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Conflict in the Middle East

Trump throwing a lot of people under the bus because of stock markets?

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mids2019 · 10/03/2026 07:33

When you start a war you finish it in my opinion. There has been no other war that has been stopped because of a slide on the Dow Jones or an oil price spike. For Trump to now prematurely call an end to the war simply because of economics will simply mean IIrans drone terrorism has worked.

The people of Iran will be left with a job half done without the space needed for an uprising.

A new leader with good reason to ideological hate Israel and the US will realise the only method of future deterrence of Iran is through acquiring a nuclear weapon as their conventional weapons were obliterated. Iran will now do everything possible to acquire such a weapon.

This is a time for resolve Mr. President. There is still a chance to destroy this regime maybe with limited target ground troop assaults. The world actually will be safer if you continue.

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EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 16:12

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:07

I don't understand what you are asking?

Who favours the IRGC in terms of trust?

Edited

With the two sides in negotiations there’s a fair few posters saying they doubt the 11 weapons statement. And focusing on the US

But not much on the IRGC

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:13

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:05

The link I shared earlier made it quite clear how ill prepared Witkoff was in the negotiations.

Worth remembering that he relied on Kremlin translators in his Russia negotiations.

Why should I trust your link?

What's wrong with an American person relying on Kremlin translators for Russia negotiations?

logicisall · 13/03/2026 16:20

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 16:06

These posts seem to favour the IRGC in terms of trust, what makes you and others do so?

Edited

You are very wrong. These posts are to persuade people to analyse and evaluate the content they quote and to be aware of bias and spin.

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2026 16:21

I note the lack of concern regarding the boost to Putin & Russia’s economy.

So all things being equal I suppose I’m free to suggest that some posters ‘trust’ Russia and are not concerned about peace in Europe.

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:23

logicisall · 13/03/2026 16:20

You are very wrong. These posts are to persuade people to analyse and evaluate the content they quote and to be aware of bias and spin.

Pretty much all sources have some bias.

The source you posted - the Arms Control Association has a left wing bias.

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 16:23

logicisall · 13/03/2026 16:20

You are very wrong. These posts are to persuade people to analyse and evaluate the content they quote and to be aware of bias and spin.

That’s fine. There’s nothing wrong with looking at content but there is another potential threat which is pretty big. And that’s the IRGC.

I haven’t seen the same analysis of their actions and propaganda.

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:23

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 16:12

With the two sides in negotiations there’s a fair few posters saying they doubt the 11 weapons statement. And focusing on the US

But not much on the IRGC

I would say that the IRGC is not be trusted and that US negotiators nedd to be well prepared going into negotiations

What do you think seeing you brought it up?

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:25

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:13

Why should I trust your link?

What's wrong with an American person relying on Kremlin translators for Russia negotiations?

You don't have to trust any link, I suggest that you check their background;

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 16:27

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:23

I would say that the IRGC is not be trusted and that US negotiators nedd to be well prepared going into negotiations

What do you think seeing you brought it up?

I think you’re right with your first line, seems a good summary.

logicisall · 13/03/2026 16:28

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:13

Why should I trust your link?

What's wrong with an American person relying on Kremlin translators for Russia negotiations?

One of the first things that Hitler did was make people so distrustful that they would question everything and thus be unable to trust the truth. Trump's WH is following this playbook.

Try to answer your own question on the benefits of using a Kremlin interpreter over an independent and unbiased one. Why not use a US one? Would you trust a Kremlin one more?

quantumbutterfly · 13/03/2026 16:28

logicisall · 13/03/2026 15:26

This latest war instigated by Israel and the US has probably proven to Iran why their strategy of not having nukes has cost them.

Ukraine has evidence as to why it came to the same conclusion a while ago.

Although rumour has it that Russia had the launch codes to the nukes in Ukraine.
opencanada.org/the-myth-of-ukraines-nuclear-deterrent/

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2026 16:29

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:23

Pretty much all sources have some bias.

The source you posted - the Arms Control Association has a left wing bias.

Overall, we rate the Arms Control Association Left-Center biased based on editorial and policy advocacy that slightly favors the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact-check record.

From mediabiasfactcheck.com

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 16:31

logicisall · 13/03/2026 16:28

One of the first things that Hitler did was make people so distrustful that they would question everything and thus be unable to trust the truth. Trump's WH is following this playbook.

Try to answer your own question on the benefits of using a Kremlin interpreter over an independent and unbiased one. Why not use a US one? Would you trust a Kremlin one more?

This is too one sided for me. The IRGC does this but actively silences or kills any opposition within its own country.

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2026 16:32

Good grief, the idea that the US wouldn't use their own translator rather a Kremlin employee is surely madness.

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2026 16:32

EasternStandard · 13/03/2026 16:31

This is too one sided for me. The IRGC does this but actively silences or kills any opposition within its own country.

As does Putin.

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:33

@logicisall You are distrustful - your immediate response to what Witkoff reported was:

There is no independent confirmation that Iranian negotiators actually said this, and Iran has not acknowledged it.

So you won't believe comments made by US negotiators unless Iran confirm them? Like they are more believable? I don't think so.

logicisall · 13/03/2026 16:34

The source you posted - the Arms Control Association has a left wing bias.

What is the bias of your source for the Witkoff quote?

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:34

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2026 16:29

Overall, we rate the Arms Control Association Left-Center biased based on editorial and policy advocacy that slightly favors the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact-check record.

From mediabiasfactcheck.com

Times of Israel is rated similar

Overall, we rate the Times of Israel as Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them as Mostly Factual rather than High due to one-sided pro-Israel reporting regarding Palestine.

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:35

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2026 16:29

Overall, we rate the Arms Control Association Left-Center biased based on editorial and policy advocacy that slightly favors the left. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact-check record.

From mediabiasfactcheck.com

As I said, left wing biased.

So remember your own sources are biased too when you tell others to be aware of bias

Notonthestairs · 13/03/2026 16:36

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:35

As I said, left wing biased.

So remember your own sources are biased too when you tell others to be aware of bias

Think you are attributing quotes to me.

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:36

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:34

Times of Israel is rated similar

Overall, we rate the Times of Israel as Left-Center biased based on editorial positions that slightly favor the left. We also rate them as Mostly Factual rather than High due to one-sided pro-Israel reporting regarding Palestine.

Edited

Yes they are.

It's my opinion that all sources are biased to some degree.

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:38

logicisall · 13/03/2026 16:20

You are very wrong. These posts are to persuade people to analyse and evaluate the content they quote and to be aware of bias and spin.

@Notonthestairs

It was @logicisall who made the post about being aware of bias and spin, not you.

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:39

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:36

Yes they are.

It's my opinion that all sources are biased to some degree.

You asked why you should trust the link, answers were given.

Twiglets1 · 13/03/2026 16:46

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 16:39

You asked why you should trust the link, answers were given.

I don't trust the link because I know nothing about the site and it does have an obvious left wing bias.

I accept that other posters trust Iran over US negotiators to the degree that they don't accept Witkoff is telling the truth because Iran haven't confirmed it.

I find it a strange stance personally but that's my own bias showing in that I trust the US negotiators over Iranian negotiators.

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