost as if he had not said what he had said. And there was no way Iran was going to get that $6 billion. He made a fanfare of signing it, and with no intention of honouring it.

"On Sunday, Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) warned that its navy deployed patrol boats to block the “Omani route,” Iranian media and a Telegram channel affiliated with the IRGC said. In its report on the alleged attack, Iran’s Fars News Agency cited its sources as claiming the tanker had been attempting to transit the “Omani route.”"

That quote is from the CNN article below. Also in that article is the sea lane map through the SoH. As I said previously, the lanes have shifted into Iranian waters. To transit the SOH under the MOU, ships need to go through Iranian waters, These ships were not.

Article 5 of the MOU

5. Upon the signing of this MoU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. The traffic of commercial vessels will immediately start, and considering the need for removing the technical and military obstacles and demining by the Islamic Republic of Iran, will be instated within 30 days. The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialogue with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services in the Strait of Hormuz in discussion with other Persian Gulf littoral states in line with the applicable international law and the sovereign rights of coastal states of the Strait of Hormuz.

Note how it says " the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage". That is what was signed. That is what Trump signed.

And yet here we are. Ships that appear to have been trying to circumvent that for some reason.

What the US should be doing is making sure the MOU is followed. Including article 5. If they see any ships trying to get around the MOU, they should be telling the ships NO.

Also from the article, at the end.

"One hundred and eight boats crossed the strait from Friday through Sunday, according to a Monday update from maritime tracking agency MarineTraffic. Before the war, more than 100 vessels transited the strait each day on average."

So if the ships are sailing and getting through ok, why the hell were these 2 ships not following plan, same as the other 106 managed to do ?

Also this from Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi

"He invoked paragraph 13 of the US-Iran memorandum of understanding, which says the two sides must fulfill several conditions before they can start negotiating a final deal."

Source -

Iran strikes three vessels near Strait of Hormuz as Trump arrives at NATO summit | CNN

And whilst this is going on, six thousand seafarers are still stranded in the Gulf according to the International Maritime Organisation.

This was a war of choice. Started by the US and Israel, when they bombed Iran on two separate occasions when Iran was at the negotiating table. It has been stated as thus many times by the AP.

Had this war of choice not been started by the US and Israel, then we would not have needed an MoU.

The ceasefire is over says Trump

This brings us back to why did those ships attempt to transit the SOH

Why did at least one of them have their transponder off
If not following procedure they knew the consequences so
why do it ?

Did someone tell them to ?

Is that how Trumps Aparent tankers sneaked through before as declared by Trump

If we believe anything Trump says we have to then believe he didn’t lie about that and so it’s logical to assume it was the US attempting to take control of the SOH and sneak more through

The US would know that Iran would strike anyone not following the agreed procedure
We know MOU is more favourable to Iran and a difficult sell to MAGA
and We know Trumps been trying to surpass various points to get an agreement on Irans uranium in contravention of the MOU timeline of talks

He's not happy
We know this

So will we find out a some point in the future that the US told the ships to turn off their transponders to sneak ships through with two fingers up to Iran and the MOU and
to rile Iran to attack.
This then can be used by the US to justify an end to the ceasefire in an attempt at getting a better deal
America first and all that

Well this is good news. From the Telegraph:

“Iran has threatened to paralyse global oil flow and expand the war to the Red Sea if the US launches new attacks.
After Donald Trump declared an end to the ceasefire, Iran laid out the steps it would take if strikes on the Islamic Republic continued.
The first step of its response would be stopping all oil leaving the Strait of Hormuz and the Bab el-Mandeb strait, the choke point linking the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.
Iran also said it would destroy neighbouring countries’ oil infrastructure.
“Any renewed aggression on the part of the enemy must be met with a response that directly targets the vital interests of the United States and its allies,” said the plan, which was published by the Fars news agency”

Excerpt From
“Iran threatens to expand war to Red Sea”
Lily Shanagher
The Telegraph
https://apple.news/AMpsK-2gSTn2p2-jDW8U6sw
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Not only is Trump an idiot. He seems to be an idiot prepared to commit war crimes.

“Donald Trump said the US may reinstate the blockade on Iran.
His comments came minutes after he threatened to take over Kharg Island, a major oil terminal in the Persian Gulf, off the coast of Iran.
When asked about the effectiveness of last night’s attacks, Mr Trump called them “tremendous”
“We attacked Kharg Island last night,” Trump says.
“I said, ‘Don’t don’t touch the oil’, because we may take over Kharg Island. There’s not a thing they can do about it.
“I said ‘Don’t hit the pipes, just hit everything else’. And they hit it. They may hit it again tonight.”
02:29pm
Trump: We will take out Iran’s energy and water plants
Donald Trump warned the US would target Iran’s energy and water infrastructure.
“If I have to, I will take out electricity and water plants, but I don’t want to,” he said.”

Excerpt From
“Trump: We’ll probably hit Iran hard again”
Lily Shanagher
The Telegraph
https://apple.news/AMpsK-2gSTn2p2-jDW8U6sw
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Trump talking with Mark Rutte at the NATO meet.

PRESS QUESTION 00:12:52-00:12:59 (7 SEC)
Iran, is the ceasefire over? Is, is the ceasefire done? Is the MOU dead?

DONALD TRUMP 00:12:59-00:13:20 (20 SEC)

It's a very interesting question. To me, I think it's over. I don't want to deal with them anymore. They're scum. You know what scum is? They're scum. They're sick people. They're led by sick people. And, uh, they're vicious, violent people. And if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd use it. As far as I'm concerned, it's over.

I'll speak to our negotiators. They want to negotiate, they're good people. Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner, but they have to come back to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time dealing with them. They're liars. We make a deal and they will, if I make a deal with him, we have a deal and he goes out, he talks.

We make a deal. Everyone's agreed. No nuclear weapon. We make a deal. They go outside, talk to the press, they say, "We never even talked about it." There's something wrong with them. They're cuckoo. As far as I'm concerned, it's over.

The art of the deal ?

And this is the guy who said he would end the Russian Ukraine war in a week.

He has no interest in the MOU. And the deal is too hard for him. So he walks away.

I mean, do these ships get sunk and then bob up again? Isn’t this the 3rd time the POTUS claims to have sunk the Iranian Navy. Does he think everyone forgets the shit that he spews?

Still answering questions regarding Iran, a reporter asked Donald Trump if he will reinstate the US naval blockade of Iranain ports amid the resumed conflict.
The US President did not answer directly, but instead claimed the US took out ‘about 28’ of Iran’s ships last night.