Trump throwing a lot of people under the bus because of stock markets?

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When you start a war you finish it in my opinion. There has been no other war that has been stopped because of a slide on the Dow Jones or an oil price spike. For Trump to now prematurely call an end to the war simply because of economics will simply mean IIrans drone terrorism has worked.

The people of Iran will be left with a job half done without the space needed for an uprising.

A new leader with good reason to ideological hate Israel and the US will realise the only method of future deterrence of Iran is through acquiring a nuclear weapon as their conventional weapons were obliterated. Iran will now do everything possible to acquire such a weapon.

This is a time for resolve Mr. President. There is still a chance to destroy this regime maybe with limited target ground troop assaults. The world actually will be safer if you continue.

Witkoff.... why don't they, at least, send a fresh face? Witkoff was on the last set of "negotiations"

Starmer condemned Iran's retaliation without saying a word about America starting an illegal war. As far as I'm aware the Spanish PM, Pedro Sanchez is the only European leader to condemn the US. Even Ireland's Taoiseach, Micheál Martin was mealy mouthed about "all parties" exercising restraint.

We are allowing bombing raids to fly from the UK. The road around RAF Fairford has been closed and screening has been attached to the fences so that no one can film US planes being loaded with bombs.

BelleHathor

It's victim blaming and bullying with a colonial tinge of "get back in your box"

100% this. I'm mystified why one rule for us and another for them isn't obviously unjust to people. We never stopped being a colonial power, we just found different ways to dominate and exploit.

Whilst we might all want Starmer to say more, we are not in the EU, Trump can and would punish us with Tariffs, even stop sales of LNG to the UK.

Starmer is having to deal with a POTUS who probably has some form of cognitive failure, surrounded by far right "advisors"

So far he is treading the correct path.

I understand the point you are making, he looked like a rabbit caught in headlights yesterday, however I don't think he needed to condemn Iran, it looks like we think the US was justified. I'm still not sure he will keep the UK out of it.

Does the way the IRGC treat its people especially women and what they’d do with greater weapons not concern you?

As favourably as some view them it’s not returned, we’d likely be a target.

The IRGC is still firmly in place and Trump isn't looking to change that.

The US is now solely focused on opening the strait of Hurmaz

I’m still interested in @FOJNpov on how the people are treated and potential threat to us.

Yes he has an unfortunate demeanor.

We wont get pulled in, we just haven't the resources, thanks to previous defence cuts and the export of munitions to Ukraine.... who might will be the biggest losers in all of this, along with the rest of Europe.

UK/EU need to come to their own arrangements with Iran, the US is too unreliable.

It's a moot question though, nobody has denied that the regime is horrible and that they don't pose a threat.

And it doesn't look like that is changing.

No it’s not, I’m not asking for your views on this. I’m interested given the pp posts on a form of colonialism what they think.

6 minutes between your posts, give me a chance.

We've had this exchange before. Why do you think it's some sort of gotcha? What do you think I'm going to say? I approve of the oppression of women? Shooting protesters is a perfectly reasonable way to restore order?

You have never explained why overthrowing the Iranian government is our business but we trade with other equally authoritarian regimes. Regime change wars, regardless of what we think of the regime, are against international law. We have to respect that or we could find a more powerful nation trying to overthrow our government because it suits them.

I'm less concerned about what the Iranian government might do with their weapons than I am about what terrorist groups in the region might do with them if we destabilise the country to the point that weapons security cannot be maintained. I would have preferred us to negotiate in good faith so we could have taken their enriched uranium and got a commitment they wouldn't develop nukes. They were willing but we chose a war. Don't ask me if I'm concerned when the very assurances you seem to be seeking were on the table and the negotiators walked away choosing to kill school children with bombs instead of securing a deal.

Are you concerned that Israel has undeclared, uninspected nuclear weapons AND the Samson option?

You never address these concerns although your questions have been answered multiple times by multiple posters. I will not answer them again so don't ask.

You can take time it was more the pp answering twice for you.

It’s not a gotcha, it’s based on your posts re a form of colonialism and the west. I found them interesting and see you feel strongly but I don’t see it the same way.

If it was just oppression and not potential threat I’d feel the same about what the IRGC are doing, there have been previous student protests 1999, 2009 and now, in turn they use brutality. I feel bad for them and imagine having dc there at that age. I do want the Iranian people to thrive not the IRGC though who are oppressive. But if it was just that then sadly yes people probably would look away.

As for threat, no I’m not concerned about those with nuclear weapons currently as they haven’t used them, I think the pp on the IRGC ideology and weapons resonates.

I wasn't answering for @FOJN , I was curious where you wanted to go with that question

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/mar/23/bets-us-iran-ceasefire-show-signs-of-insider-knowledge-say-experts-polymarket

Reuters

Oil has pushed back above $100 as strikes continue and the Strait of Hormuz remains shut. Hear how energy markets are pricing the risk of a longer conflict on the Morning Bid podcast https://reut.rs/4rPxa5a

Are you concerned that Israel has undeclared, uninspected nuclear weapons AND the Samson option?

Pertinent question especially since it's widely acknowledged that during the 1973 Yom Kippur war, after running out of weapons and facing advances by their adversaries, Israel started preparing to use their nuclear weapons.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/israel-nearly-went-nuclear-win-1973-yom-kippur-war-172087

Convicted spy Jonathan Pollard spoke about it in an interview he gave last year:

They should have issued at least an statement on the legality of it and asking for a ceasefire. Though I understand Europe not rushing to defend Iran. The Iranian government is not innocent. I had not realiased that they had not officially denounced or at least questioned the legality. I missed that indeed. Bias from my part,most likely.
But they have not sent practical help. Which speaks volumes. Most of them are part of NATO. It is like asking Iran to condemn Putin.
The Spanish Prime Minister did set a different tone, indeed. He was so bold! But he was threatened straight away! Just protected by the EU.
I think, though, Trump is going to be spoken to in these terms from now onwards. And may be met officially, surrounded by journalists and followed by sharp difficult statements and "jokes".

It is a difficult line, diplomatically.
But.. UK has not bombed Iran. I think this is the first US war where UK is not actively involved in my lifetime.
In my memory, everytime US was at war, UK was there, with them, at the front line. Not what Trump remembers though.

Are you as disturbed about news of the Israeli police torturing a toddler in front of his father to extract a confession?
What about the charges being dropped against 5 IDF soldiers who were recorded gang raping a Palestinian man who needed rectal surgery for his injuries? Does it bother you that to complain they are not being held accountable is labelled "blood libel"?
Are you concerned about the expansionist agenda of the Israeli regime? They are currently bombing civilian infrastructure in Lebanon, cutting people off from access to food and water. Nothing new for a genocidal regime.
You can do your own Google searches rather than ask for links.

When you say the Iranian government is not innocent can you tell me what they did to provoke America to start an illegal war with them? We don't have to approve of them but you can't just start a war because you don't like the way a country is governed. They were at the negotiating table wrt to weapons, what else do you think they should have done? They have retaliated against an attack, do you think they should have done nothing?

David Cameron lost the vote in parliament on joining US military action in Syria. Hilary Benn's speech against it was quite remarkable.

I fully agree with you.

They have not acted in any way that justified US attack. And they should have carried on with the nuclear program negotiations. We would be much better then.
What I was referring to is:

They are blamed for supporting Hezbollah and Hamas. Being the 7th of October and the constant rockets into Israel actions perpetrated by these groups. Which does not, ever, justify the actions of the Netanyahu's government and the IDF. Neither in Gaza, West Bank or Lebanon. Neither explains why there is not a Palestine State, which there should be. Followed by peace.

And the Iranian regime has tortured, killed and mistreated their own citizens who do not fit with their ideals. Most prominently on the recent demonstrations, according to observers.
Neither one of the 3 parties involved in this war are innocent, as my view, taking into account their recent behaviours.
But, of course, I fully agree no country can just start a war like this. Particularly during productive talks.

People don"t respond to "in a controlled way", that is what has happened for years as the government printed money to save people from ever having to face a consequence for their actions, people only respond and stop doing things when they are stopped, people who drive all the time because they think it is their birthright stop when they can"t afford to fill the tank, people who thought making stupid offers on basic property with nearly free debt tokens and ruining a whole generation of young people who have to live with their parents stop when they can"t afford the monthly mortgage debt payments, it is basic human nature.

I think it is the banks and politicians and huge corporations who cannot face the consequences of their actions, so they are far too pampered.
I do not see how this has anything to do with the regular citizen.
For example, we recycle, we wait for 3 weeks to have our bins emptied, we time showers, reduce the temperature of the heating, reduce the temperature in the washing machine, stop using tumble dryers, many more people cycle these days, use recycable cups, stop using plastic tat...
In 4 weeks this war has seen more pollution than all our efforts put together could offset. Nobody has mentioned the carbon footprint of this.

It is the ordinary people who borrow the money that keeps it all going, who vote for the politicians, who buy the products the corporations make and promote, if the public cut up their credit cards the whole game would change overnight.