Trump throwing a lot of people under the bus because of stock markets?

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When you start a war you finish it in my opinion. There has been no other war that has been stopped because of a slide on the Dow Jones or an oil price spike. For Trump to now prematurely call an end to the war simply because of economics will simply mean IIrans drone terrorism has worked.

The people of Iran will be left with a job half done without the space needed for an uprising.

A new leader with good reason to ideological hate Israel and the US will realise the only method of future deterrence of Iran is through acquiring a nuclear weapon as their conventional weapons were obliterated. Iran will now do everything possible to acquire such a weapon.

This is a time for resolve Mr. President. There is still a chance to destroy this regime maybe with limited target ground troop assaults. The world actually will be safer if you continue.

Not having a go in anyway at you @RedTagAlanbut at media headlines.

So I can see they’ve revoked the licenses of Iranian schools, which means there will be a lot of students looking for new schools.

There’s between 500-600k Iranians in the UAE so getting them all out would be a huge task and an unwelcome one given that Iranians have been a part of UAE society for a long time and not every Iranian likes the IRGC and would be welcomed back by the regime.

No Iran are not idiots, they are a sovereign country with all the rights that that entails, including having the right to have a peaceful nuclear problem.

Unfortunately, low iq midwits like Trump and his supporters, do not realise that unlike he tells himself, he is not the King of the world and does not have the right to dictate what other countries can do.

Trump is the one that was convinced by his Israeli donors (like the Adelson's ) https://www.972mag.com/bannon-adelson-drove-jerusalem-embassy-move/
to tear up the JCPOA that was working.

I feel like for some people, they are so historically and politically uninformed that they don't know why groups like Hamas and Hezbollah came into existence. There was no Hezbollah prior to Israel illegally invading Lebanon in 1978.

How did I guess that Iran would not be idiots, according to you.

It's not just Trump & his supporters who don't think Iran could be trusted to develop nuclear weapons. Not under the current regime, anyway.

G7 leaders: ‘Iran can never have a nuclear weapon’ (June 2025)

The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel's right to defend itself.

"Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon," declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.

www.politico.eu/article/g7-leaders-iran-can-never-have-a-nuclear-weapon/

Cool. I just go with CNN and Sky. And I admit my number was a bit out, and I said deported and not expelled. So two mistakes in a sentence. But from memory so hey. Genuine mistake. I am not trying to mislead.

Everyone is fibbing on this. Iran, the US, Israel, and the gulf states that are also authoritarian.

"Tis but a scratch", to borrow from Holy Grail.

Tbf Iran are not quiet about any of the aggression they aim for, which is why most leaders agree they can’t have nuclear weapons. If they did we’d probably all be toast anyway.

This is useful thanks. Yes most can see why and agree on it.

Even if Trump stops, Israel won’t.

Well its Israel bombing civilians in Lebanon, putting 4yo's in comas, killing a fathers 34 yo daughter... decimating whole districts of towns, forcing 100s of 1000s to seek refuge elsewhere.

For what? explain that to me?

You always back the Israelis whatever they do but this time, not only are they killing innocent people, they and the USA are wrecking the worlds economies, inc ours.

A pox on all of them, inc Iran

Last sentence? You ve a short memory... but i think you re well aware, so i wont bother explaining 😄

I have no idea what you're on about @Alexandra2001

I do get what you mean.
They will tell you they are bombing terrorists. The same ones they beheaded, so they will fold now... Then they bombed again, so they will fold again.... And again and again.
They do not want to recognise that they cannot get rid of Hezbollah by bombing Lebanon civilian areas and killing their children. You cannot bomb and ideology out of existance. Not like this. You just make more of them, more terrorists ready to shoot rockets at Israel. Lebanon needs to get rid of Hezbollah. And take back control of what is shot from their land. Israel would make more progress by supporting Lebanon in controlling Hezbollah than by bombing them. But this is a notion that Netanyahu and his far right guys cannot ever get. It is fully allien to them.

Can you say more on how Lebanon would take control from the terrorists?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4ln977w0jo

They were taking control despite Israels refusal to help.

You do.

Is this for another post? It doesn’t follow from mine.

Lebanon is complicated, the Lebanese went through a brutal civil war between 1975 and 1990 where over 150'000 Lebanese were killed. There are unhealed wounds still felt today.

Lebanon has also been targeted by Israel since the 1950s with the specific aim to stir up sectarian violence as detailed in the diaries of Moshe Sharett, Israel's first foreign minister and prime minister from 1953 to 1955:
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/essays/rokach.html#CHAPTER%205%20%20Let%20Us%20Create%20A%20Maronite%20State%20in%20Lebanon

" The February 27, 1954 meeting among Ben Gurion, Sharett, Lavon and Dayan has already been mentioned in connection with Israel's invasion plans of Egypt and Syria. In that same meeting a concrete proposal was outlined to disrupt Israel's most peaceful neighbor at that time, Lebanon. In this case, Israel's hegemonic ambitions did not even pretend to wear the phony fig leaf of security or defense.

Then he [Ben Gurion] passed on to another issue. This is the time, he said, to push Lebanon, that is, the Maronites in that country, to proclaim a Christian State. I said that this was nonsense. The Maronites are divided. The partisans of Christian separatism are weak and will dare do nothing. A Christian Lebanon would mean their giving up Tyre, Tripoli, the Beka'a. There is no force that could bring Lebanon back to its pre-World War I dimensions, and all the more so because in that case it would lose its economic raison-d'etre. Ben Gurion reacted furiously. He began to enumerate the historical justification for a restricted Christian Lebanon. If such a development were to take place, the Christian Powers would not dare oppose it. I claimed that there was no factor ready to create such a situation, and that if we were to push and encourage it on our own we would get ourselves into an adventure that will place shame on us. Here came a wave of insults regarding my lack of daring and my narrow-mindedness. We ought to send envoys and spend money.

.........It is clear that Lebanon is the weakest link in the Arab League. The other minorities in the Arab States are all Muslim, except for the Copts........

........Not so the Christians in Lebanon. They are a majority in the historical Lebanon and this majority has a tradition and a culture different from those of the other components of the League. Also within the wider borders (this was the worst mistake made by France when it extended the borders of Lebanon), the Muslims are not free to do as they wish, even if they are a majority there (and I don't know if they are, indeed, a majority) for fear of the Christians, The creation of a Christian State is therefore a natural act; it has historical roots and it will find support in wide circles in the Christian world, both Catholic and Protestant. In normal times this would be almost impossible. First and foremost because of the lack of initiative and courage of the Christians. But at times of confusion, or revolution or civil war, things take on another aspect, and even the weak declares himself to be a hero. Perhaps (there is never any certainty in politics) now is the time to bring about the creation of a Christian State in our neighborhood. Without our initiative and our vigorous aid this will not be done."

The division and unwanted interference eventually led to the Sabra and Shatila massacre in 1982:

[Trigger Warning - On 16, 17, and 18 September 1982, between 1,300 and 3,500 civilians were killed by the Lebanese Forces, one of Lebanon’s most powerful Christian militias, in the West Beirut neighbourhood of Sabra. Targeting Palestinians in the Shatila refugee camp and their Lebanese Shia neighbours, the Lebanese Forces were found to have been supported by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) surrounding Sabra. Two separate commissions, the independent MacBride Commission and the Israeli Knesset's Kahan Commission, found the IDF to be responsible for the events. MacBride held the IDF directly responsible as the occupying power over the area, while the Kahan Commission blamed the IDF indirectly for their failure to intervene once they had received reports of the killings. ]

Just adding that this is also covered under UN Resolution 3314 which covers the definition of aggression:
https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/190983?ln=en&v=pdf

Article (3) (f):
The action of a State in allowing its territory, which it has placed at the disposal of another State, to be used by that other State for perpetrating an act of aggression against a third State;

Yes of course, anti terrorism measures are well known, as are the longer term effects of bombing civilians, its an excellent recruiting tool... but maybe thats what Netanyahu really wants, always the victim.

On Iran, Trump did say year he had destroyed Iran's Nuclear capabilities but now the US has no idea even where the enriched Uranium is stored.

Trump will obliterate Iran's civilian power infrastructure (unless Hormuz is fully opened within 48hrs) which is a war crime and for what we all apparently want Putin in the Hague (among other things) to be on trial for.

It is a historical madness.
The solution is there, staring them on the face.
But nope. Bombing it is. Every single time!
The armed Hezbollah needs to disappear, pronto. I really feel for Lebanon. Their life and country has been struck so many times, by a conflict that is not even theirs! They deserve full control of their land and military actions. And I wish for them to gain that this year.

Of course Lebanon should have their country back. Still not sure what your last post was about though.

Was it meant to be an attack of some kind?

@EasternStandard how is that an attack?
You asked me to say how could Lebanon be supported in removing Hezbollah and I replied you give it a go. Have a little thought about what could be done.
I do not find the task difficult. But we both know, by experience, that you will not agree with my answer.

I see, I didn’t get that from the post. I would find it difficult tbf so if you don’t I am happy to hear what your options are.

The BBC link talks about some of it but the pp says Israel refuses to help, I’m not sure either on what is wanted.

Israeli forces were supposed to withdraw from 5 positions in the south to allow the deployment of LAF but they never did. Their continued strikes and military presence prevented the LAF from fully re-establishing authority in the south and restoring legitimate government institutions across the area.

Whenever local authorities tried to re-establish an administrative presence using temporary facilities such as prefabricated buildings or containers, those structures were frequently attacked. These attacks have prevented the return of civilian life and the re-establishment of local institutions.

So really Israel doesn't actually need to 'help' they just needed to stop hindering. The idea that Israel have no choice but to bomb the shit out of the Lebanese people is fabricated. Israel themselves have been actively preventing LAF from taking back control from Hezbollah.

All of this is easy to Google and to find out for yourself and would probably put less people's backs up than the endless peppering of threads with question after question and nothing in the way of contribution of information or even opinion.

They are searching building by building for weapon stores. I suppose things like metal detectors or ground penetrating radar or similar would help to find stocks hidden into bunkers or hidden rooms.
Finding the bank accounts used to buy the weapins would be a big one. Not sure if they are working on that. But I, personally, would freeze them and use the money to buy said equipment.
Increasing imports shipping searches to avoid any more coming in. Increased boder control. They say they need equipment and manpower, so that is where they can be helped.
If they do make their own rockets, stablishing a good control on the supplies would help, but it would take longer, of course. Jail for manufacturers whenever they are found.
Politically will be the long game. A lot of talks and compromises. It will take a few years, of course.

Now, Israel could do their part and fully withdraw from Lebanon. That would help with convincing people that they are save to disarm. And hopefully, both sides will stop bombing. Though there will be a period where they may have the rogue groups sticking to their guns and shooting. In the long term this will be the end of the armed group.

And then power, oil and water infrastructure across the Gulf region will be hit in return and we have a very big crisis on our hands, as someone said on GB news this morning, there was a reason that Iran was always off limits for US Presidents in the past.

I think, regardless of what Trump does next (he will just escalate) we are heading for a very big crisis, perhaps the worst ever, what that in turn will lead too.. who knows.

The Iranians hold all the cards, Trump holds none.

Only hope is, he is removed but thats highly unlikely.