Israel stopping 35 NGOS from working in West Bank or Gaza

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How on earth can this be justified? Organisations like MAP which have worked for years and are fully registered. Another example of Israels inhumanity.

No there are not other organisations who can take over these responsibilities. There is a name that can take over another name on a list but there is not the same thing. Israel would like us to think that organisations like MSF and Oxfam do very little and largely unknown organisations can take their place but that’s very clearly not true. The idea that you can ban most major NGOs and that this is both justified and simply replaceable aid is a deadly notion. Israel have decided that only they are sufficiently unbiased enough, capable enough and responsible enough to approve the aid. The largest organisations in the world who deliver aid in war zones apparently all have no idea how to do this jobs and are all antisemitic. That idea is patently absurd.

It is not reasonable to reach the conclusion that the largest NGOs who are experienced working in war zones simply weren’t sufficiently organised or interested in to meet standard requirements. It isn’t simply unfortunate that aid won’t reach Gaza, it is mass killing.

I really don’t believe that the average person will accept that every major NGO must be banned from Gaza, that there cannot be functioning hospitals, that there cannot be independent reporters, that refugee camps had to be targeted and doctors had to be killed etc. the pattern is very clear

Agree with all of this @ilovepuppies2019 . I also think making life in Gaza so unliveable in the hope Palestinians will leave us also an aim. It's ethnic cleansing but in a less obvious way.
Removing MSF makes life so much more difficult especially when we see the sheer amount of people their doctors directly treat .

@ilovepuppies2019 I don’t know what’s so hard to process about they were only providing 1% of the aid anyway. This being the case, why are you suggesting it’s “mass killing” not “simply unfortunate that aid won’t reach Gaza”?

99% of the aid that is currently reaching Gaza will continue to do so.

Also, the willingly non-compliant agencies can provide the aid to the compliant/licensed agencies for distribution.
This is another storm in a teacup, not worthy of further angst. There are readily available solutions.

Whose going to provide the doctors that assist at 1in 3 births and at 1in 5 bedsides considering Israel have already murdered 1700 healthcare workers and imprisoned without trial many others.

It's not just about aid, these doctors weren't even allowed bring in a stethoscope or formula so if course they wouldn't count in Israels (fabricated) 99% figure.

You have stated this a few times now and posters have responded and explained how it is more than just aid but you refuse to acknowledge that and just keep repeating the same thing. Pointless engaging with you

People keep bringing up aid though so I feel obliged to have to keep repeating the facts about that.

Re medical attention, UK-Med is one of the NGOs that will still be continuing to work in Gaza. They have fulfilled the requirements re answering the questions about staff & have no known affiliations to terror organisations.

https://www.uk-med.org/#:~:text=UK%2DMed%20is%20a%20humanitarian,by%20the%20World%20Health%20Organization.

No you are the only poster who is focussing on this and choosing to ignore the other highlighted facts for example that msf currently assist at one in three births .
but hey many Palestinian women have had to give birth in dirty ruins without pain relief so what is some more suffering for them as long as it serves Israel

Considering Maternity Kits were one of the items that Israel has banned it shows they couldn't give a shit about pregnant Palestinian women.

Just not true that I'm the only one talking about aid on this thread.

You seem to be getting annoyed but it's not my fault that organisations like MSF have chosen to be heavily involved in criticising Israel or that Israel have chosen to no longer tolerate it. Nor is it my fault that Palestinian people particularly women are having to live such desperate lives in Gaza now.

We always come back to who do you blame for the deterioration in their lives? The war in Gaza has done nothing but worsen things for them. This is what Hamas have dragged them into and their lives will never really improve while Hamas continues to exist in Gaza. That's a hard fact.

Even if Israel are partly at fault for not allowing more humanitarian aid and more medical staff, what kind of life will it be for Palestinians until they get better leaders? No country will invest in rebuilding Gaza except as a commercial opportunity and it's all empty words from the international community because no one knows how to help a country that is run by terrorists that sacrifice their own people to further their cause.

Might not be your fault but you spend a awful
lot of time justifying and excusing it.

Annoyed?! No just horrified like most people

I spend a lot of time defending Israel because I support them over Hamas in the war and think there's an awful lot of antisemitism on this board which needs to be challenged.

People on other boards can discuss the issues in Gaza without personal attacks or only blaming one side but not the CITME board it seems.

Yeah unfortunately many find justifying and defending war crimes and ethnic cleansing a deal breaker for politeness.

I wouldn’t be polite to an antisemite either, some people’s basic morals aren’t compromised by prejudice

I can guess you aren’t referring to the war crimes of Hamas or their desire to cleanse the world of Jewish people.

That is a topic people on this board never like to focus on though no one is antisemitic apparently.

This is the sort of thing Israel 'won't tolerate'

https://www.msf.org/survey-finds-high-mortality-rate-among-msf-staff-and-families-gaza

https://www.doctorswithoutborders.ca/msf-report-reveals-so-called-ghf-run-food-distributions-in-gaza-as-sites-of-orchestrated-killing/

https://msf.org.uk/article/gaza-msf-finds-1-4-young-children-and-pregnant-women-malnourished

I mean how very dare they speak about their killed staff and their staffs family members, children being shot trying to get food or young children and pregnant women being malnurished. I'm curious to know why you think Israel 'won't tolerate' this factual reporting of what they are seeing in Gaza? You are supporting their choice to try and suppress this so must have ideas about why you think it is necessary?

Yes the horrific war crimes of Hamas are utterly awful and terrible acts of terrorism.

And the genocide being committed in Gaza by the Israeli government is a horrific war crime and utterly awful. The Israeli Government have been very explicit in their desire to cleanse the Gaza strip of Palestinian people.

Following the October 7 attacks, then Minister of Intelligence Gila Gamliel recommended a plan which proposed the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza into Egypt. Minister of Heritage Amihai Eliyahu called for dropping an atomic bomb on Gaza. Minister of Communications Shlomo Karhi advocated for the forced removal of civilians and for Israel to settle the region, a position that other ministers endorsed.

The difference is that Hamas is known and recognised terrorist government. Netanyahu's Iraeli Government has been provided billions in weapons (which we are manufacturing), given International support for his genocidal program, celebrated in the White House and is immune from criticism. The Israeli government are openly championing ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Exactly this. Israel's Ministry of Diaspora Affairs and Combating Antisemitism has introduced rules for aid organisations, including that they must not engage in any activities or criticism which "delegitimise" the state of Israel.

Of course Israel would like to pretend that this is denying the right for Israel to exist or the Holocaust but that's very obviously not the requirement. The idea that MSF and almost every other major NGO is a a Holocaust denier is so utterly ridiculous that no one would believe them.

The head of Oxfam explained what Israel meant by the term 'delegitimise.' "It means that if we are to report against on aid obstruction, on harm done to our colleagues … So if we were to monitor and report that, that would be a reason to refuse us registration or deregister us from Israel. And so basically it restricts our access but [it] also is meant to almost silence us."

The sole purpose of this new requirement is to prevent large scale, main stream NGOs from accessing the Gaza Strip. This serves the dual purpose of preventing reporting, forcing us to rely on Israel's fabricated data, and making life vastly worse in the Gaza Strip so that more Palestine's find a way to relocate or die.

Individual members of the Israeli government do not represent government policy. They are a coalition government with some ministers with extremist views. It is not government policy to cleanse the Gaza Strip of Palestinian people. If it were then Israel would have acted quite differently in the war & been a lot more aggressive. They have the military capability & Hamas no match for the IDF militarily.

In your post Hamas get one sentence acknowledging they are terrorists, Israel get 3 paragraphs of vitriol, emotive language & lies. For the sake of not getting into another argument I will choose as the least controversial lie the one about Netanyahu’s government being immune from criticism. How can you say that with a straight face?

If the requirements are so impossible for organisations like Oxfam to adhere to, then why have many other NGOs been able to meet them & continue working in Gaza?

It is reasonable that Israel is sensitive about organisations they are working with not being ones that engage in activities or criticism which delegitimise the state of Israel. They haven’t called themHolocaust deniers. They are presumably just sick of organisations like Oxfam constant one sided criticism of Israel while not acknowledging the problems in Gaza that are not Israel’s fault like not knowing who is Hamas and who isn’t due to their fighters hiding amongst civilians.

Wow. This is so dreadful. I get that what Hamas did was indescribable, but I don’t get why the Israeli government won’t let civilians have aid. I’m no expert, but I’d have thought that’s against international law.

Civilians will still be getting aid. Just not from these particular organisations. Read the whole thread.

When I moved to the US (American husband), my green card application required the names and addresses of my grandparents. It said they wanted the info even if they were deceased - which they were, 17 years earlier!

I don’t have time to read the whole thread, but I don’t have to to know that that is a stunningly long list of excluded orgs and that it includes the main ones.

That's a shame because just skimming subjects means you misunderstand pretty important details. In this case that the Israeli government won’t let civilians have aid.

For the benefit of those just joining us, the organisations on this list have only been supplying 1% of the aid coming into Gaza in recent months, so if they need to stop in just under 60 days, it won't be as impactful as you imagine.

At this stage Israel has just completely ignored international law so many times it's just one more arrogant act they know that they will not be punished for.

Considering there is still such need in the region for aid the removal of all these agencies will have a severe impact. Very easy to claim there will still be agencies working there as we sit in our nice warm houses but looking at the conditions most of the population are existing in it is obvious that once again Palestinian peoples lives are seen as disposable by the powers that occupy them (and their supporters.

The 1% figure is interesting considering it is Israel who allows the aid to enter the country and who is bringing it in it and many of the affected NGO's have been blocked since March from bringing aid in conveniently leading to figures such as this.

As the Norwegian Refugee Council states
Recent efforts to assess the impact of deregistering INGOs through selective metrics do not capture how humanitarian assistance is delivered in practice. Humanitarian access must be measured by whether civilians receive the right assistance, in the right place, at the right time.