Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

Most do not want more torture and oppression, who would?

There’s a list which has been put up a few times already, just go to who has proscribed the IRGC as a search and you’ll see the EU is the most recent. Amongst others.

This is why

Speaking in Brussels on Thursday, French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot described it as "the most violent repression in Iran's modern history" and said there could be "no impunity for the crimes committed".

Isn't it possible to not want torture and oppresson but also not want your country to be bombed and/or invaded? They are not mutually exclusive.

I’m fine if everyone agrees that the torture and oppression is happening and not wanted.

It doesn’t mean everyone has to agree on what happens next, it’s important it can be separated so the first part isn’t minimised to get to the second.

So what do you think should happen next?

Again, the same arguments levelled against Iran here could be made about Israel. Many of Israel’s neighbours believe it to be too aggressive and volatile (see Arab Opinion Index 2024-2025). There are also arguments that Israel funded and provided military and intelligence support to proxies — Kurdish proxies in Northern Iraq, clans in Gaza — and provided extensive military and intelligence support to apartheid South Africa (even offering them nuclear warheads).
I guess I am just becoming jaded with the Manichean views of good and evil: we’re the good guys and they’re the bad guys, and we shouldn’t question that narrative. I’ve spent a significant portion of my academic life researching U.S. hegemony and their activities across the globe, and the horrors I’ve read still haunt me.
And whilst I acknowledge the recent statements made by the G7 and the EU, I have come to view such statements as tools of foreign policy without any meaningful ideology at their root. Their opinions of other nation states and their leaders change with the overriding narrative of the day and there are plenty of examples of that (Iraq, Al-Jolani, etc.). I have also tried to expand my own understanding beyond the statements of the G7 and the EU to better understand what the Global South says in relation to world affairs. Together the G7 and EU are a mere 34 out of 195 recognised countries in the world; they are not the oracle. How global affairs, particularly conflict, affect the West is vastly different from how they affect the Global South, which makes up 99 countries with 6 billion people.
Quite frankly, I don’t trust any nation with nuclear weapons not to use them. And of course, the United States is the only nation in history to have actually used atomic weapons with devastating effect - an estimated quarter of a million deaths. And I agree that if those countries that have these weapons didn’t, we should all be fighting to ensure no one got them.
Hopefully the nuclear taboo still holds some value, and of course the logic of MAD too. But we no longer have a New START following the expiry of the existing one earlier this year, and that, together with the renewed focus on proliferation, is deeply worrying.

The UK is not on that list. It is far from everybody.

I’m not sure why that matters so much. Hopefully whatever is stalling that will be removed and they’ll be added.

Do you think it’s a bad thing that they are proscribed?

If there is undue external pressure put on countries to agree with one narrow narrative which serves only a small group and distorts things along the way, then it makes the whole thing a bit meaningless, is the problem.

Trump has said that they will leave the nuclear material where it is.

So - after a delay - the nuclear programme will begin afresh with a regime even more committed to that end. Israel/US will bomb again.

And round we go.

from the Times -
"the Iran war will not solve the problems of the Middle East, and Europe and Asia will pick up the economic cost. But Trump will not care that much, any maybe in the end the US voters won't either"

Going back to this statement

Speaking in Brussels on Thursday, French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot described it as "the most violent repression in Iran's modern history" and said there could be "no impunity for the crimes committed".

I’m happy to live where that judgement can be made, given that we use the terror laws too even if slower on the IRGC.

I can see why some wouldn’t want to be on the wrong side of that but there’s no way I’d swap for the system we have for the reality Iranian / Persian women have rn. No chance. I hope they can be free of it too.

Its a Theocracy. As such it is very difficult to say what people want without access and freedom to do polls. There is a religion involved here.

For example. I am 100% against the death sentence. UK government too (by democratic majority). And the EU. And many other countries. Not all. But put me in a bar in a US deep red state in the Bible belt, what would the general reaction be if I get into a conversation about it ? Would I be in the majority or the minority ? Easy to tell, just look at the polls. They execute people. And it's among the evangelicals where most support is. Religion.

The Amish live very limited lives. Oppressed ? Or are they doing the life they want. Ask Amish if they feel oppressed because they can't wear a crop top and miniskirt. Religion.

Now throw them together and add more bits and mix up. You end up with something some find abhorrent, others don't. What percentages, we don't know.

Back to the death sentence. Do you support it ? Maybe for certain crimes ? Would you see that as barbaric ? Or maybe a friend supports the death sentence for cop killers. Are they barbaric ?

All rhetorical questions except one. Do you support the death penalty ?

Nobody is asking you to go and live in Iran, we are asking you what you think will be a solution for opening the Strait and stop Trump bombing Iran 'back to the Stone Age'

I was answering the pp related to their post thanks.

But you have thought about what you would like to happen?

I had then kept seeing posts like this.

Have you quoted the wrong poster? I haven't said anything about the deaths penalty and I am not sure how the rest of your post relates to mine?

I have sorry. I was for @EasternStandard

Sorry

Macron thinks any military operation to open up the Strait would be unrealistic.

This is a problem for the US and Israel to resolve. If they aren't interested in Asia and Europe, they should be interested in what their Middle Eastern allies think.

Important to note that proscription of the IRGC doesn't preclude diplomacy with Iran. Which the article you selected that quote from sets out:

"Speaking in Brussels on Thursday, French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot described it as "the most violent repression in Iran's modern history" and said there could be "no impunity for the crimes committed".

France had previously been seen as hesitant to add the IRGC to the EU's terror list over fears this could put an end to all diplomatic ties with Iran.

But it changed course on Wednesday, coming out strongly behind a push to blacklist the group, which was led by Italy.

"Any regime that kills thousands of its own people is working toward its own demise," Kallas said in a brief statement on social media.

She said she expected diplomatic channels to remain open with Iran, even after adding the IRGC to its list of groups involved in acts of terrorism"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20gypw8enjo

@EasternStandard

Reposting this sorry, because addressed to wrong poster :

Its a Theocracy. As such it is very difficult to say what people want without access and freedom to do polls. There is a religion involved here.
For example. I am 100% against the death sentence. UK government too (by democratic majority). And the EU. And many other countries. Not all. But put me in a bar in a US deep red state in the Bible belt, what would the general reaction be if I get into a conversation about it ? Would I be in the majority or the minority ? Easy to tell, just look at the polls. They execute people. And it's among the evangelicals where most support is. Religion.
The Amish live very limited lives. Oppressed ? Or are they doing the life they want. Ask Amish if they feel oppressed because they can't wear a crop top and miniskirt. Religion.
Now throw them together and add more bits and mix up. You end up with something some find abhorrent, others don't. What percentages, we don't know.
Back to the death sentence. Do you support it ? Maybe for certain crimes ? Would you see that as barbaric ? Or maybe a friend supports the death sentence for cop killers. Are they barbaric ?
All rhetorical questions except one. Do you support the death penalty ?

The IRGC is incredibly powerful. When it tortures or executes there’s no other part of the state that steps in.

Looking it up

Yes, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps(IRGC) is a core part of the Iranian state, serving as an elite ideological military branch mandated by the constitution to protect the 1979 Islamic Revolution. It acts as a primary military entity, separate from the regular army, that answers directly to the Supreme Leader.
Council on Foreign Relations

• Constitutional Role: Established post-revolution to protect the Islamic system, holding vast operational control over military, economic, and political sectors.

So the question is given their power how long would someone who thinks they can negotiate anything without their approval last?

As ever, I will answer your questions when you do me the courtesy of answering mine. Which so far on this thread you have ignored!

I don’t mind. It was rhetorical anyway. Most can see what happens to those who go against the IRGC, they wouldn’t last.

Regime change hasn't happened so countries will have to negotiate with the current Iran government or do what?

I am going to assume that even EasternStandard doesn't want to involve UK or other countries troops.

Trump has made a fucking mess.