It’s kicking off in Dubai again FlightRadar24

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I’m watching an Emirates flight from Seattle circling around trying to land. Sky News are reporting that the sirens have gone off.

F bloody Trump.

Yup. Countries do usually need their own specialist lawyers for this stuff. And for likes of that oil spill, complaints are supposed to go the UN. All the rules for doing that are in UNCLOS. But they are well above my level of understanding.

Know zero about maritime limits and I know straits are a special case but as far as aviation goes usually once outside the 12 mile territorial limit airspace is international...

So for example whilst it's true a Russian carrier group (if they still had one) wouldn't drag it's own controlled airpspace around with it they could in theory conduct air operations in open airspace 13 miles east of e.g Flamborough head...(though it might hack a few people off).

That's possibly the point that the Chinese/Japanese were arguing about.

Overflight at 13 nautical miles yes, but surely not carrier ops, because sovereignty over sea and bed goes to 24 miles. Air sovereignty stops at 12 miles.

Edit add.

I think what is special about SoH is that it is all in somebodies 12 mile limit. Iran or Oman.

OK, my knowledge of this is a bit dated and I don't recall seeing ever seeing the specifics for where a carrier/ship could be (that was another branches problem) but an aircraft/helicopter launched off it would be legit/legal iaw with the rules I used to work under until at/inside the 12 nautical mile limit.

ETA: just seen your comment about special case - agreed.

Yup. I looked it up. Apparently the contiguous zone, 12-24 nautical miles from low water, it depends upon the laws of the state. So it can be a bit fuzzy. Some countries don't care. Other countries really do.

This fits in with what I said up thread about the internet where I am. They really do really really care about it. They care so much about it that they censor the internet on it. Because they claim an entire sea that their neighbours, and even non neighbours rather object to. In fact, they claim 3x seas. And all that is within them.

Because they claim an entire sea that their neighbours, and even non neighbours rather object to. In fact, they claim 3x seas. And all that is within them.

If they have the might and will to enforce the claim, what can objectors do? A bit like ICC warrant for Bibi.
I was looking up some disputed territory in a part of the world I'm interested in, on marineregions website. There's a lot of it about, not whole seas, mind.

There is not a lot anyone can do about it. Because UNCLOS does not really have jurisdiction. to force a result. There are various opt out clauses for member states.

See the 2016 UNCLOS award in PRC v The Philippines. This is my interest in UNCLOS. I armchair follow it. And it's also why it is... ahem... censored.

I think this is one of the big compromises in UNCLOS. Because who would sign a treaty if that treaty could be empowered against them.

Remember Rockall, in the Atlantic. Both the UK and Ireland claimed that. Because oil potential, and the 200 mile EEZ. But the 2016 award finally got to defining what an island is, as per art 121 of UNCLOS. And Rockall does not qualify for a 200 mile EEZ. So the UK and Ireland quietly gave up their spat over it.

Rockall is still under dispute
The UK always thinking they have ownership….again

There's a great song ‘Rock on Rockall you’ll never fall’

The Irish don’t forget and rarely ‘quietly’ give up

Yes sorry. I should have said still disputed. But not like it was because it does not get a 200 mile EEZ. It gets 12 miles.

I remember they used to have people camp on it.