It’s kicking off in Dubai again FlightRadar24

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I’m watching an Emirates flight from Seattle circling around trying to land. Sky News are reporting that the sirens have gone off.

F bloody Trump.

I've seen this said before but wonder how anyone can know this as the Iranian people are enduring their 66th day of internet blackout - so there is no recent polling to elicit their views

I understand that Iranians living outside of Iran tend to favour the overthrow of the IRGC but their situation/experiences are very different from from those living under Trumps war

So who knows

Oo yes will do

Can you tell me where you’re getting your news from?

And why was there a ceasefire? Because he US started a war of choice.
Iran closed off the straight to the US and some other countries in response to the attack. The straight was open to all before the illegal war started - that is common knowledge.
He was advised by senior military personnel that this would happen but chose to go ahead and now his family are reaping the financial rewards, while everyone else will struggle extreme financial difficulties as food and petrol prices soar.

They do, and trump knows hes fucking everyone off by the ships not being able to pass through safely so now hes trying to passively backtrack. Im not surprised the Iranians have retaliated. Trump got more than he bargained for this time round and is now destroying world economy.

Do you not think the fact that the Iranian regime have blocked their own citizens from using the internet, points to the Iranian people not being happy with the regime? Do you think we’d be happy with our government if it murdered 30000+ of us in a two-week window?

The UAE and other Middle Eastern countries were under the impression that they would somehow be safe as they have done some pretty large crypto deals with Trump and have US bases in their countries. I would think that they are seriously pissed off with the big fat orange psychopath, totally fucking useless. But they and others have fallen for his bullshit rhetoric.

So yet again the bloody yanks are screwing over the whole world, it was their useless banking etiquette that caused the 2008 banking crash. They honestly don’t give a flying fart about anyone other than themselves, especially the current government which is full of businessmen and billionaires, barely any of Trump’s cabinet has previously worked in government.

Most of Trumps money when running for presidency came from very rich billionaires who wanted Trump to join up with Bibi. The Billionaire Israelis Zionists in America are very powerful,I’m not sure that Trump dared to refuse after taking their money whilst campaigning 🤷‍♀️

I’ve recently seen a video of the late Charlie Kirk stating that America had no reason to attack Iran, it’s at Bibis behest as he’s wanted this for years. Even though there’s a ceasefire Israel is still bombing Lebanon. The IDF are there and been seen plundering peoples homes, absolutely abhorrent 🥺

In the small number of interviews I've read [in reputable newspapers] people have been frightened angry and hungry - and anti being bombed but who in their position would be entirely open about about how they feel

So as I said who knows

Oh yes
Israel is flattening southern Lebanon and has been throughout the ceasefire
they don’t stop just because others do

Why not use northern Israel for that. Far lower population density there than southern Lebanon
but of course it’s not actually about a buffer zone
Enter…land grab

Hey, guess what? You’re also not supposed to bomb schools - that’s against international law.
They have let those not supporting the war through the straight anyway. However now Trump has blocked their blockade. What a mastermind he is!

This!

Given how many of their own citizens Iran have killed & deliberately maimed, I’m surprised they care!

20,000 protesters killed by the Iranian Regime but let's focus on the 168 killed by a US missile.

And before you come back with the "it's possible to be against two things at the same time " crap, well I'm against dieting and exercise as well as being against being fat but sometimes you have to come down on one side or the other.

A completely separate issue from being attacked by two foreign powers
Thats Very obvious surely 🤷‍♀️

Iran has a right to defend itself as @Plasticdreams says

The US broke the ceasefire
Israels been breaking it from day one but hey…we expect that from them

Trumps just throwing his toys out because of Irans new peace deal.

You can be as crass as you like but clearly both the dead children and the dead protesters are equally important and doubtless much missed and mourned by their parents/families and friends

I hope you don’t think I’m defending the US here. I think the attack on Iran was a typical example of Trump chancing his arm thinking it would all work out within hours or days, and now he’s desperate to get out of it. I’m not a fan.

But even apart from the fact that two wrongs don’t make a right, I’m fairly certain that the school was bombed by mistake. Just as the US bombed several wedding parties and the like in Afghanistan. And that, regrettable as all such mistakes are, they’re still not the same as choosing to commit an illegal act.

Before you start posting your false dichotomy crap... oh whoops, too late, you're already at it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

I can see you're enraged at people seeing through the trick.

Were you hoping to take us for fools?

Might as well read The Sun then if it's even still in circulation

When you say that the US broke the ceasefire do you mean by trying to transit the Straits of Hormuz? Do you think that the US shouldn't have tried to transit the SoH?

Iranian state media, cited their actions as a "result of US military's adventurism to create passage for illegal ship transit" through the Strait of Hormuz.

Yup. UNCLOS is the law that provides for freedom of navigation. Defines territorial waters etc.

The problem here is that of the few nations on earth that have not ratified UNCLOS, and that is small club... both Iran and the US are in it.

Iran and the US have signed UNCLOS, so accept it in principle, but neither have ratified it. And they need to ratify it to be bound by it.

Oman has signed and ratified it. So they are legally bound by it.

It's a point of contention with many nations that the US acts as the worlds policeman, enforcing UNCLOS, but as a state they have not agreed to be bound by it.

I know you know this @logicisall, so just general info for the thread.

As you say, there are two sea lanes in the SoH. One is in Iranian Territorial waters, one is in Oman. But the Oman side is shallower, so deep draft vessels need to use the Iran side, and that complicates things.

And there is stuff about warships that makes it more complex. Because if the US and Iran had ratified it, they need to allow other nations warships the right of free navigation if they are wanting to get somewhere. So likes of the UK and France have to allow Russian warships to Transit the channel. But the warships have to be making innocent passage, and be stood down from combat readiness,

So even if Iran had ratified UNCLOS, it would be their right to stop US combative warships transiting their side. And of course, if the US had ratified it, it would also have to abide by that and not send combative warships in.

If that aint complex enough, it gets worse. Because at time of ratification, states can opt out of certain clauses.

I think you just answered your own question there.

However, one should really be asking why the US was even in the area. It's a hard one to answer, as not even the US appears to know why.

You can take your pick from the various and changing reasons they've given:
*Giving the Iranian people the chance to rise up and topple their government
*Stopping a non existing imminent threat
*Preventing Iran from retaliating as Israel was about to attack them
*Stopping Iran's nuclear programme (international monitors said there wasn't one at the time)
*Destroying Iran's missile and navy capability so it can't wage future wars
*Protecting global shipping using the Strait when there was no problem before
*Countering Iran's influence with proxies
*Securing oil resources

Thank you for your informative post @RedTagAlan I don't think pp questioning Iran's right to blockade the Strait were even aware of the legal intricacies attached to the issue.

I know a bit about UNCLOS cos of a subject I follow. It gets even more complex cos the war rules kick in too.

The thing with UNCLOS is it is a compromise. It has to be to get people to sign it and ratify it. And neither the US or Iran ratified it, so are technically not bound by it.

Other nations, China especially, not only ratified it, but also played a big part in drafting it. But then China decided it did not really like it after all, so decided to interpret it totally different to everyone else.

And it can't be enforced very well. Because it is reciprocal. That is, if one nation breaks it in their waters, then the punishment is to refuse their ships passage in other waters. But in the case of Iran, that is already sanctioned to the hilt, it makes no difference.

That works ok against China. If they refuse a ship passage in their waters (or claimed waters), then Chinese ships get banned from other places.

But really, the US should ratify it. But they wont.

Thanks for that. Yesterday I was watching an aircraft over Oman whose flight appeared to have originated mid sea, then it disappeared entirely!
I must admit that I tend to use Marinetraffic more than Flightradar (unless the Red Arrows are around). Need to do better!