Trump throwing a lot of people under the bus because of stock markets?

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When you start a war you finish it in my opinion. There has been no other war that has been stopped because of a slide on the Dow Jones or an oil price spike. For Trump to now prematurely call an end to the war simply because of economics will simply mean IIrans drone terrorism has worked.

The people of Iran will be left with a job half done without the space needed for an uprising.

A new leader with good reason to ideological hate Israel and the US will realise the only method of future deterrence of Iran is through acquiring a nuclear weapon as their conventional weapons were obliterated. Iran will now do everything possible to acquire such a weapon.

This is a time for resolve Mr. President. There is still a chance to destroy this regime maybe with limited target ground troop assaults. The world actually will be safer if you continue.

All of this is easy to Google and to find out for yourself and would probably put less people's backs up than the endless peppering of threads with question after question and nothing in the way of contribution of information or even opinion

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No one made you answer. I didn’t read more than the attempt at the insult anyway.

Take no notice @EasternStandard

Lots of questions are always asked on this board (though less often answered!)

Thanks @Twiglets1

There is still hope that they quit it here.
Let's hope for common sense and some eestrain from all parties.
At the end of the day, if any of them go full on destruction, the whole world will suffer and that is far too much to come out. It will stick to any of the parties for a long long time. International trade, any state memberships, any investment, any normality.... that is the bargaining chip we have. The only tool the rest of the world has on any of the three parties involved.

I made the effort to answer your question in good faith and you skipped straight to the end of my post instead of bothering your arse to read it? It makes me wonder why you ask all of these questions if not to try and learn and try to understand but I don't suppose that you'll answer that either.

Yes I would have read it if you hadn’t resorted to the personal attack at the end.

It is endless filling up with an actual vacuum, endless criticism and if the answer holds any merit, then focus on a sideline. And get help to deal with it....

I read your reply and it is really good. Thanks for joining and contributing. You have informed me and build up my hope that there are people listening to the gentler, logical approaches to sort this huge mess. It gives me hope that peace will prevail.

This only makes sense if you read backwards.

Not really. I just don’t see the point of engaging with posters who go on the attack.

There are some posters I have learnt from on this topic, I am still formulating views. But on this fine Sunday I’m not bothering to get into an poster who needs to use insult as below.

Israel not stopping here, they have a long term plan to re-draw the economic and political landscape of the region in their favour. The economies of the Gulf have already been knocked back decades, but when Dubai was a big sandpit back in the day the UK still functioned, things are just going to get more expensive, especially debt.

But it is true that you always ask the very same type of questions, then somehow go awol. You ask, people reply. People ask, you never do. And it ends up on a loop. What is the point of going on and on and on on a loop?

I did read somewhere that Israel will stop this war at the point US does.
Whether that is a solid commitment, we shall see.
An option I see possible here is that they stop the war itself, but they go into a "Cold War" kind of status. Having goes at each other for God knows how long.
We can hope.

I probably wouldn’t have noticed except it was bolded for you in a subsequent post so it was easy to see.

It doesn’t matter beyond just scrolling by, I’m sure you can engage with others. Enjoy your day.

Honestly can"t see the S of H issue being resolved now in favour of our interests, Iran are supposedly getting 2 million dollars per ship that passes according to SKY news. You can"t take out the supreme leader and half the ruling class and expect them to play nice a matter of weeks later! The problem in the UK is that the media and half the public are conditioned to expect cheap debt, people want anything that interferes with their house price and the cost of their mortgage "fixed" by the government, and because news is 24 hours they are just babbling all day long a load of information that changes the next minute, I think the world has changed and we are not going back TBH.

I'm afraid that this is looking more like Trump’s Vietnam. There is no off-ramp as the Americans and the Israelis do not understand the Iranians. There's a reason previous Presidents have always avoided this, Iranians don't start wars but when they're invaded they aim to subdue the perpetrator for good, even if it means suffering, ask the Romans.

During the Iraq/Iran war, after Saddam Hussein invaded Iran (with the Americans full knowledge) in 1980, Iran refused a ceasefire until 1988, even though Iran had regained its lost territory by 1982. Instead Iran invaded Iraq & continued to fight in the face of Iraqi chemical weapons attacks and missile hits on cities, suffering hundreds of thousands killed and wounded.

The unprovoked attack has had a rally around the flag effect in Iran. Thousands are out on the street daily, with many of them saying "no ceasefire".

I have got info from posts. There’s no compulsory answer on here just don’t, no problem.

Agree, it's a new world order, just not one the clowns that started this expected.

By proxy, it was meant to weaken China by taking Iran off the geopolitical chessboard.

Fun fact. Until the attack Iran did not charge any fee at all (unlike others like the Suez canal).

Short of invasion, the Iranians win, they can dictate terms and as much as Trump thinks this wont affect the US, it will, big time.

He has completely fucked up

Which many of us knew he would.

The IRCG is 1m strong, a ground invasion will be very high cost, take months to organise, with an uncertain outcome... meanwhile Russia gets more for its oil, Ukraine gets forgotten/runs out of munitions/fuel/anti missile systems....

Considering Trumps closeness with Putin, one could almost think Trump did this to help Putin.

If there is a ground invasion it will be very precise, trying to hold strategic areas with air cover type thing, still a massive risk though.

You can"t take "people on the streets" videos at face value though, and the problem for Iran is that their neighbours are not going to roll over and tell the US to shut all their bases, are they? And if they lob missiles at Europe they are likely to come under even more air attack from multiple countries? This is not the same as squaring off with Iraq, horrific as that war was?

Massive risk ?

A country the size of western Europe with 90 million people and mountain ranges on a near par with the Alps ?

What strategic areas could he hold ? And why would he hold them?

Absolutely, regarding the videos. However I know people who've flown back to Iran in the last 3 weeks as "their country is under attack". My Iranian friend are biased and patriotic though.

Whilst important Iran's neighbours have their own internal issues. Remember that these are monarchies (some extremely fragile like Bahrain) who have to worry about their own populations rising up.

Also CENTCOM is such a good friend that they published video of rockets being launched from the territory of their "regional partners".

Iran (and other regional militias like the Iraqis) have focused on destroying most of the American bases in the region. They've also destroyed most of the Air Defence batteries in the region, meaning easier access for their drones and missiles. The fifth fleets is destroyed, US evacuated most staff out of the Green Zone in Iraq and other bases.

It will cost billions and take years for the Americans to repair the damage, will the American public support that? Do they even have the skilled labour to do so.

Kharg Island is flagged as one, the reasoning is all over the internet/media. S of H is another but controlling that is harder, or near impossible?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ce35wke27ynt?page=2