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Conflict in the Middle East

It’s kicking off in Dubai again FlightRadar24

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FUDJTFOTTFEOF · 04/05/2026 16:28

I’m watching an Emirates flight from Seattle circling around trying to land. Sky News are reporting that the sirens have gone off.

F bloody Trump.

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notimagain · 05/05/2026 09:37

@whoamI00

The video contains information such as what is identifiable through satellite data to drone operators or pilots, when the attacks occurred

As far as the school attack goes it's believed it was hit by Tomohawks or similar, so no operators or pilots in the loop...

Once the facility went on the list and it current use wasn't checked it's fate was sealed, even before the weapons were launched.

whoamI00 · 05/05/2026 09:44

notimagain · 05/05/2026 09:37

@whoamI00

The video contains information such as what is identifiable through satellite data to drone operators or pilots, when the attacks occurred

As far as the school attack goes it's believed it was hit by Tomohawks or similar, so no operators or pilots in the loop...

Once the facility went on the list and it current use wasn't checked it's fate was sealed, even before the weapons were launched.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2026/03/08/video-shows-us-tomahawk-missile-strike-next-to-girls-school-in-iran/

Yes, thank you for pointing it out. It may be not accurate to say it's drone operator or pilots. It's "US Tomahawk Missiles". There's a difference between how's targets are determined and how it's executed.

ShockingBritain · 05/05/2026 09:48

1dayatatime · 04/05/2026 19:41

Because the US is trying to get other nations vessels through the Straits, but Iran says that the Straits belong to them.

The Straits are international waters.

logicisall · 05/05/2026 09:52

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 08:41

So take it up with Al Jazeera @logicisall if you think they didn't report the situation accurately.

I gave the source as Al Jazeera reporting what Reuters said.

You've missed the point entirely!

Notonthestairs · 05/05/2026 10:02

RedTagAlan · 05/05/2026 04:37

Yup. UNCLOS is the law that provides for freedom of navigation. Defines territorial waters etc.

The problem here is that of the few nations on earth that have not ratified UNCLOS, and that is small club... both Iran and the US are in it.

Iran and the US have signed UNCLOS, so accept it in principle, but neither have ratified it. And they need to ratify it to be bound by it.

Oman has signed and ratified it. So they are legally bound by it.

It's a point of contention with many nations that the US acts as the worlds policeman, enforcing UNCLOS, but as a state they have not agreed to be bound by it.

I know you know this @logicisall, so just general info for the thread.

As you say, there are two sea lanes in the SoH. One is in Iranian Territorial waters, one is in Oman. But the Oman side is shallower, so deep draft vessels need to use the Iran side, and that complicates things.

And there is stuff about warships that makes it more complex. Because if the US and Iran had ratified it, they need to allow other nations warships the right of free navigation if they are wanting to get somewhere. So likes of the UK and France have to allow Russian warships to Transit the channel. But the warships have to be making innocent passage, and be stood down from combat readiness,

So even if Iran had ratified UNCLOS, it would be their right to stop US combative warships transiting their side. And of course, if the US had ratified it, it would also have to abide by that and not send combative warships in.

If that aint complex enough, it gets worse. Because at time of ratification, states can opt out of certain clauses.

Thank you @RedTagAlani don’t know why people don’t acknowledge the complexity of this issue.

1dayatatime · 05/05/2026 10:13

ShockingBritain · 05/05/2026 09:48

The Straits are international waters.

But as @RedTagAlankindly explained it's not that simple.

But whether you agree or disagree, Iran claims control over the whole of the SoH. And if other countries disagree with this, then the question becomes what are you going to do about it, which currently looks like not a lot.

Twiglets1 · 05/05/2026 10:14

logicisall · 05/05/2026 09:52

You've missed the point entirely!

The point is you asked for my source and the source was Al Jazeera who apparently didn’t quote correctly what Reuters actually said.

Stirabout · 05/05/2026 10:20

RedTagAlan · 05/05/2026 04:37

Yup. UNCLOS is the law that provides for freedom of navigation. Defines territorial waters etc.

The problem here is that of the few nations on earth that have not ratified UNCLOS, and that is small club... both Iran and the US are in it.

Iran and the US have signed UNCLOS, so accept it in principle, but neither have ratified it. And they need to ratify it to be bound by it.

Oman has signed and ratified it. So they are legally bound by it.

It's a point of contention with many nations that the US acts as the worlds policeman, enforcing UNCLOS, but as a state they have not agreed to be bound by it.

I know you know this @logicisall, so just general info for the thread.

As you say, there are two sea lanes in the SoH. One is in Iranian Territorial waters, one is in Oman. But the Oman side is shallower, so deep draft vessels need to use the Iran side, and that complicates things.

And there is stuff about warships that makes it more complex. Because if the US and Iran had ratified it, they need to allow other nations warships the right of free navigation if they are wanting to get somewhere. So likes of the UK and France have to allow Russian warships to Transit the channel. But the warships have to be making innocent passage, and be stood down from combat readiness,

So even if Iran had ratified UNCLOS, it would be their right to stop US combative warships transiting their side. And of course, if the US had ratified it, it would also have to abide by that and not send combative warships in.

If that aint complex enough, it gets worse. Because at time of ratification, states can opt out of certain clauses.

Thanks Redtag
i wasn’t aware of Omans shallow water.
That does explain a lot

Stirabout · 05/05/2026 10:22

ShockingBritain · 05/05/2026 09:48

The Straits are international waters.

No
the narrowest part of the Strait is part Iran and part Oman

Stirabout · 05/05/2026 10:41

GentleSheep · 05/05/2026 09:03

You do understand that Southern Lebanon is where Hezbollah are? That's where they target northern Israel. It would be pretty pointless for them to hang out in the north of Lebanon. That's why Israel are targeting that area. There would be no point to targeting the north!

Edit: too early for me and using 'target' too many times, sorry! 😳

Edited

If Israel need a buffer zone,
which is the excuse they are using, then they should create it on their own land not their neighbours

They have a far lower population density in the north.

This is classic land grab.

Just like Theyve done in Gaza,
the West Bank and the Golan Heights

Its not rocket science

RedTagAlan · 05/05/2026 11:10

Stirabout · 05/05/2026 10:20

Thanks Redtag
i wasn’t aware of Omans shallow water.
That does explain a lot

Yup. I don't think they can have one set lane in and one out. The deeper being on the Iran side, that would be the out lane. Empty in, full out. But the problem is the massive full ships that go in too. The container ships and bulk carriers.

Emilesgran · 05/05/2026 11:46

logicisall · 05/05/2026 07:26

I wouldn't call it a mistake either. It was caused by a lack of concern for 'brown people'. The US, with all the tech at its command, couldn't be arsed to check and just used old data when newer would have shown it was a school they were targetting. I don't think they have ever taken any responsibility for the children's deaths, or apologised.

LOL what on earth makes you think it’s lack of concern for “brown people”? He was exactly the same about the Ukrainians, who are whiter than many Brits.

Personally I suspect that this is all about manipulating oil prices and that Trump and his family and friends are in the process of making themselves richer than anyone can imagine. He announces a change in policy, everyone rushes to buy or sell, then he goes back on it, or announces something else, and again the world rushes to respond. Meanwhile, what are all those odd movements on the markets about, if not people who knew what was going to be announced beforehand?

Stirabout · 05/05/2026 11:52

Emilesgran · 05/05/2026 11:46

LOL what on earth makes you think it’s lack of concern for “brown people”? He was exactly the same about the Ukrainians, who are whiter than many Brits.

Personally I suspect that this is all about manipulating oil prices and that Trump and his family and friends are in the process of making themselves richer than anyone can imagine. He announces a change in policy, everyone rushes to buy or sell, then he goes back on it, or announces something else, and again the world rushes to respond. Meanwhile, what are all those odd movements on the markets about, if not people who knew what was going to be announced beforehand?

@logicisall was talking about the US bombing a school.
Not the SOH

Although I do agree. Trump and his mates are now making a lot of money from insider trading

Emilesgran · 05/05/2026 11:58

Stirabout · 05/05/2026 11:52

@logicisall was talking about the US bombing a school.
Not the SOH

Although I do agree. Trump and his mates are now making a lot of money from insider trading

If someone thinks they bombed a school because they thought Iranians are dark skinned, then I think the person who thinks that is the one with issues. It makes no sense on so many levels. Starting with the fact that Iranians are the original Aryans, and have paler skin than many Americans.

And then there’s the utter military pointlessness and counterproductive nature of bombing a school when they were hoping to trigger an uprising against the regime in place. There was no surer way of getting the locals enraged against the US, which is exactly what they didn’t want to do.

It also makes them look incompetent. Again, hardly a wished-for outcome.

Stirabout · 05/05/2026 12:38

Emilesgran · 05/05/2026 11:58

If someone thinks they bombed a school because they thought Iranians are dark skinned, then I think the person who thinks that is the one with issues. It makes no sense on so many levels. Starting with the fact that Iranians are the original Aryans, and have paler skin than many Americans.

And then there’s the utter military pointlessness and counterproductive nature of bombing a school when they were hoping to trigger an uprising against the regime in place. There was no surer way of getting the locals enraged against the US, which is exactly what they didn’t want to do.

It also makes them look incompetent. Again, hardly a wished-for outcome.

Your second paragraph in your previous post was about the SOH so not relevant
( Hence my comment )
nothing to do with the pps comment about the school.
Hence my post. You do see that

This post however is relevant to theirs.

Emilesgran · 05/05/2026 12:47

Stirabout · 05/05/2026 12:38

Your second paragraph in your previous post was about the SOH so not relevant
( Hence my comment )
nothing to do with the pps comment about the school.
Hence my post. You do see that

This post however is relevant to theirs.

My earlier post was equally relevant, just more generally about the overall idea that this war is in any way affected by Americans’ attitude to “dark skinned” people. In fact, since it was basically the same point but without the detail that applied specifically to the school.

I’m really not sure what point you're making though.

GentleSheep · 05/05/2026 12:50

Stirabout · 05/05/2026 10:41

If Israel need a buffer zone,
which is the excuse they are using, then they should create it on their own land not their neighbours

They have a far lower population density in the north.

This is classic land grab.

Just like Theyve done in Gaza,
the West Bank and the Golan Heights

Its not rocket science

Create a buffer on their own land? Isn't that unreasonable though? Supposing a terrorist group sets up in eastern Wales and starts shooting missiles into the Midlands. Should we move everyone in Herefordshire away from the border, or should we go and try to rout out the terrorists? There's no real easy answer to this and whichever way you look at it there will be loss of life.

You're using 'land grab' to dismiss the fact that those places were/are heavily populated with terrorists (S.Lebanon and Gaza). This is the problem, those terrorists have so infiltrated the local populations that it's nearly impossible to eradicate them without killing innocent people. So... better go back to letting them carry on and terrorise Israel, is that what you're saying?

Notonthestairs · 05/05/2026 12:50

Not sure Pete I-advertise-top-secret-information-to-journalists-by-WhatsApp Hegseath is that bothered by incompetence.

The sheer sloppiness of using AI to determine targets should bother allies & enemies alike.

Particularly given the erratic behaviour of Commander in Chief.

RedTagAlan · 05/05/2026 13:16

Notonthestairs · 05/05/2026 12:50

Not sure Pete I-advertise-top-secret-information-to-journalists-by-WhatsApp Hegseath is that bothered by incompetence.

The sheer sloppiness of using AI to determine targets should bother allies & enemies alike.

Particularly given the erratic behaviour of Commander in Chief.

The admiral guy in the press conference just said they use cutting edge AI.

Notonthestairs · 05/05/2026 13:35

Clearly not that cutting edge if it hadn’t updated in a decade. Seems like a means to delegate responsibility.

RedTagAlan · 05/05/2026 13:39

Notonthestairs · 05/05/2026 13:35

Clearly not that cutting edge if it hadn’t updated in a decade. Seems like a means to delegate responsibility.

AI is not even a decade old surely ?

Notonthestairs · 05/05/2026 13:42

I have no idea when it was invented or first incorporated in to military planning! I do know that school was established in 2016 (open source).

RedTagAlan · 05/05/2026 13:45

Notonthestairs · 05/05/2026 13:42

I have no idea when it was invented or first incorporated in to military planning! I do know that school was established in 2016 (open source).

They are in a court case now, or just were, because the US want to use their AI. These contracts are going out now. The AI they are using is months old. It's untested really.

RedTagAlan · 05/05/2026 13:55

Notonthestairs · 05/05/2026 13:42

I have no idea when it was invented or first incorporated in to military planning! I do know that school was established in 2016 (open source).

Here we go. 4 days ago.

Pentagon strikes deals with 8 Big Tech companies after shunning Anthropic | CNN Business

"Until recently, Anthropic’s Claude was the only AI model available in the Pentagon’s classified network. But President Donald Trump announced the administration would sever ties with the company after Anthropic refused to back down on terms that would allow the military to use Claude for “all lawful purposes,” including autonomous weapons and mass surveillance."

I reckon this is a recipe for disaster. They are wanting to use AI products to do stuff that the makers say NO to. Other makers say OK.

And they are using it to select targets. Wow.

Pentagon strikes deals with 8 Big Tech companies after shunning Anthropic | CNN Business

The Department of Defense announced Friday an agreement with eight major technology companies to use their artificial intelligence tools in its classified networks.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/01/tech/pentagon-ai-anthropic

GentleSheep · 05/05/2026 13:58

RedTagAlan · 05/05/2026 13:39

AI is not even a decade old surely ?

It has been around since the mid 1900s - the first chatbot was made in 1966!