Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

[mids2019]

Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

Are you honesty, seriously suggesting there is a Western media bias in favour of Iran and against Israel?

If that's what you think, then that's your view, but it flies in the face of the very obvious.

War is bad, people get hurt. That's how people express sympathy for civillians. I think we've learnt that over the past few years. Your too emotional, you just don't understand war. That's what I've been told. So I've taken the time and learnt about the use of cluster munitions and that Israel are pro their use, I've decided not be emotional about it as advised and just accept that war is bad, people get hurt, it's awful but that's war.

I thought that pro war posters would be glad that we are evolving and not letting those pesky emotions get in the way.

I was talking more specifically about the MN community.

Western media bias I do feel is generally against Israel.

It also tends to be against Iran though. I haven't seen many people defend the actions of the regime in mainstream Western media.

On MN there seem quite a few posters who don't want to criticise anything Iran does though and most had zero to say against them even while they were slaughtering their own civilians.

Yes war is disgusting and it’s always the innocent that suffer the most. I think we have a skewed perception of this in that the war that most of us studied the most of in school and the war that most of us grew up knowing someone who served (ww2) was a huge anomaly in that there was a clear right and wrong side. This is not usually the case and I truly believe that once you cause the death or suffering of children you forfeit your right to be considered the ‘good guys’.

Obviously I know British bombs would have killed German children in WW2 - I more mean tha because of the holocaust people consider the allies to have had the moral high ground. Either way war is shit, the most vulnerable always suffer more than those high up making decisions.

Do you feel like you are unbiased?

Sounds like point scoring and in addition I don't recognise the term "pro war".

I don't feel like any of us are pro war - as you say people get hurt.

Diplomatic solutions are always the goal and I felt very ambivalent when I read about the US and Israel starting this war. I feel like I understand why they felt they needed to do it though.

I hoped a diplomatic resolution could be reached soon and I would still be very happy to hear that one had been agreed so that the war could stop.

No - I can recognise my own bias but it's my belief that we all have bias whether conscious or unconscious.

It's good to recognise your own bias so I hope you have too.

Sorry, but the idea that 'Western media is biased against Israel' is just not borne out by the facts.

Just imagine (god forbid) that Hamas had somehow found the apparatus to kill 100,000 Israelis, a majority women and children. Do you think there would be multiple newspapers, TV channels, and other media outlets and commentators still cheering them on? Because that's what Israel still benefits from, even after all it's done.

You mention this on every thread

Who are these media outlets that are still cheering Israel on? Perhaps you could point to a mainstream Western media outlet that is cheering Israel on.

Israel has received a lot of condemnation for the deaths of civilians in the Gaza war and this has been reported and discussed endlessly.

Maybe you feel the world has gone silent on Gaza now? Partly it has and that's because the gaze of the media has turned to the Iran war now. That's just how the media works and not specific to Israel.

Fox News
The Daily Mail
The Daily Express
The Telegraph
GB News
The Sun

All these remain pro-Israeli in their outlook, despite everything

So basically, most of the Western media.

It's not surprising. Israel are our allies. We fund them, we supply them with weapons.

But it's BS to suggest anything else.

Well clearly the rules have changed according to @mids2019 who stated "Iran have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military" which is exactly what Israel has done for two years (and the decades before) without any condemnation from many posters .

So forgive me for finding this thread absolutely disgusting after spending two years reading the posts on here after every time a church, refugee tent, school, hospital, ambulance etc has been bombed resulting in thousands of deaths.

No Israeli civilians should also die or be injured at the hands of a foreign government.

Pro war as opposed to the posters here who are mostly pro Palestinian who were anti this war and were called pro Iranian regime and don't you even care about Iranian women for being anti all of this death and destruction that has been wraught on multiple countries across the Middle East.

I think people are thoroughly sick of being told when they have to perform and when they need to shut up. Shut up about all of the dead Palestinians. Why aren't you talking about Iranians. Shut up about Israel bombing Lebanon. Why aren't you talking about Iran bombing Israel. Accused of being obsessed with Israel but why aren't you talking about Israel. I'm sick of it. War is bad, people get hurt covers it all really doesn't it.

The only one of those I read is the Telegraph.

Agree the Telegraph has a pro Israel bias but not so extreme that they are cheering Israel on, which is the term you used. No one is doing that! (edited to say - maybe GB news are doing that, I don't know as I don't watch them but I understand they are quite extreme).

To me it seems like there are more sources in the UK who have an anti Israel bias, such as the Guardian, the Independent, Sky and the BBC.

Israel is not surprised. Thats why they have the Iron Dome and bomb shelters everywhere. And contrary to what a few posters are saying, of course Israel cares about its own citizens. Unlike the Iranian regime and Hamas who not only kill Israeli citizens indiscriminately, they also kill their own citizens by shooting them in the streets or hanging them for opposing God.

Which regime texts and calls civilians in the area to warn them to leave before bombing them? Which regime practices 'roof knocking'?
And which regimes show absolutely no regard for the lives of their own citizens along with no regard for the enemy's citizens?

The false equivalency and distortion is once again off the charts.

The best thing @AStonedRose is to stick to reputable sources of information that will at least make some attempt to present the news with a high degree of accuracy.

Include the Telegraph in that and the BBC despite they both seem to me to have bias either pro or against Israel.

Sorry, no. Sky is blatantly pro-Israeli. The BBC tries to walk a tightrope and gets accused by both sides of being biased in the favour of the other.

The Independent scarcely exists at this point.

Your contention was that the Western media was biased in favour of Palestine and against Israel. I don't mean to be rude but it's utterly ridiculous

It works both ways. If you support Israel then you get accused of not caring about women and children dying.

Shut up about Hamas attack on 7/10/23 ...
Shut up about terrorist organisations committed to destroying Israel ...
Shut up about the Iranian regime killing their own people...

I agree with your last sentence though - war is bad, people get hurt covers it all really.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this point because I don't see Sky as pro Israeli at all.

And the BBC is biased against Israel whatever they say, especially Jeremy Bowen.

What is wrong about the statement by mids though that "Iran have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military"

It seems factually correct to me.

This thread is about Iran; there are dozens of older ones about Israel.

It has been reported that Iran is going to increase its propaganda and this will I am sure going to try abd minimise the extent of its terrorist activity in the region.

I mean Iran has targeted British bases so it is starting to draw us into the war. Time to stand with our allies in the region I think.

I think it's pretty reasonable to point out the hypocrisy of criticising Iran for doing exactly what our allies are. To be clear, the specific complaint is targeting civilians, including by using cluster bombs.

Both are as bad as each other. But only one is our ally, and only one is using munitions that we've supplied.

You're not the thread police. That's not how it works, I'm afraid.

Can you really not see the hypocrisy of highlighting this and the OP with their past posting history creating a thread about civilians being targeted when posters on this forum have been shouted down for pointing this out on previous occasions?

And you literally opened up your posting by saying "Doubt any of the pro Pals are going to care" so it's a bit disingenuous to be policing the thread now.

The fact is Iran is deliberately now going to target civilian targets including through international terrorism. As I have said previously if the US or Israel were committed to targeting civilian targets they obviously could but don't.

Israel and the US could use carpet bombing tactics over Tehran if wanted to.....they don't. There is a difference.

It is a sad and I do feel maybe there is a point where we have to pick a side. I am from the UK and I know our based have been targeted, espionage aimed at our nuclear defences and fuel bills rising due to attacks on energy infrastructure by Iran.

At the end of the day Iran is an enemy country not an ally like other countries in the gulf.