It’s kicking off in Dubai again FlightRadar24

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I’m watching an Emirates flight from Seattle circling around trying to land. Sky News are reporting that the sirens have gone off.

F bloody Trump.

Alarm over, Dubai airport back to normal.

Or at the very least not post whatever he says on as fact.

Because the US is trying to get other nations vessels through the Straits, but Iran says that the Straits belong to them.

How - by sailing through the Straits belong?

Just had a look also. I love flight radar too. What does it mean if details are not available?

Good lord it was a rhetorical question. Iran are retaliating to US declaring war on them (illegally). This is entirely the fault of the US and Israel. Iran is a nightmare regime but this was never going to be a successful way to deal with them. There was no need.

I have no idea what your reply means.

Presumably the Straits could only belong to Iran if they owned the land on both sides though? Same as the Strait of Gibraltar, or the one between England and France (Strait of Dover?), the Strait of Hormuz is supposed to be open to international transit.

Pretty much what it says.

Flightradar doesn't have access to all the info civilian and/or miilitary ATC has, so for example sometimes it won't know where an aircraft is going to (or even fails to log where it has originated).

Also some aircraft have some of their details redacted (e.g. registration), or don't transmit some of their flight data.

Hardly a tantrum. They’ve been attacked illegally and have right to defend themselves.
How would you feel if the U.S. dropped a bomb on your child’s school and killed yhem
and over 200 of their fellow pupils. Would you throw a tantrum?

Iran thinks differently and says the Straits in their entirety belong to them.
The US thinks differently and says they are an international waterway.
So the US tries to cross them and Iran says you can't do that.

Out of interest do you think Iran is justified then for attacking neighbouring countries because the US is sending ships through the Straits of Hormuz?

They have attacked US owned buildings and military bases - that’s what they said they would do if they were to be illegally attacked by the U.S.
The U.S. came in and bombed a school in the first couple of days. How can you justify that?

The straight was open to all before Iran was attacked!

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Not sure where you are getting your news from but here's a simple explanation:

So there was a ceasefire and now there's not a ceasefire.
What caused this change was the US attempting or succeeding in transiting the Straits of Hormuz.

Iran didn't like this because they claim that the Straits are under their control, so retaliated against neighbouring countries.

But that isn't how international law works. That's why I compared it to the Starits of Gibraltar and of Dover. And even if the US is found to have attacked Iran illegally, that doesn't give Iran the right to block the Straits to many other countries that are not actively involved in that attack.

You think it's that simple?
What about territorial water, UNCLOS, uneven depth of water at the Strait of Hormuz?
US and Israel attacked Iran, Iran responded, waging asymmetric war, and realising they had an Ace card in blockading SoH. Trump decided he wanted a joint venture with Iran, charging tolls (when passage was 100% free before the War). Iran said no, but free passage for friendly nations. Trump not happy that he couldn't add toll money to stolen Venezuelan money in his Qatari bank account.

Trump then decided to blockade Iran's blockade but some ships were still getting through, so Trump turned pirate and captured a vessel or two, declaring all the oil was his (during the ceasefire mind). Trump then turned humanitarian and decided that even though the US had already won the war, decimated the Iranian navy, army and obiterated their nuclear capability, he wanted their nuclear dust (because he didn't know how to find an off ramp for the bloody mess he had caused).

So he decided to unblock the blockade of the blockade he had caused, by using the bigly might of the US Navy. They would 'escort' vessels through the Strait, or maybe just advise ships on safe waters to traverse. Iran said, if you do that you will be in direct violation of the ceasefire. Trump then decided to play chicken in the Gulf, and did not respond to Iranian warnings to stop. Gun play ensues.

Then Iran goes back to asymetric warfare by attacking UAE, Trump's cheerleader. So we had Schrodinger's War, Strait, blockade and ceasefire.

Thank you, I'll take my prize in oil shares.

I don't think either side is too fussed about international law. The reality is Iran is saying that the Straits belong to them and if anyone thinks differently then what are they going to do about it.

That's certainly true, but it seems very dangerous for everyone else to be prepared to condone it. That's the end of international law, basically.

.The Strait of Hormuz is not exclusively Iranian territory; it is shared territorial water divided between Iran and Oman, governed by international law.

At its narrowest point, overlapping 12-nautical-mile claims mean all vessels pass through Iranian or Omani territorial waters. Iran controls the northern side, while Oman controls the southern side. 1, 2, 3,
Shared Jurisdiction: The shipping lanes are primarily within Omani territorial waters and partially within Iranian territorial waters.

You know the majority of Iranians welcome the overthrowing of the IRGC ? Even if it has to be by Trump ?

Anyway with all the obsession with the Straits of Hormuz maybe we should also consider other aspects:

https://youtube.com/shorts/RUrfx_OMOok?si=ZxIg91_1GANqgAeE

Brilliant 🤩

oil?? This all we have now.

I would like to see how that was polled.

Even if it has to be by Trump ? Have they seen what is happening in Venezuela? No political change, a Trump puppet in charge, and your oil gets stolen.

How do you 'overthrow' the IRGC? I don't support the Iranian regime in any way but an Iranian acquaintance told me that while they have problems with their government, an attack against their country unites then against the attacker. I understand that other opinions exist.
I just feel sorry for the ordinary people in Iran who are dying and suffering needlessly in this war.