Can the ceasefire hold?

[Alantraitor]

Hamas has only returned 9 out of the 28 bodies it agreed to return as part of the ceasefire agreement. The Israel government has threatened to reduce the promised aid supplies to Gaza in retaliation. Hamas have announced that it can't find the bodies of any more Israelis hostages, which has made some people question the future of the ceasefire.

Israel’s defence minister threatened on Wednesday to resume fighting if Hamas does not honour the continuing terms of the deal. On a more optimistic note however, the BBC reports that in a call with reporters last night, senior US advisers were downplaying the risk. The advisers said there was "understanding" to get all the live hostages, which Hamas did "honour".

We have a "mechanism in place", and are working with mediators to get as many bodies "as possible" out, they explained and, "We continue to hear from them that they intend to honour the deal."

Hamas says that specialist equipment will be required to find and retrieve the bodies of the other hostages and they are working with other countries to achieve this. Turkey, for example is in talks to send experts on body retrieval.

The BBC states that According to those advisers, the US government does not so far believe Hamas has broken the agreement by not yet retrieving the remains of remaining deceased hostages.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckgzndpnjl1t

Do you think it's OK to kill people for not displaying common sense?

It’s ok to kill people who are presenting themselves as a threat to the soldiers.

If it's clear and plainly obvious someone has crossed a line and ignored verbal warnings simply and only because they lack commonsense, no....

I’m hoping to a swing on MN very similar to the TWAW movement in respect of people who having been pointing out the terrorist supporting anti semitism that’s run through the board where there was a whole scale persecution of GC women inc many bannings, but over time GC views became first accepted on the feminist boards and then throughout the site. Outside we saw common sense prevail eventually to the highest court in the land and in politics.

ive been horrified at the unfettered support and propaganda for terrorists and the anti semitism on here recently- hopefully it’s coming to an end. Even Labour seem to have shifted slightly

Seeming the Israeli soldiers didn't give a thought about the 'fragile ceasefire' to the extent they shot unarmed civilians.

It's you cease they fire. Always had been with 'ceasefires' that Israel agrees to.

Who's killed more Palestinians over the last few days? Israelis or Hamas?

It's not a binary situation where condemnation of one side means unfetted support for the other. It's like not a football match or action film with goodies and baddies where you pick a side and then support everything they do.

I condemn Hamas AND Netanyahu.

My sympathies lie with all the innocent victims, whether they be Palestinian or Israeli hostages.

Who is responsible for 99% of the deaths over the last few decades?

So...

You're an Israeli soldier policing this line (mentioned/detailed in the cease fire deal, as quite possibly were the possible consequences if the line was crossed)

An individual or group of locals crosses said line and continues towards you.

You or colleagues issue a warning.

The individual or group continues towards your position.

Being mindful of what happened in the past,, for example, events of Oct 7 2023 do you shoot or do you hold fire because the individuals might simply be lacking common sense?

I hold fire.

It's a ceasefire, they appear unarmed and there is no reason they are not allowed to walk through the land.

Yes, that puts me at risk, but feeling threatened does not give me the right to take away someone's life, unless there is overwhelmingly strong evidence, the fear of an immediate threat and cannot be stopped in any other way. Unarmed civilians walking along do not meet that high bar.

No - Hmas will attack Israel again and it will kick off again

They don't want to hear that

"It's a ceasefire"

Ceasefires are rarely unconditional and very often come with conditions attached such as restrictions on movements and perhaps caveats where force, including lethal force can be used.

" they appear unarmed"

Err...OK...

This is the ceasefire thread. Not the history threads.

@Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice ’I hold fire.’

Yes, sure you would. Well, maybe in your naivety you actually would.
But why should the security forces put their lives on the line? Why would they approach potential suicide bombers, people with concealed weapons, or walk into the view of snipers?
Why should they risk being blown up?

They shout warnings, they fire warning shots.
That’s a perfectly acceptable amount of warning for this conflict.

It's more than just not displaying common sense.

They could have had guns for all the IDF soldiers knew, haven't you heard it's like the Wild West in Gaza now.

Hamas because they keep starting and losing wars.

Would it have been ok for that Gazans to shoot the IDF because they definitely posed a risk to them and they definitely did have guns?

Its almost as if people haven't been paying any attention whatsoever, to any conflict in history, and have no understanding of the terrorist threat posed by Hamas. Completely away with the fairies!

Actually it is the Israeli supporters on the boards pushing the “wild west” narrative - from what I have read in actual newspapers Israel have given militia weapons to fight Hamas and Hamas are executing the militia. One group of terrorists killing another group of terrorists. Regular people are busy trying to retrieve loved ones from the rubble and rebuild.

The people killing civilians and continuing to bomb Gaza are the IDF. You say “warnings” were issued - there is no evidence of that and as several people pointed out it is not sufficient! Does the most technological army in the world not have body cams to prove their narratives?? Several IDF whistleblowers have said that people are shot for crossing invisible lines, without warning and even though they pose no threat, on a regular basis!

As part of the ceasefire agreement Hamas were allowed to retain guns and police the land on a temporary basis - do I agree with that, absolutely not but the narrative that they said they would disarm is false. They have said they will hand over their weapons to the new governing power when chosen. Similarly the narrative pushed that somehow Hamas broke the ceasefire by not returning all the bodies is false, they made it clear that they would need international help and equipment to retrieve some as they are under rubble. Do I believe them, not entirely they are terrorists. Should Israel break the ceasefire killing innocent people, definitely not.

😂 time travelling Hamas is to blame before they even existed seemingly.

Israel dropped the bombs, pulled those triggers and have done for decades. The blame lies with those alone. 'look what you made me do' is the desperate call of an abuser, not a country. No one is buying that excuse any more.

@Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice ‘No one is buying that excuse any more.’

The constant Palestinian terrorism is a reason, not an excuse.

They could try it & see what happens.

1. would it have been justifiable for them to do so
2. would it have breached the ceasefire if Gazans shot Israeli soldiers because they felt they posed a risk to them?

‘Look what you made me do’ sounds very apt for the obscene brutality of October 7th