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Conflict in the Middle East

Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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mids2019 · 22/03/2026 12:06

Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

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SSAW2026 · 02/04/2026 13:06

200yearsinthemaking · 02/04/2026 09:38

I think the answer is there for all who have eyes to see.

Trump and Netanyahu are effectively being forced to topple Iran at any cost by background financial backers for land and oil, and after Iran will be other regime changes

Versus

Iran's terms are that they are not attacked any more and that there is a 2 state solution for Palestinians negotiated and that countries including Israel stay within their borders and sanctions are stopped.

I think that public opinion would back the latter, to be honest. And the long term solution is that all world leaders join together to require a change to international law (and to ensure enforcement) to make transparency of funding streams a requirement for non-governmental financiers, and to make it against international law to try to control governments using threats about money markets, sanctions etc.

Simple, really.

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If only it were that simple. If only everyone agreed to do what they said they would. If only.

EasternStandard · 02/04/2026 13:06

TopPocketFind · 02/04/2026 13:04

Regime change hasn't happened so countries will have to negotiate with the current Iran government or do what?

I am going to assume that even EasternStandard doesn't want to involve UK or other countries troops.

Trump has made a fucking mess.

Just go with your views in your posts not what you think mine are.

Notonthestairs · 02/04/2026 13:07

I did ask you 4 hours ago what you would like to see happen in the Strait, Eastern.

RedTagAlan · 02/04/2026 13:10

TopPocketFind · 02/04/2026 13:04

Regime change hasn't happened so countries will have to negotiate with the current Iran government or do what?

I am going to assume that even EasternStandard doesn't want to involve UK or other countries troops.

Trump has made a fucking mess.

Trump says there has been regime change.

Notonthestairs · 02/04/2026 13:11

RedTagAlan · 02/04/2026 13:10

Trump says there has been regime change.

A change of personnel doesnt equal regime change, however he likes to dress it up.

RedTagAlan · 02/04/2026 13:15

Notonthestairs · 02/04/2026 13:11

A change of personnel doesnt equal regime change, however he likes to dress it up.

We both know that, but Trump is the smartest man on the planet, according to him.

TopPocketFind · 02/04/2026 13:16

EasternStandard · 02/04/2026 13:06

Just go with your views in your posts not what you think mine are.

I would if you weren't so reluctant to share them.

If I am wrong in assuming you are against military involvement then please correct me.

EasternStandard · 02/04/2026 13:18

TopPocketFind · 02/04/2026 13:16

I would if you weren't so reluctant to share them.

If I am wrong in assuming you are against military involvement then please correct me.

It’s your posts which put me off answering tbf especially the one below.

Notonthestairs · 02/04/2026 13:20

By referring to the one 'below' - do you mean my post Eastern?

EasternStandard · 02/04/2026 13:23

RedTagAlan · 02/04/2026 12:49

@EasternStandard

Reposting this sorry, because addressed to wrong poster :

Its a Theocracy. As such it is very difficult to say what people want without access and freedom to do polls. There is a religion involved here.
For example. I am 100% against the death sentence. UK government too (by democratic majority). And the EU. And many other countries. Not all. But put me in a bar in a US deep red state in the Bible belt, what would the general reaction be if I get into a conversation about it ? Would I be in the majority or the minority ? Easy to tell, just look at the polls. They execute people. And it's among the evangelicals where most support is. Religion.
The Amish live very limited lives. Oppressed ? Or are they doing the life they want. Ask Amish if they feel oppressed because they can't wear a crop top and miniskirt. Religion.
Now throw them together and add more bits and mix up. You end up with something some find abhorrent, others don't. What percentages, we don't know.
Back to the death sentence. Do you support it ? Maybe for certain crimes ? Would you see that as barbaric ? Or maybe a friend supports the death sentence for cop killers. Are they barbaric ?
All rhetorical questions except one. Do you support the death penalty ?

I don’t support it but I’m not really getting this reasoning re proscription of the IRGC.

I find it easy to look at the Belgium statement below and agree with it, more than that I’m grateful to be in a country that aligns itself with that rather than what it is opposing.

Having looked up and posted the reason the IRGC exists you couldn’t ask Orwell to write something worse 1984 style. It’s self perpetuating and deadlocked and anyone who tries to overturn it gets tortured and killed. That’s as bad as it gets pretty much.

RedTagAlan · 02/04/2026 13:28

EasternStandard · 02/04/2026 13:18

It’s your posts which put me off answering tbf especially the one below.

Ahh. Sounds like "regime fear". Standard in authoritarian states.

You might be in the USA so are understandably worried about putting anything in writing that goes against the regime. In this case Trump. Or it could be fear of when your social media is checked if travelling there.

And no I am not fishing. It's an observation is all.

EasternStandard · 02/04/2026 13:30

RedTagAlan · 02/04/2026 13:28

Ahh. Sounds like "regime fear". Standard in authoritarian states.

You might be in the USA so are understandably worried about putting anything in writing that goes against the regime. In this case Trump. Or it could be fear of when your social media is checked if travelling there.

And no I am not fishing. It's an observation is all.

Ok that’s probably done it 😬 no I’m in the UK I answered your question below.

Twiglets1 · 02/04/2026 14:02

Kassamungo · 02/04/2026 11:36

Again, the same arguments levelled against Iran here could be made about Israel. Many of Israel’s neighbours believe it to be too aggressive and volatile (see Arab Opinion Index 2024-2025). There are also arguments that Israel funded and provided military and intelligence support to proxies — Kurdish proxies in Northern Iraq, clans in Gaza — and provided extensive military and intelligence support to apartheid South Africa (even offering them nuclear warheads).
I guess I am just becoming jaded with the Manichean views of good and evil: we’re the good guys and they’re the bad guys, and we shouldn’t question that narrative. I’ve spent a significant portion of my academic life researching U.S. hegemony and their activities across the globe, and the horrors I’ve read still haunt me.
And whilst I acknowledge the recent statements made by the G7 and the EU, I have come to view such statements as tools of foreign policy without any meaningful ideology at their root. Their opinions of other nation states and their leaders change with the overriding narrative of the day and there are plenty of examples of that (Iraq, Al-Jolani, etc.). I have also tried to expand my own understanding beyond the statements of the G7 and the EU to better understand what the Global South says in relation to world affairs. Together the G7 and EU are a mere 34 out of 195 recognised countries in the world; they are not the oracle. How global affairs, particularly conflict, affect the West is vastly different from how they affect the Global South, which makes up 99 countries with 6 billion people.
Quite frankly, I don’t trust any nation with nuclear weapons not to use them. And of course, the United States is the only nation in history to have actually used atomic weapons with devastating effect - an estimated quarter of a million deaths. And I agree that if those countries that have these weapons didn’t, we should all be fighting to ensure no one got them.
Hopefully the nuclear taboo still holds some value, and of course the logic of MAD too. But we no longer have a New START following the expiry of the existing one earlier this year, and that, together with the renewed focus on proliferation, is deeply worrying.

Some people would say the same arguments could be used against Israel but the majority view seems to be that Israel has in fact already had nuclear weapons for years. The US definitely has had them for years. I don't find it that helpful to look back into the past to say which countries shouldn't have been allowed to develop nuclear weapons (most of them) as we can't change the past.

What we know is that Iran don't have them yet and I am in agreement with all the many people - world leaders and otherwise - who have said they must never be allowed to develop them. Not at least while the current regime is in place.

You and I agree that it would be better if NO countries had them.

Notonthestairs · 02/04/2026 14:09

Trump says they are leaving the nuclear materials in situ so there is no change there.

It seems likely that Iran will be more determined to build a nuclear weapon than previously.

TopPocketFind · 02/04/2026 14:14

From the BBC

Ghoncheh Habibiazad
Senior reporter, BBC Persian

It's still very difficult to contact people inside Iran amid the internet outage, but some have managed to connect using satellite internet such as Starlink and other methods, though it comes at a high cost.

Using or possessing Starlink can lead to up to two years in prison.
I have been asking them what they think about Donald Trump’s threat to take Iran “back to the Stone Ages”.

One woman in her 20s in Tehran says: “In my opinion, this claim is completely unrealistic and impossible. Given its current cultural, demographic, and economic structures, especially considering its historical experience, Iran has a strong capacity for reconstruction.”

Meanwhile, a woman in her 40s in Tehran says: “I hope he won’t do it. I’m worried that he might want to strike all the oil and energy industries and infrastructure and completely destroy them. Rebuilding all of that takes a very long time.”

Alexandra2001 · 02/04/2026 14:16

Notonthestairs · 02/04/2026 14:09

Trump says they are leaving the nuclear materials in situ so there is no change there.

It seems likely that Iran will be more determined to build a nuclear weapon than previously.

Of course and Trump, if he is around then, will say "nothing to do with me" if he can remember who he is.

He is very quickly wrecking the global economy and the lives of the Iranian people, who he said 4 weeks ago, he was going to "Save" now he is preparing to bomb them back to the Stone Age, where he says "they belong"

Evil Evil man, along with Netanyahu, both should be in the Hague, nothing more than a pair of terrorists.

Boolabus · 02/04/2026 14:16

Notonthestairs · 02/04/2026 14:09

Trump says they are leaving the nuclear materials in situ so there is no change there.

It seems likely that Iran will be more determined to build a nuclear weapon than previously.

Trump says they are leaving the nuclear materials in situ

In light of this. Does anyone have any idea or opinions on what the past 3 or so weeks was about? Regime change - nope, nuclear capability - doesn't look like it.
I am absolutely disgusted. How many innocent people have been killed, displaced, lives disrupted, global chaos caused for what? I feel like we're toys to be played with and nothing more to these egomaniacs.

Twiglets1 · 02/04/2026 15:26

Notonthestairs · 02/04/2026 14:09

Trump says they are leaving the nuclear materials in situ so there is no change there.

It seems likely that Iran will be more determined to build a nuclear weapon than previously.

Do you have a source for that please?

Alexandra2001 · 02/04/2026 16:00

Notonthestairs · 02/04/2026 15:37

Commentators and a few News outlets are increasingly calling out Trump for what he is...
Deranged.

Even if some do not believe this, they'd be hard pressed to come up with a plausible alternative on his behavior.

If ever there was a reason to cancel the Kings visit, then this must be it, sucking up to Trump gets the UK no-where, he just forgets what has happened and just focuses on the now, if even that.

Stirabout · 02/04/2026 16:08

Twiglets1 · 02/04/2026 15:26

Do you have a source for that please?

Reuters interview with Trump
April 1st

Twiglets1 · 02/04/2026 16:13

Notonthestairs · 02/04/2026 15:37

Thank you. Good to read more context around the US leaving the nuclear materials in situ which is explained this way: the future strategy against the nuclear programme would involve satellite monitoring and "if we see them make a move, we will hit them with missiles very hard again".

While the article is overall written in critical terms about what the war has achieved, the author does acknowledge some gains from the war, from Trump's perspective.

There have been some further raids on Iran’s nuclear sites (although the potential for reconstitution remains pretty much as it was after the attacks of June last year, according to the author)

The conventional navy has been destroyed and Iran’s missile capacity has been heavily set back and will suffer more damage in the “two or three weeks” of bombing Trump promises are yet to come.

The Middle East has been made safer for Israel according to the author, who concludes that Trump sees the war overall as a win:

And in his terms, he may well be right. Iran is undoubtedly weaker. America has not suffered greatly. He has performed a task no American president has shunned — making the Middle East safer for Israel. Moreover, he has never much been concerned about the consequences of his policies for the rest of the world.

RedTagAlan · 02/04/2026 16:14

Twiglets1 · 22/03/2026 12:56

Why the United Arab Emirates is a target for Iran’s aggression

Airports in both Dubai and Abu Dhabi, residential buildings, hotels in both Emirates, Dubai’s International Financial Center, Jebel Ali Port and the U.S. consulate in Dubai have all been targeted, despite the Iranian government telling CNBC its attacks on Gulf neighbors are limited to U.S. bases in the region.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/03/15/iran-us-war-uae-target-aggression.html

From that article, I think this might be a clue :

"The amount of firepower being sent to the Emirates is significantly higher than that of its Gulf neighbors and almost as much as Israel, which has faced more than 1,000 missiles and drones in the last two weeks from Iran. Strikes on neighboring Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain all remain in the hundreds."

Running down the ammo. It appears to have been the Iranian tactic from day 1. Use the short range missiles to target the most heavily defended places, so the missile interceptors are used up. The US is running very low. Sucking interceptors in from world wide. It does not even matter what Iran targets. Damage is not the intention. The intention is to use up all the US made interceptors . The interceptors can't be replaced.

Once they are used up, Iran pretty much has free reign if they still have missiles.

And of course, the US have put troops in hotels it appears. Safer than on base apparently. Not sure if that is UAE though.

RedTagAlan · 02/04/2026 16:18

Macron. From Sky news feed:

I agree with him.

"Macron: 'Unrealistic' idea to force open Strait of Hormuz would 'take forever'

Emmanuel Macron has dismissed the idea of opening the Strait of Hormuz by force as an unrealistic and never-ending operation.

Donald Trump has told allies to "go to the strait and just take" the fuel they need.
"Some people defend the idea of freeing the Strait of Hormuz by force via a military operation, a position sometimes expressed by the United States, although it has varied," the French president said.

"This was never the option we have supported because it is unrealistic.
"It would take forever, and would expose all those who go through the strait to risks from the guardians of the revolution, but also ballistic missiles.""

EasternStandard · 02/04/2026 16:23

RedTagAlan · 02/04/2026 16:18

Macron. From Sky news feed:

I agree with him.

"Macron: 'Unrealistic' idea to force open Strait of Hormuz would 'take forever'

Emmanuel Macron has dismissed the idea of opening the Strait of Hormuz by force as an unrealistic and never-ending operation.

Donald Trump has told allies to "go to the strait and just take" the fuel they need.
"Some people defend the idea of freeing the Strait of Hormuz by force via a military operation, a position sometimes expressed by the United States, although it has varied," the French president said.

"This was never the option we have supported because it is unrealistic.
"It would take forever, and would expose all those who go through the strait to risks from the guardians of the revolution, but also ballistic missiles.""

He’ll still need a so what we’ll do is…

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