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IDF confirms strikes, accusing Hamas of 'blatant violation' of truce

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Twiglets1 · 19/10/2025 13:10

As reported by the BBC:

The Israel Defense Forces has just released a statement, confirming the strikes in southern Gaza. Here it is in full:

Earlier today, terrorists fired an anti-tank missile and gunfire toward IDF troops operating to dismantle terrorist infrastructure in the Rafah area, in southern Gaza, in accordance with the ceasefire agreement.

In response, the IDF has begun striking in the area to eliminate the threat and dismantle tunnel shafts and military structures used for terrorist activity.
These terrorist actions constitute a blatant violation of the ceasefire agreement, and the IDF will respond firmly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2kpx7yyq9pt

Israel strikes southern Gaza, accusing Hamas of 'bold violation of ceasefire' - live updates

In response, Hamas said it was committed to the ceasefire and accused Israel of breaking it several times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2kpx7yyq9pt

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PrawnAgain · 20/10/2025 10:51

TicklishMauveSquid · 20/10/2025 10:46

I actually said I didn’t care if terrorists have a stick put up their arse to make them up give up intel to save lives. Like those of the Israeli hostages, many of whom died in captivity.

Just for clarification and I still don’t btw.

I don’t think it’s warped at all to not a give a shit about what happens to terrorists.

Suicidal empathy and the appeasement of evil has never been my thing.

If people are locked up without trial or due process how do you know they are terrorists?

SpaceRaccoon · 20/10/2025 10:52

This scolding about how we speak about terrorists is such a distraction from the actual topic, namely that Hamas violated the ceasefire by attacking and killing two IDF soldiers.
Probably a bit more of a threat to peace than us not using gentle, hopeful words tbh.

Myfeeded · 20/10/2025 10:53

But they are raping prisoners not during interrogation but for their own pleasure. Not for information.
It got exposed by an Israeli whistleblower.
Most of these people haven’t been charged with anything.
Whose life was rescued by this rape and do you think it’s a legitimate interrogation tactic? Would it be acceptable for Jewish detainees who may have information?

Iambitingmytongue · 20/10/2025 10:57

Myfeeded · 20/10/2025 10:53

But they are raping prisoners not during interrogation but for their own pleasure. Not for information.
It got exposed by an Israeli whistleblower.
Most of these people haven’t been charged with anything.
Whose life was rescued by this rape and do you think it’s a legitimate interrogation tactic? Would it be acceptable for Jewish detainees who may have information?

‘Jewish’ detainees? Do you mean Israeli?

TicklishMauveSquid · 20/10/2025 11:00

PrawnAgain · 20/10/2025 10:51

If people are locked up without trial or due process how do you know they are terrorists?

Maybe they filmed themselves partaking or being involved in gleefully slaughtering/raping/burning/mutilating/beheading/taking hostages?

Israel hasn’t prosecuted anyone involved in Oct 7th yet. Assume they are waiting for the end of the war.

PrawnAgain · 20/10/2025 11:06

TicklishMauveSquid · 20/10/2025 11:00

Maybe they filmed themselves partaking or being involved in gleefully slaughtering/raping/burning/mutilating/beheading/taking hostages?

Israel hasn’t prosecuted anyone involved in Oct 7th yet. Assume they are waiting for the end of the war.

Maybe they did. But maybe they didn't.

Israel hasn’t prosecuted anyone involved in Oct 7th yet. Assume they are waiting for the end of the war.

Yup. I hope everyone who is guilty of breaking the Geneva Convention or terrorism is prosecuted.

TicklishMauveSquid · 20/10/2025 11:07

Myfeeded · 20/10/2025 10:53

But they are raping prisoners not during interrogation but for their own pleasure. Not for information.
It got exposed by an Israeli whistleblower.
Most of these people haven’t been charged with anything.
Whose life was rescued by this rape and do you think it’s a legitimate interrogation tactic? Would it be acceptable for Jewish detainees who may have information?

For their own pleasure?

You’re saying Israelis are turned on by terrorists who have viciously slaughtered their own people?

Gosh, what psychopaths they must be!

I should clarify at this point there is no evidence that Israel put sticks up anyone’s arses aside from terrorist ‘testimony’.

I think you just showed yours though @Myfeeded.

TicklishMauveSquid · 20/10/2025 11:10

PrawnAgain · 20/10/2025 11:06

Maybe they did. But maybe they didn't.

Israel hasn’t prosecuted anyone involved in Oct 7th yet. Assume they are waiting for the end of the war.

Yup. I hope everyone who is guilty of breaking the Geneva Convention or terrorism is prosecuted.

Edited

Well the point is you don’t know enough to have an opinion do you?

You are working on the assumption they are not terrorists, for the purposes of your own agenda.

Myfeeded · 20/10/2025 11:15

TicklishMauveSquid · 20/10/2025 11:07

For their own pleasure?

You’re saying Israelis are turned on by terrorists who have viciously slaughtered their own people?

Gosh, what psychopaths they must be!

I should clarify at this point there is no evidence that Israel put sticks up anyone’s arses aside from terrorist ‘testimony’.

I think you just showed yours though @Myfeeded.

Did you not see the video. If the prison guards hiding the solider from the camera? Yes for their own pleasure they are sick bastards.

https://news.sky.com/story/video-appears-to-show-idf-soldiers-sexually-abusing-palestinian-detainee-13193857

Video appears to show IDF soldiers sexually abusing Palestinian detainee

CCTV broadcast by an Israeli television channel allegedly shows IDF soldiers leading away a prisoner before sexually abusing the person behind their shields.

https://news.sky.com/story/video-appears-to-show-idf-soldiers-sexually-abusing-palestinian-detainee-13193857

SpaceRaccoon · 20/10/2025 11:21

I've just watched the video and you can't see anything - hence "alleged".

I'm surprised no-one's turned up to tell you off for dehumanising Israelis though - they're certainly very quick to if one is unkind about Hamas.

PrawnAgain · 20/10/2025 11:27

TicklishMauveSquid · 20/10/2025 11:10

Well the point is you don’t know enough to have an opinion do you?

You are working on the assumption they are not terrorists, for the purposes of your own agenda.

No I'm not. I'm saying that people locked up without trial shouldn't be tortured. I'm not sure why this is a contraversial statement.

TicklishMauveSquid · 20/10/2025 11:47

Myfeeded · 20/10/2025 11:15

Did you not see the video. If the prison guards hiding the solider from the camera? Yes for their own pleasure they are sick bastards.

https://news.sky.com/story/video-appears-to-show-idf-soldiers-sexually-abusing-palestinian-detainee-13193857

I doubt anyone takes pleasure in cavity searches if that is what it was. Must be awful. Shielding from the camera and other detainees for dignity?

Maybe you should look up what is deemed appropriate and under what circumstances in international law?

IDF medical staff will be in the same uniform as other soldiers.

TicklishMauveSquid · 20/10/2025 12:11

PrawnAgain · 20/10/2025 11:27

No I'm not. I'm saying that people locked up without trial shouldn't be tortured. I'm not sure why this is a contraversial statement.

Thinking about the scenario of children and a baby being taken hostage by vicious terrorists who had just filmed themselves committing the atrocities they committed on Oct 7th, including murdering and mutilating children, one an autistic child, shooting a baby in her crib and raping an 8 year old girl, and having a thorough understanding of the depravity of these terrorists and the very real and urgent danger those children and baby were in, and you’d got terrorists in custody who had perhaps been identified as having involvement in the kidnapping of those children, would you be so morally upstanding if that baby or any of those children being held hostage were yours?

I wonder what Yarden Bibas’s opinion would be because mine would be anything goes to get my children back alive. The terrorists involved would have forfeited any right to humane treatment after treating my children with such inhumanity if there was a chance I could get them back alive, and not have to receive their murdered, mutilated bodies back after 14 months without even the dignity of a proper burial after they were murdered, having to watch people who murdered them and who supported their murders celebrating and dancing around their coffins with their own children like they were attending a festival.

Luckily Israel is better than me as there is no evidence they did sexually torture or rape any of the terrorists anyway, and they certainly didn’t do a very good job if they had because no one ever gave up information on the hostage’s location IIRC.

PrawnAgain · 20/10/2025 12:22

@TicklishMauveSquid I of course would have an emotional reaction if that happened to a member of my family. I just don't think that my emotion desire for revenge should be used as a basis for state sanctioned torture.

I am not saying there should be no punishment. People suspected of terrorism should be given a fair trial and punished accordingly if found guilty.

I'm saying that people who are locked up without trial shouldn't be tortured

mumandmumber · 20/10/2025 12:24

PrawnAgain · 19/10/2025 19:39

2 soldiers killed by Hamas.
So, not an excuse, but a reason

A reason to block aid and starve an already malnourished population?

A lot of people in the West don’t realise how much honour and reputation shape things in the Middle East. Retaliation isn’t just about payback, it’s about not looking weak. If you don’t respond to an attack or insult, it can be seen as surrender or humiliation. Showing strength is a way of maintaining respect, both within your own group and to outsiders watching.
So when a country/group hits back hard, it’s not always about strategy or escalation, sometimes it’s more about sending a message. That idea of saving face and proving strength runs very deep historically, and it still plays a huge role in how conflicts are handled today.
I’m not saying I condone either sides actions. But this is something that is not understood from the Western bubble.

TomeTome · 20/10/2025 18:13

And yet Iran did not retaliate in an over forceful way? We all make choices.

There are reports of 135 tortured bodies in the Guardian today. Are they mistaken too?

JacknDiane · 20/10/2025 18:33

TicklishMauveSquid · 20/10/2025 12:11

Thinking about the scenario of children and a baby being taken hostage by vicious terrorists who had just filmed themselves committing the atrocities they committed on Oct 7th, including murdering and mutilating children, one an autistic child, shooting a baby in her crib and raping an 8 year old girl, and having a thorough understanding of the depravity of these terrorists and the very real and urgent danger those children and baby were in, and you’d got terrorists in custody who had perhaps been identified as having involvement in the kidnapping of those children, would you be so morally upstanding if that baby or any of those children being held hostage were yours?

I wonder what Yarden Bibas’s opinion would be because mine would be anything goes to get my children back alive. The terrorists involved would have forfeited any right to humane treatment after treating my children with such inhumanity if there was a chance I could get them back alive, and not have to receive their murdered, mutilated bodies back after 14 months without even the dignity of a proper burial after they were murdered, having to watch people who murdered them and who supported their murders celebrating and dancing around their coffins with their own children like they were attending a festival.

Luckily Israel is better than me as there is no evidence they did sexually torture or rape any of the terrorists anyway, and they certainly didn’t do a very good job if they had because no one ever gave up information on the hostage’s location IIRC.

Did you just say they didn't do anything good job of rape or torture??

Unbelievable!!!

HellsBalls · 20/10/2025 19:18

TomeTome · 20/10/2025 18:13

And yet Iran did not retaliate in an over forceful way? We all make choices.

There are reports of 135 tortured bodies in the Guardian today. Are they mistaken too?

Iran had the USAF and IAF flying all over their airspace, in daylight, unopposed.
That’s why they didn’t respond.

TicklishMauveSquid · 20/10/2025 19:27

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TomeTome · 20/10/2025 19:34

HellsBalls · 20/10/2025 19:18

Iran had the USAF and IAF flying all over their airspace, in daylight, unopposed.
That’s why they didn’t respond.

ahhh I see. They had options but Israel was forced to do what it did???? And the tortured bodies? Did they have to do that too?

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 20/10/2025 19:54

I spent five years reading about the Holocaust. I would like to recommend to you a monograph, Hitlers willing executioners by Daniel Goldhagen. This book challenges some of the myths around the holocaust and one of the central arguments made by Goldhagen is that ordinary Germans were complicit in the holocaust. He argues also that the holocaust was caused by genocidal antisemitism. The entire argument posits that the holocaust must be viewed as a particular and specific form of genocide, there is nothing comparable to it. Would you, squid agree with this?

What happened on the 7th of October was horrific. It will be remembered for many generations and must also be thought of as something quite specific, quite out of the ordinary, not business as usual, but as an event, a horrific and barbaric event, something truly evil. Would you agree squid?

The two events are not comparable. One is an event, and a horrific spectacle of evil, but the former was the inevitable outcome of years of antisemitism borne from what Goldhagen called eliminationist antisemitism which had its roots in medieval antisemitism. The result was though a highly scientific, systematic, cold, thought through and bureaucratic planned process. The Germans were not fighting for their freedom, for their liberation, for their land, or against an oppressor.

I agree with Goldhagen's thesis that ordinary Germans were carrying out the mass extermination of Jews. Pure logic alone dictates this.

You have said that not all Palestinians are Hamas, but all Hamas are Palestinian. (not strictly speaking true). But none the less many Palestinians have supported Hamas, and Hamas fighting brigades are made up of ordinary Palestinians. Just as the Wehrmacht were made up of ordinary Germans. Just as the IDF is made up of ordinary Israelis.

These very ordinary people can be complicit, and active in carrying out the most evil of crimes. Ideologies of hatred, of seeing another human as less than human, as vermin, as people unlike themselves, as worthy of inhumane acts, and as even necessary collateral damage or as "assets" to be hostage, or to be tortured for the purpose of extracting information.

These ideologies can be borne out of myths such as the medieval myths about Jews, or they can be purposefully threaded into societies through education, through "common sense ideas" (Gramsci) through religious indoctrination and through powerful political actors (Nazis, Fascism, Hamas, Israeli right wing nut jobs).

Evil often begets evil in a self perpetuating chain of consequences, where the acts of others are seen to have few consequences and others feel emboldened to join in. This hatred has no natural end, it must be ended. And for evil to persist, all it takes is for good people to stand idle, or even worse to condone it.

So, whilst the holocaust must not lose its meaning and we need to understand the specifics of it to truly apprehend why this happened at all so that nothing like this can never happen again. We must also seek to understand what has driven ordinary Palestinians to back Hamas as their force for liberation and statehood. What made these ordinary people complicit and some active in the horror of the 7th. But we must also reckon with why ordinary Israelis have felt it ok to stick a pole up a man's bum causing such trauma that he died. And that is without having to confront all of the other horrors that Israel has inflicted on the Palestinians, not for 12 years (the holocaust) but for nearly 80 years since 1948. Some might say this is of necessity, else Israel would not exist, (Hamas after all want to annihilate Israel)but then this suggests that in order for Israel to exist it must negate the rights of the Palestinians to their claims upon the land. These are facts. But as much as your seemingly pragmatic approach seems like a logic of sorts, I cant help but wonder what your excuse is for your complicity in this evil?

A solution to this 80 year old question will only be found when both sides start to acknowledge the humanity of its foe.

SpaceRaccoon · 20/10/2025 20:07

cant help but wonder what your excuse is for your complicity in this evil?

Just... no.

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 20/10/2025 20:15

SpaceRaccoon · 20/10/2025 20:07

cant help but wonder what your excuse is for your complicity in this evil?

Just... no.

Is that it, all you can manage! oh well.

and no I won't be arguing with you, it is a waste of time. Unless you have something more substantive to say.

SpaceRaccoon · 20/10/2025 20:26

I'm not really intererested in your long-winded pontificating tbh, but it's a bit much calling another poster "complicit in evil" because they don't share your opinion.

JacknDiane · 20/10/2025 20:59

Brilliant post @LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster

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