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FUDJTFOTTFEOF · 04/05/2026 16:28

I’m watching an Emirates flight from Seattle circling around trying to land. Sky News are reporting that the sirens have gone off.

F bloody Trump.

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NoCommentingFromNowOn · 05/05/2026 22:48

GentleSheep · 05/05/2026 22:44

Night time exercises?

Ohh so…..normal-ish hopefully.

notimagain · 06/05/2026 07:14

Didn't see what went on last night but there are links between the Qatari Air Force and the RAF

As I understand it ATM one of the UK Typhoon squadrons (12 Sqn) is in a way a joint RAF/Qatari unit, supporting Qatari purchase of some Typhoons, so there may well be a link with that.

In any event it'll have been training/exercise flying, nothing more sinister.

logicisall · 06/05/2026 07:17

GentleSheep · 05/05/2026 21:26

Take a close look at the emblem of Hamas - I thought that green pointy shape at the top was a blade of some kind. No - it's the state of Israel, or as Hamas would call it, Palestine. They are committed to replacing Israel with an Islamic Palestine.

Hamas needs to update their emblem then, as Israel isn't that shape anymore.

thornbury · 06/05/2026 07:22

logicisall · 04/05/2026 18:30

That was probably tousi news.

The UAE's foreign ministry said in a statement on X.
the UAE reserves the right to respond in a way that protects its sovereignty and security.

Which isn't exactly The UAE will likely strike back, they've said they will.

They say that on every statement. Doesn't mean they will. But yes, they do have the right to.

logicisall · 06/05/2026 11:20

The humanitarian Project Freedom/project deadlock/project failure that is the USA's red, white and blue dome of protection, has paused. The blockade is still in place, as is the blockade of the blockade. Sort of.

If the proposed MOU is signed, with Iran committing to a moratorium on nuclear enrichment, the US agreeing to lift sanctions and release billions in frozen Iranian funds, and both sides lifting restrictions around transit through the strait, it's pretty obvious to me, which side comes out better from the war. That white flag worked for Iran.

Wasting USD25B and counting is nothing to Trump as he's not the one personally paying the bill. He's just said that high oil/gasoline prices are a small price to pay for what he's achieved with his Iran war. Which is basically nothing, but that's just me giving my opinion.
I feel that I have to stress that I'm neither an Iran supporter/Trump supporter nor racist.

Twiglets1 · 06/05/2026 11:24

logicisall · 06/05/2026 11:20

The humanitarian Project Freedom/project deadlock/project failure that is the USA's red, white and blue dome of protection, has paused. The blockade is still in place, as is the blockade of the blockade. Sort of.

If the proposed MOU is signed, with Iran committing to a moratorium on nuclear enrichment, the US agreeing to lift sanctions and release billions in frozen Iranian funds, and both sides lifting restrictions around transit through the strait, it's pretty obvious to me, which side comes out better from the war. That white flag worked for Iran.

Wasting USD25B and counting is nothing to Trump as he's not the one personally paying the bill. He's just said that high oil/gasoline prices are a small price to pay for what he's achieved with his Iran war. Which is basically nothing, but that's just me giving my opinion.
I feel that I have to stress that I'm neither an Iran supporter/Trump supporter nor racist.

My opinion is that he will have achieved something in the war rather than "basically nothing" if he achieves a suspension on Iranian nuclear enrichment for a considerable number of years. Of course we don't yet know if he will achieve a suspension of 20 years say, that remains to be seen.

logicisall · 07/05/2026 06:58

There's a US Stratotanker doing loops over the Persian Gulf.
US fired on an Iranian Tanker, targetting its rudder.

RedTagAlan · 07/05/2026 07:24

logicisall · 07/05/2026 06:58

There's a US Stratotanker doing loops over the Persian Gulf.
US fired on an Iranian Tanker, targetting its rudder.

The tanker was empty apparently.

Just what is needed. A rudderless ship among it all.

Efacsen · 07/05/2026 07:49

RedTagAlan · 07/05/2026 07:24

The tanker was empty apparently.

Just what is needed. A rudderless ship among it all.

Thank goodness it's empty - imagine the pollution if it ran aground

logicisall · 07/05/2026 10:27

RedTagAlan · 07/05/2026 07:24

The tanker was empty apparently.

Just what is needed. A rudderless ship among it all.

Typical American posturing then. A real man would have hit a full tanker and owned the consequences.
<tongue firmly in cheek>

RedTagAlan · 07/05/2026 10:44

logicisall · 07/05/2026 10:27

Typical American posturing then. A real man would have hit a full tanker and owned the consequences.
<tongue firmly in cheek>

Or sent the dolphins in ?

Sorry. I know this is a serious thread. But that press conference :-)

logicisall · 07/05/2026 11:11

Hegseth said he knows for sure that Iran doesn't have kamikaze dolphins, then refused to say if the US had, so it could been a rogue US mammal they were trying to eliminate. They should have just used a single leopard seal and not wasted expensive weaponry.
Or asked Starmer, nicely while wearing a suit, for a Welsh seal.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/seals-kill-eat-dolphins-uk-b2928820.html

Seals have begun killing and eating dolphins – and no-one knows why

Experts are baffled by the phenomenon

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/seals-kill-eat-dolphins-uk-b2928820.html

1dayatatime · 07/05/2026 15:36

Efacsen · 07/05/2026 07:49

Thank goodness it's empty - imagine the pollution if it ran aground

That's what anchors are for, unless of course they deliberately wanted to run it aground.

Islandsofsand · 07/05/2026 19:36

logicisall · 06/05/2026 11:20

The humanitarian Project Freedom/project deadlock/project failure that is the USA's red, white and blue dome of protection, has paused. The blockade is still in place, as is the blockade of the blockade. Sort of.

If the proposed MOU is signed, with Iran committing to a moratorium on nuclear enrichment, the US agreeing to lift sanctions and release billions in frozen Iranian funds, and both sides lifting restrictions around transit through the strait, it's pretty obvious to me, which side comes out better from the war. That white flag worked for Iran.

Wasting USD25B and counting is nothing to Trump as he's not the one personally paying the bill. He's just said that high oil/gasoline prices are a small price to pay for what he's achieved with his Iran war. Which is basically nothing, but that's just me giving my opinion.
I feel that I have to stress that I'm neither an Iran supporter/Trump supporter nor racist.

The opinion Trump has achieved little for the extent of death and destruction, for the inconvenience caused to people around the world and the impact of increased cost of living has also been shared by others.

I wonder if those supporting the war realise that Iran agreed to various restrictions around its nuclear programme prior to the bombing - and that was with just the start of negotiations.

»UK officials have subsequently explained they were impressed that Iran was prepared for the deal to be permanent and, unlike the 2015 nuclear agreement, would not have cut-off dates, or sunset clauses ending the restrictions on its programme.
Iran had also agreed to down-blend the 440kg stockpile of highly enriched uranium under the supervision of the IAEA inside Iran. It agreed no stockpiles of highly enriched uranium would be built up in the future.

In the final session of the talks, Iran agreed to a three- to-five-year pause on domestic enrichment, but the US in the afternoon session, after consultations with Trump, demanded a 10-year pause.

In practice, Iran had no means to enrich domestically because of the bombing of its enrichment plants in 2025.

Iran had also made an offer of what the mediators described as an economic bonanza, with the US being given the chance to participate in a future civil nuclear programme.

In return, nearly 80% of the economic sanctions on Iran would have been lifted, including assets frozen in Qatar, a demand Iran made in the 2025 talks.

The Oman mediator believed the offer of zero stockpiling of highly enriched uranium was a breakthrough that meant an agreement was within reach.

Accounts differ on whether Kushner left the talks giving the impression Trump would welcome what had been agreed, or that the US negotiators knew it would take something massive to persuade Trump that war was not the best option.

One Gulf diplomat with knowledge of the talks said: “We regarded Witkoff and Kushner as Israeli assets that dragged a president into a war he wants to get out of.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/17/uk-security-adviser-attended-us-iran-talks-and-judged-deal-was-within-reach

I don’t quite know what to make of the last paragraph, but guess Guardian had it’s sources.

UK security adviser ‘attended’ US-Iran talks and judged deal was within reach

Exclusive: Jonathan Powell thought Tehran’s ‘surprising’ offer on its nuclear programme could prevent rush to war, sources say

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/17/uk-security-adviser-attended-us-iran-talks-and-judged-deal-was-within-reach

GentleSheep · 07/05/2026 19:39

Well, the last paragraph is seeking to blame Israel - 'dragged a president into a war he wants to get out of'. 😐Don't really expect anything else from the press these days.

GentleSheep · 07/05/2026 21:43

Breaking news!

Jennifer Griffin from Fox news report that the US military just carried out strikes on Qeshm port and Bandar Abbas but this is 'not a re-starting of the war' !

It’s kicking off in Dubai again FlightRadar24
BelleHathor · 07/05/2026 22:00

Looks like war may be back on the table.

Congratulations Trump, he might as well because he's already lost 20% to 30% of his 2024 voting base with an upcoming bloodbath by an electorate that's blaming him for their rising costs.

The American government just like Netanyahu's ilk are agreement incapable. They never respect ceasefires and continually push boundaries.

The ultimate irony may come if this whole misadventure for Iranian regime change destroys Trumps presidency and severely degrades the American empire.

Shades of the Roman Emperor Crassus who invaded Persia and lost....
https://nicklicata.medium.com/trump-and-the-roman-crassus-share-the-same-hubris-in-invading-iran-459fbf209dd2

GentleSheep · 07/05/2026 22:46

BelleHathor · 07/05/2026 22:00

Looks like war may be back on the table.

Congratulations Trump, he might as well because he's already lost 20% to 30% of his 2024 voting base with an upcoming bloodbath by an electorate that's blaming him for their rising costs.

The American government just like Netanyahu's ilk are agreement incapable. They never respect ceasefires and continually push boundaries.

The ultimate irony may come if this whole misadventure for Iranian regime change destroys Trumps presidency and severely degrades the American empire.

Shades of the Roman Emperor Crassus who invaded Persia and lost....
https://nicklicata.medium.com/trump-and-the-roman-crassus-share-the-same-hubris-in-invading-iran-459fbf209dd2

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That's really interesting, the parallel between Crassus and Trump! They do say history repeats itself and it's true.

Totally agree that this will destroy Trump's presidency and will actually result in the removal of US support for Israel, eventually, rightly or wrongly. Future US governments won't want to get themselves involved in this kind of situation for the foreseeable.

logicisall · 07/05/2026 23:29

US hitting civilian targets in Iran now. CNN

• Strikes on Iran: US forces targeted Iranian military facilities responsible for launching a series of “unprovoked” missile, drone and small boat attacks against warships transiting the Strait of Hormuz, US Central Command said Thursday. US airstrikes hit civilian areas along the coasts of Qeshm Island, Bandar Khamir and Sirik, a spokesperson for Iran’s armed forces said.

BelleHathor · 07/05/2026 23:35

GentleSheep · 07/05/2026 22:46

That's really interesting, the parallel between Crassus and Trump! They do say history repeats itself and it's true.

Totally agree that this will destroy Trump's presidency and will actually result in the removal of US support for Israel, eventually, rightly or wrongly. Future US governments won't want to get themselves involved in this kind of situation for the foreseeable.

It really is uncanny, even down to the love of gold. Likely also true about US support for Israel which has completely collapsed in the under 50s.

Crassus was destroyed by Hubris. So many good comparisons of both leaders:

"Trump and Crassus: The Eternal Folly of Invading Persia
History has a habit of whispering warnings to those who care to listen.

Unfortunately, power has an equally persistent habit of ignoring them.

If the United States under Donald Trump chooses to march into conflict with Iran, the shadow that stretches across the centuries is unmistakable: the disastrous campaign of Marcus Licinius Crassus, whose invasion of Persia ended in catastrophe at the Battle of Carrhae.

The parallels are not perfect — history rarely repeats so neatly — but they are instructive enough to give any statesman pause.

The Original Western Invasion of Persia
In 53 BC, Crassus, the richest man in Rome and one of the three rulers of the Roman Republic, sought military glory to rival that of Julius Caesar and Pompey.

He marched east with approximately seven legions — roughly 40,000 men — intending to conquer the Parthian Empire and seize its wealth.

He ignored the warnings of allies, rejected safer routes, and advanced deep into hostile territory.

The Parthians responded with a style of warfare Rome scarcely understood.

At Carrhae, a small Parthian force commanded by Surena used mobile cavalry and horse archers to surround the Roman legions in the desert. Roman heavy infantry — formidable in European battlefields — proved helpless against a fast-moving enemy that could strike
•10,000 captured
•Crassus himself dead
•Roman prestige shattered across the East.

The Euphrates became the effective boundary between Rome and Persia for generations.

Rome had learned a painful lesson: Persia is not easily conquered.

Persia: The Graveyard of Western Ambition
From Crassus onward, the story repeats.
Roman emperors invaded Persia again and again — with mixed success, but rarely decisive victory. Later empires would learn the same lesson:

•Alexander succeeded briefly but his empire collapsed after his death.
•Rome and Persia fought for centuries without decisive conquest.
•The British Empire failed to dominate the wider region.
•The Soviet Union failed in nearby Afghanistan.
•The United States struggled for two decades in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The geography itself fights the invader: vast distances, mountains, deserts, and a
civilisation accustomed to resisting foreign domination.

Iran is not merely a state.
It is a civilisation over 2,500 years old.
And civilisations fight differently than regimes.

The Psychology of Great Power Overreach
Crassus did not invade Persia because he had to.

He invaded because he wanted glory.

His colleagues Caesar and Pompey had conquered Gaul and the East. He needed a
triumph of his own. Ambition, prestige, domestic politics — these are ancient forces in statecraft.

Modern superpowers are not immune to them.

Military planners can calculate missiles and logistics. But the deeper calculation is
psychological:
pride, perception, and the intoxicating belief that power guarantees victory.

Crassus possessed the finest army of his age.

It did not save him.

The Lesson Carrhae Still Teaches
The true tragedy of Carrhae was not simply military defeat.

It was strategic blindness. Rome assumed that because it dominated the Mediterranean world it could dominate
Persia as well.

That assumption proved fatal.

Every empire eventually confronts this moment — the moment when power mistakes itself for inevitability.

Persia has historically been the place where that illusion dissolves.

If Washington today contemplates war with Iran, the desert plains near Carrhae still whisper their warning across two millennia:

Great empires are not destroyed by weak enemies.
They are destroyed by overconfidence.
And somewhere in the sands of Mesopotamia lies the skull of Crassus — a relic of the last man who believed Persia would be easy."

Stirabout · 07/05/2026 23:40

logicisall · 07/05/2026 23:29

US hitting civilian targets in Iran now. CNN

• Strikes on Iran: US forces targeted Iranian military facilities responsible for launching a series of “unprovoked” missile, drone and small boat attacks against warships transiting the Strait of Hormuz, US Central Command said Thursday. US airstrikes hit civilian areas along the coasts of Qeshm Island, Bandar Khamir and Sirik, a spokesperson for Iran’s armed forces said.

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I read that report and thought
what an ironic comment

because obviously
US warships transiting the SOH are the provocation

RedTagAlan · 08/05/2026 04:27

Stirabout · 07/05/2026 23:40

I read that report and thought
what an ironic comment

because obviously
US warships transiting the SOH are the provocation

Yes.

The US are now releasing news to the networks in near exactly the same was as an authoritarian state. No mention of where the US destroyers were. My first thought was to wonder if they were in Iran territorial waters or Omani. Because to be in Iranian territory while there is a war on is a provocative act.

China do this when they fire flares in front of foreign assets in the South China sea. A recent incident involving Australian aircraft for example, the ozzies give the coordinate of where, The PRC do not. They just hand wave that detail away.

The US is also doing the trick of ignoring negative news. But when fixed, they then report it as a gain. For example, no mention that Saudi Arabia blocked the use of their bases for "Project Freedom". But now the Saudis and Kuwait have lifted that, it is reported as good news. But they made no statement when it was bad news. Esp Kuwait. I was not aware they had blocked bases at all.

Then the press conference of course. Friendly news networks only.

logicisall · 08/05/2026 05:14

And somewhere in the sands of Mesopotamia lies the skull of Crassus — a relic of the last man who believed Persia would be easy."

Let me fix that.
Till Donald Trump, the 47th President of the United States of America, came along.

countrygirl99 · 08/05/2026 05:55

Maybe they used Google AI

It’s kicking off in Dubai again FlightRadar24
It’s kicking off in Dubai again FlightRadar24
RedTagAlan · 08/05/2026 08:16

countrygirl99 · 08/05/2026 05:55

Maybe they used Google AI

Did you post that in the wrong thread ? Just asking in case you don't know it's here, when you think it is somewhere else.

If so, I have done that too. :-)