Trump throwing a lot of people under the bus because of stock markets?

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When you start a war you finish it in my opinion. There has been no other war that has been stopped because of a slide on the Dow Jones or an oil price spike. For Trump to now prematurely call an end to the war simply because of economics will simply mean IIrans drone terrorism has worked.

The people of Iran will be left with a job half done without the space needed for an uprising.

A new leader with good reason to ideological hate Israel and the US will realise the only method of future deterrence of Iran is through acquiring a nuclear weapon as their conventional weapons were obliterated. Iran will now do everything possible to acquire such a weapon.

This is a time for resolve Mr. President. There is still a chance to destroy this regime maybe with limited target ground troop assaults. The world actually will be safer if you continue.

Oh so you advocate Regime Change etc without a clue on what you re talking about.....

Thank goodness we now know this....

Sorry. Typo. I meant "can't have".

So does the G7 only say only Iran can't have/ should be prevented/ can't be allowed to......

Or is it more of a general position?

Is there anyone the G7 WANTS to have nukes ?

I said up thread Iran shouldn't get a Nuclear weapon, my point is "Is the current strategy, by Trump, working? or is it just going to make matters worse?"

Iran is going to go full steam ahead to get a Nuke now because that guarantees it wont be bombed by the USA again.

They'll be aided by the Russians and Chinese who at the very least will provide them with the finances to build a N. Bomb.

This is a discussion, no one needs to have access to 'reports etc to have an opinion.... or ideas, thats how it works.

Talks now happening between several countries trying to de-escalate....

It’s just them that can’t. I don’t think any statement has been issued for others. They likely correctly assess they’d be the only ones who would use them.

Who is happy about a 'win by Iran'?

Are you reading the same threads as everyone else?

It's wild, also look at the Asian Markets today, Nikkei down 3.4% so far, KOSPI (South Korea) down nearly 6%.

I keep thinking of the "Buy in the dip" bros, where to enter and exit.

The only thing that doesn't make it funny, is that money will have to be printed to cover these spreads, the economic blowback is going to be historic and we'll all be poorer for it, especially in the developing world.

People against this ill judged war are often accused of being happy about "a win by Iran". It's not the same.

And once Iran has them other countries in the region will feel they need them for deterrence too.

No one needed a MENSA qualifying IQ to understand where American aggression would lead. Iran will not negotiate again because they've been bombed twice when they tried.

Yep and I think there’ll be some triumph over Trump losing.

I think it’s concerning, I don’t care about Trump winning, losing TACO whatever, in five to ten years he’ll be gone and someone will need to resolve Iran’s nuclear weapon production.

I can’t see anyone doing that now. I’d love it to be the case but who will and how? Even in a weakened state Iran has shown it can hold the world to ransom via the Strait.

I was doing a few quick mental calculations on profits for near term futures contracts if the price rises to $150. Anyone buying now will make a fortune. Kinda makes you wonder. Trump isn't going to be able to "Dow over 50,000" out of this one.

Got this from another thread. But Trump stating Iran have come to the table, Iran denying.

Trump should never have started this war.

Saying that is not triumph over Trump losing.

Have you seen the effect on energy prices?

And there will be no regime change, Trump hasn't even mentioned it for a while.

Iran having those weapons is concerning, that's why there was the JCPOA and why more currently talks were happening.

And the strait of Hurmaz risk was well known.

The problem is the market is so manipulated, that it's impossible to know whether a trader will "win". I thought the manipulation of paper silver in February was brazen (paper was $20 lower than physical), but this is something else, it more rigged than a dodgy Vegas casino....

No way out for him, and just over 6 months until the midterms with Gas prices rising at the pumps in America and farmers unable to secure fertiliser.

I looked it up for you. Ottowa 2025. Iran AND DPRK

Here is the line:

"We re-iterate that Iran can never have or acquire a nuclear weapon. We call for the resumption of negotiations aimed at achieving a comprehensive, verifiable, and durable agreement that addresses Iran’s nuclear programe is the Ottowa 2025 statement where Iran and the DPRK are singled out. "

Note the bold bit. Yeah. And how did Trump handle that ? He bombed them. And when you say "They likely correctly assess they’d be the only ones who would use them.", well no. They do not say that. You are presuming that.

G7-Non-Proliferation-statement-10-August-2025 (publishing.service.gov.uk)

And here is the more general blanket statement from Italy 2024

Statement of the G7 Non-Proliferation Directors Group (utoronto.ca)

Where they DO say they are against nuke proliferation as a whole. And it appears they do not wany ANYONE to get nukes who does not already have them.

I've come to the conclusion that futures, and derivatives more generally, are simply financial instruments for gambling addicts. You think we might have learned something from 2008 but apparently not.

I’m happy with their first line. It’s clear and unequivocal.

‘We re-iterate that Iran can never have or acquire a nuclear weapon.’ Good. No treading softly to appease, well with language at least. It’s a start.

How anyone does that, idk they’d better be sure it’s successful.

Most British people are wary of “super gun”, “might develop”, “have potential to”, type war mongering. We experienced the lies that lead to gulf/iraq wars and the horror that unfolded. We don’t want our troops thrown into a completely manufactured bonfire (particularly if it is not started by us). We don’t espouse the idea that what someone might have potential to do is the same as them actively doing it and we certainly don’t jump at those sorts of shadows when we have states like Israel and the US actually killing people and their leaders. You can’t commit genocide (for example) and then expect people to think you are the good guys. Nor can you threaten to annexe countries or blockade others to the point of starvation and be seen as followable.
I consider Israel a rogue State and Trump is leading the US wherever his next tantrum lands them. Who are the rogues? Who is killing and destroying vast swathes in multiple parts of the world? Who is causing international chaos?

So you are happy to ignore the second line ? And from what you have said on these threads, it does appear you think bombing them is the way to go ?

So you are possibly being selective of that Ottawa G7 statement. You are using the first sentence to justify war, but you are choosing to ignore the second part.

In effect, you are mis representing what the statement says.

Do you agree?

Thank you for the G7 Statement RedTagAlan,

The elephant in the room in these conversations is what about Israeli nuclear proliferation:

Israel

• Israel is estimated to have 90 nuclear warheads, with fissile material stockpiles for about 200 weapons.
• Israel does not admit nor deny having nuclear weapons, and states that it will not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East. Nevertheless, Israel is universally believed to possess nuclear arms stored in a partially disassembled state, although it is unclear exactly how many.

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/nuclear-weapons-who-has-what-glance

I can't seem to find a statement from the G7 about Israel which seems wholly hypocritical as Israel is not signed up to the NPT.

There were loads of conversations around this back in 2011/2012, and John Mearsheimer and others actually argued that Iran having nukes would/could stabilise the region.

So either the whole region should be non nuclear and subject to inspection, or countries should be able acquire what they deem needed for their defence.

I’d like people to put forward options that work. So far no response on that.

Whilst I’m pleased the G7 have issued that statement it’s pretty late to be doing so.

This is not something that should be new to them. The longer it’s left the harder it will be to resolve, likely impossible.

If someone such as U v d L and others say they can’t have those weapons then yes feel free to let everyone know the foolproof method to make sure they don’t.

So wait. You have been mentioning that G7 statement all over these threads as justification for this war, and not you are backtracking ? Now the G7 was "pretty late" ?

And as I and others have said repeatedly, there was a plan in place, and it was working. The 2015 JCPOA. But Trump tore it up. Then when Trump did do talks he bombed them. Oh, and now Trump says they are talking again so it's all on hold.

So if Trump does agree to a new JCPOA, will you be ok with that, or do you see war as the only solution ?

What’s the issue? The statement is correct but pretty late. Why is that difficult?

Re your question, as said I’d like to see a list of options that would work, for certain.

A list of options from whom?

And what in life is a certainty? It was certain that the US wouldn't attack Greenland then Trump came into power. The only way it could be certain is if Iran was wiped off the map but surely no one would want that?

Anyone who feels like they want to I don’t mind, those confident there’s a way through. I’d also like to know the leaders adamant they can’t have one. Finally they seem to be saying so.

It needs to work though and they should show why they think it will, the leaders that is.