Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

Agree this lies with them entirely and
id like to see sanctions at the least

You start an illegal war you pay for the fall out

No, I didn't mean you. It was more a general observation of MN, I should have made that clearer.

Don’t agree it’s a genocide.Thats a term people use but it hasn’t been decided in a court of law so its just opinion at the moment not a legal definition.

Yes it is worse to murder your own people during peacetime than kill people whilst at war with them. Remember Hamas started the Gaza war not Israel & chose not to make their tunnels available to civilians. Just like the Iranian regime they don’t much care about human life even of their own people.

The Iranian regime are terrorists in the eyes of all the countries that proscribe them and by some that don’t like the UK who sanction them as far as they possibly can.

All the hate you wish world leaders would shower on Israel they turn on the Iranian regime instead. The regime have no allies apart from other despicable despots like Putin.

It looks like Hegseth has now fired the US Army's top uniformed officer, Genral George.

All part of this great plan?

Iran has seen a way to control large parts of the war. Who needs proxies when you can close oil supplies by firing drones snd missiles randomly

Morally @Twiglets1 I don’t really understand how the killing of civilians is “better” in any situation to be honest. Just ordinary people and families going about their lives? What kind of ethics or morals can justify this?

The Iranian regime are truly evil, Trump is deranged I think and Netanyahu well he very clever and evil also. And we are at the mercy of them all. Although thank goodness we aren’t the ordinary civilians being killed. We only have petrol and oil prices to worry about.

If there is a way to make money, the Trumps will try. This from the Sky news feed. My underlining.

"Company backed by Trump sons looks to sell drone interceptors to Gulf countries
A drone maker backed by the two eldest sons of US President Donald Trump is trying to sell interceptors to Gulf countries while they are under attack by Iran.
Florida-based Powerus announced a deal last month to bring Donald Jr and Eric Trump on board, with the company's latest sales drive positioning it to potentially benefit from the war that their father initiated.
Co-founder Brett Velicovich told the Associated Press the company is making sales pitches that include demonstrations in several Gulf countries to show how its defensive drone interceptors could help ward off attacks from Iran.
“We have very incredible tech that can save lives,” said Velicovich.
He refused to name countries where the demonstrations were taking place or give further details."

Quote from @Twiglets1

"The Middle East has been made safer for Israel according to the author, who concludes that Trump sees the war overall as a win:

And in his terms, he may well be right. Iran is undoubtedly weaker. America has not suffered greatly. He has performed a task no American president has shunned — making the Middle East safer for Israel. Moreover, he has never much been concerned about the consequences of his policies for the rest of the world."

The bolded part is what Twiglets wrote, underlined is what Twiglets quoted.

I just do not see this at all. I think it makes it more dangerous for Israel. Simply because of interceptor ammo. There is very little left. Remember, as I posted before from press releases, manufacturing capacity for Patriot interceptors was 600 per year pre war. Western anti missile defences have been getting sucked in from everywhere. Iran are forcing interceptors to be used up.

This also accounts for Lebanon. Because I reckon Israel knew the number of interceptors was a massive risk, so they need a buffer zone in case their Iron dome fails. Once that ammo is gone, Isreal are left open to attack.

On top of this, there is the rest of the world. US military assets out of place. Available assets being worn into the ground ( USS Gerald Ford for example), and this whole thing was totally unplanned from the US point of view. Other US assets are in scheduled maintenance. We see evidence for this with Trump flapping about NATO and other allies.

Trump is a resource vampire. And he is sucking near all the US has available into the mid east. Does he not think the likes of Xi, Putin and Kim notice this ? South Korea or Taiwan ? And remember, who holds the bottleneck for rare earths, those elements that are essential for making anti missile defences.

Around the rest of the world war plans will be drawn up, existing ones revised. If the PRC go for the ROC in the next year or two, as many experts expect anyway, and if the DPRK have a go at the south, what then for Israel ?

Battle of who has most experts coming up ?

This from the Sky news feed:

"US strikes may amount to war crimes, international law experts say
Over 100 international law experts in the US have signed an open letter saying American strikes on Iran may amount to war crimes after Donald Trump reiterated threats to strike desalination and power plants.
In a televised address on Wednesday night, Trump said the war could escalate if Iran didn't give in to Washington's terms, with strikes on energy and oil infrastructure possible.
In the letter, published on the website of the Just Security policy journal, the experts said the conduct of US forces and statements by senior officials "raise serious concerns about violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law, including potential war crimes".
The experts, coming from universities including Harvard, Yale and Stamford, expressed serious concerns about strikes that have hit schools, health facilities and homes, particularly a strike on a girl's school during the war's first day that killed 175, according to the Iranian Red Crescent.
A comment from the US president last month was also among the experts' concerns, where Trump said the US may conduct strikes "just for fun".
It also cited a remark from defence secretary Pete Hegseth in early March, where he said the US does not fight with "stupid rules of engagement"."

So that's 100 US experts saying there may be war crimes. Will we get a letter from 101 other experts now saying totally not war crimes ? Or will these experts be dismissed as IRGC supporters?

For reference, I looked for the letter, and I found a full version at the link below.

Over 100 International Law Experts Warn: U.S. Strikes on Iran Violate UN Charter and May Be War Crimes (justsecurity.org)

Following on from my post above re Iranian munitions V interceptors, this has just been reported on CNN.

"Roughly half of Iran’s missile launchers are still intact and thousands of one-way attack drones remain in Iran’s arsenal despite the daily pounding by US and Israeli strikes against military targets over the past five weeks, according to recent US intelligence assessments, three sources familiar with the intel told CNN."

"Thousands of Iranian drones still exist — roughly 50% of the country’s drone capabilities — two of the sources said the intelligence indicated. The intelligence, compiled in recent days, also showed a large percentage of Iran’s coastal defense cruise missiles were intact, the sources said, consistent with the US not focusing its air campaign on coastal military assets though they have been hitting ships. Those missiles serve as a key capability allowing Iran to threaten shipping traffic in the Strait of Hormuz."

Yes it is from "sources", so not verified. And yes, it is intel so can easily be wrong. However, the Whitehouse does appear to be rather leaky, and the other stories that got recently out went on to be true.

Exclusive: US intelligence assesses Iran maintains significant missile launching capability, sources say | CNN Politics

Why is this even on Mumsnet…. Take your opinions to twitter or I don’t know…. Wine with other housewives 😂

@RedTagAlan More dangerous for Israel now Iran is weaker and less able to support their proxies in Gaza & Lebanon? I don't think so.

Plus Iran is losing (or has lost?) the support of the Gulf states that turned a blind eye to their terrorism until it turned on them.

If you like to refer to "sources" there are those that suggest that behind the scenes, both Saudi Arabia and the UAE have reportedly urged Trump to keep attacking until the job is done. Whatever they might say in public, the Arab states’ true position can be seen by the continued US use of bases in the region.

@RedTagAlan re the CNN report "from three sources" that roughly half of Iran’s missile launchers are still intact and the country still has thousands of drones stockpiled.

The sources also said That evaluation is consistent with a US campaign that has emphasised assaults on ships rather than the missiles, which are the main asset wielded by Iran to threaten shipping in the Strait of Hormuz.

To have destroyed about half of Iran's missile launchers is not insignificant. And of course the war is still ongoing. Although the report (if accurate) does indicate that Trump was exaggerating (shock!) when he asserted that Tehran’s ability to launch attacks had been “dramatically curtailed”.

The Trump administration and the Pentagon denied CNN’s reporting and have announced that their next targets will be bridges and electricity plants.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/04/03/iran-war-latest-news-trump-israel-strait-of-hormuz-missiles/

Israel isn't safer at all, the exact opposite.

They will be facing ad hoc missile attacks for a while yet, long after the US leaves and Trump moves on to another insane project.

Then there will be increases terrorist attacks on Israel and jews worldwide.

What happened to the concern over the Iranians killed by their own Govt? no such concern over the killing of people having picnics, working at an historic medical institute, the destruction of civilian infrastructure... all on a scale Putin could only dream about in Ukraine.
The US/Israel are solidifying the Iranian peoples support for the regime.

Meanwhile the RoW inc us in the UK, will suffer huge economic impacts because of this orange toddlers actions.

‘a large percentage of its coastal defence cruise missiles remain untouched.’

Which will be why the US is trying to goad the UK into taking the literal hits in Hormuz.

duh ... there already were ad hoc attacks on Israel from Iran's proxies.

To reduce the power of Iran's proxies is very good news for Israel.

Oh i missed the Ballistic missile attacks on Israel killing men women and children 5 weeks ago..... duh indeed, why the need to be so rude?

This war is going to make life very bad for Israel over the coming years but far far worse for the Iranians.

Iran used a cluster warhead, from Sky news.

Is this a war crime ?

"Cluster warhead hits central Israel - as figures reveal more than 6,500 Israelis injured since start of war
In the last 24 hours, 148 people have been taken to hospital as a result of the war with Iran, the Israeli health ministry says.
This takes the total number of people hospitalised since the start of the conflict to 6,594, with 124 people currently receiving care.
The ministry does not give a breakdown of the causes of injuries, so some of those taken to hospital may have been treated for injuries sustained while trying to reach a shelter rather than as a direct result of missile fire.
Overnight, there were several impacts in central Israel after Iran fired a cluster warhead.
Emergency services were dispatched to 10 impact sites, with damage reported to homes, roads, and parked cars, but no injuries."

Yes Israel is much safer now....not.

& if intel is correct, Iran has large stockpiles of missiles and drones.... wonder who they will aim these at over the coming the years? let alone give too.

Then there will be "lone wolf" attacks.

Quote :To have destroyed about half of Iran's missile launchers is not insignificant."

For sure. It does rather depend on how many they started with, and how many missile interceptors are left.

And remember, as has been pointed out from the start of this debacle. Russia still has it's factories just across the Caspian. And Trump can't touch them, And it will be difficult for Ukraine to do so as a proxy given that Trump appears to be withdrawing support from them.

Re your comment on Iran supporting Hezbollah and Hamas. This has been discussed at length. How exactly does Iran manage to get missiles and arms to them ?

Do you think Hezbollah will run out if the Iran can’t give them more? If so your last line seems to support the pp.

NY Times

Exactly what they did on the first day on the school in Minab.

Also taking a leaf out of the IDF playbook in Gaza and Lebanon, several emergency workers have been murdered whilst trying to rescue survivors.

It's a level of evil beyond comprehension, the US and Israel are committing war crimes and bragging about it.

Imagine the outrage if the Iranian regime did the same. Hypocrites,

Professor John Mearsheimer was right when he said earlier this week that in the last century we hung perpetrators of such crimes (after trial).

As more comes out from Iran the level of evil is incredible.

More executions, more torture to get false confessions. 1984 style oppression for 47 years.

Poor people.

Made worse by the US and Israel's bombing.

This war is doing nothing to help the Iranian people.