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Conflict in the Middle East

What was the purpose of this level of destruction?

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Stripes56 · 12/10/2025 22:47

Gazans are returning to their homes and are horrified to see the level of destruction. Their joy mixed with despair.

www.timesofisrael.com/gazans-joy-over-ceasefire-tempered-by-shock-as-they-return-to-destroyed-homes/

We can feel joy that the hostages are returning home, relief that Hamas will be sidelined - but how do we reconcile with the death and destruction that has happened in Gaza?

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EmpressoftheMundane · 19/10/2025 15:21

Naanspiration · 19/10/2025 15:05

Israel spent many decades ensuring Hamas held power in Gaza.

It ensured Hamas was well funded and able to arm itself to have control over Gaza. A terrorist organisation ruling over Gaza was a shared goal of Hamas and Israel's right wing government.

Hamas and Israel have always been allies.

That is because a strong Hamas would prevent the PLO unifying Gaza and the West Bank, paving the was for a single Palestinian state.

It's the old and reliable tactic of divide and conquer.

And it's much easier for Netanyahu to wage an aggressive war against Gaza ruled by a terrorist organisation than it would have been against a more secular and liberal PLO.

Netanyahu had been waiting for Hamas to do something to justify his full scale obliteration of Gaza.

It wouldn't suprise me if Israeli security forces knew of a planned large scale attack prior to October 7, but allowed it to happen because it plays into the desired endgame of Netanyahu and his hawks.

It only makes sense, after all, Israel ensured Hamas was powerful this allowing it to carry out such an attack.

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This sounds like an unfounded conspiracy theory. You sound like someone who will twist the facts to your worldview rather than analyse facts to inform your worldview.

Stripes56 · 19/10/2025 15:43

EmpressoftheMundane · 19/10/2025 15:21

This sounds like an unfounded conspiracy theory. You sound like someone who will twist the facts to your worldview rather than analyse facts to inform your worldview.

Is this news to you?

The prime minister also said that, “whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for” transferring the funds to Gaza, because maintaining a separation between the PA in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza helps prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

https://theweek.com/politics/why-israels-netanyahu-encouraged-suitcases-of-cash-for-hamas

https://theweek.com/politics/why-israels-netanyahu-encouraged-suitcases-of-cash-for-hamas

Why Israel's Netanyahu encouraged suitcases of cash for Gaza

Benjamin Netanyahu and his allies say he was trying to prevent a humanitarian disaster in the Gaza Strip. Netanyahu's critics, citing his own words, say he was trying to buy — and thwart — peace.

https://theweek.com/politics/why-israels-netanyahu-encouraged-suitcases-of-cash-for-hamas

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Stripes56 · 19/10/2025 15:56

TicklishMauveSquid · 19/10/2025 15:04

No there isn’t. They say themselves that Hamas is in every house and they’re all Hamas.

I don’t get why their Western supporters are so desperate to separate the two, when Palestinians themselves don’t, and can only assume it’s to do with what they’d have to admit they were openly supporting.

Nothing like Israelis and the extremists in the Knesset. Israelis in general don’t refuse to have peace with Palestinians, aren’t indoctrinated to want to kill Palestinians from birth and didn’t vote for and support a barbaric and destructive terrorist entity to rule them, deliberately destroy any chance of building their own economy so they have to live off international aid so their leaders can syphon it off or celebrate thousands of Israeli civilians, breaking into Gaza to slaughter, gang rape and mutilate thousands of Palestinians and drag hundreds back into tunnels in Israel including babies and children, then pretend they weren’t starting a war.

The few extremists in Israeli politics don’t dictate government policy or the behaviour of the public at large.

Half the people in Gaza are children. Do you think they are Hamas? Your thread is so dehumanising of innocent civilians. It also explains why some people may not understand international concerns about war crimes.

There a lot of concerns raised that the extremists in Israel are influencing Israeli policy due to Netanyahu fearing collapse of his coalition.

For example -

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2025/07/corrupt-bargain-behind-gazas-catastrophe/683690/

The Corrupt Bargain Behind Gaza’s Catastrophe

Israel’s far right wants to take over Gaza. Netanyahu wants to stay in power.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2025/07/corrupt-bargain-behind-gazas-catastrophe/683690/

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JacknDiane · 19/10/2025 16:07

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 11:49

Gaza was really well developed, typical middle eastern country. Ok, for victim points they called nice suburban areas ‘refugee camps’, but it seemed very civilized.
They threw that away attacking their neighbours, starting war, and setting themselves back 30 years.

They unmade their bed, and they can lie in it.

Jesus, what an awful post.

You could have saved yourself the bother and just replied "yes".

JacknDiane · 19/10/2025 16:09

I feel some posters are really showing their hatred for Gazan civilians now the ceasefire is hopefully still on.

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 16:26

JacknDiane · 19/10/2025 16:09

I feel some posters are really showing their hatred for Gazan civilians now the ceasefire is hopefully still on.

Same for the some posters simmering hatred of Israelis.

TicklishMauveSquid · 19/10/2025 16:35

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 16:26

Same for the some posters simmering hatred of Israelis.

Although they haven’t even hid it, from the very beginning.

No one who wasn’t full of hate for Jews Israel., would believe the transparent propaganda coming out of Gaza. I don’t believe people are that dumb unless they have an ulterior motive.

Stripes56 · 19/10/2025 16:41

TicklishMauveSquid · 19/10/2025 16:35

Although they haven’t even hid it, from the very beginning.

No one who wasn’t full of hate for Jews Israel., would believe the transparent propaganda coming out of Gaza. I don’t believe people are that dumb unless they have an ulterior motive.

But some supporting Israel seem unaware of concerns about decisions taken by Netanyahu that even Israeli are raising? For example if funding of Hamas by his government to prevent a 2SS.

it is possible to feel disgust of Hamas and decisions taken by Israel

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JacknDiane · 19/10/2025 17:45

TicklishMauveSquid · 19/10/2025 16:35

Although they haven’t even hid it, from the very beginning.

No one who wasn’t full of hate for Jews Israel., would believe the transparent propaganda coming out of Gaza. I don’t believe people are that dumb unless they have an ulterior motive.

If only Israel had allowed journalists into Israel during all this time and any hamas propaganda could have been easily ignored.

DrPrunesqualer · 19/10/2025 18:45

JacknDiane · 19/10/2025 16:09

I feel some posters are really showing their hatred for Gazan civilians now the ceasefire is hopefully still on.

I agree
We’re seeing it across many threads.
How worrying if this is a wider thought process

DrPrunesqualer · 19/10/2025 18:47

HellsBalls · 19/10/2025 16:26

Same for the some posters simmering hatred of Israelis.

Which posts
and no, ‘there are so many’, isn’t posting proof of anything

KoalaKoKo · 19/10/2025 20:00

TicklishMauveSquid · 19/10/2025 16:35

Although they haven’t even hid it, from the very beginning.

No one who wasn’t full of hate for Jews Israel., would believe the transparent propaganda coming out of Gaza. I don’t believe people are that dumb unless they have an ulterior motive.

Back at you, what is your motive? You express hatred for an entire indigenous group defending those who are murdering them and if anyone defends them you say they are antisemitic. What exactly is your angle, why are you distorting facts and twisting words?

Anti genocide posters have only expressed a disgust for genocide and war, several of the pro Israeli bunch on this thread have expressed that they believe Palestinians deserve their treatment (ie being murdered) and have expressed that they believe all Palestinians are hamas - well if that isn’t a big pile of bigotry and prejudice all wrapped up in hate I don’t know what is. Honestly you should try and get out more, meet people of different ethnicities, talk to a Palestinian and actually listen to their views. They are human beings the same as you!

Naanspiration · 19/10/2025 23:34

EmpressoftheMundane · 19/10/2025 15:21

This sounds like an unfounded conspiracy theory. You sound like someone who will twist the facts to your worldview rather than analyse facts to inform your worldview.

It's widely known information!

It's on the Hamas Wikipedia page:

"Hamas was initially discreetly supported by Israel as a counter-balance to the secular PLO"

Learn more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

It says "In the late 2010s and early 2020s, Israeli officials encouraged Qatari support for Hamas,[8] especially by way of approving the transfer of large sums of financial aid by Qatar's government to the organization.[9]"

It's much easier to wipe out a community if they are ruled by a crackpot religious fanatical group like Hamas; hence why Israel encouraged Hamas to be well funded and well established in Gaza.

Israeli support for Hamas - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Naanspiration · 19/10/2025 23:48

TicklishMauveSquid · 19/10/2025 15:12

So the Palestinians and Hamas had no agency or choice to chose peace when Israel left Gaza in 2005, to build a State with trust that they are done with terrorism, no agency not to carry out the barbaric acts of Oct 7th, not to take babies and children hostage.

It was all Israel’s fault.

Pathetic victim blaming nonsense.

The destruction of Gaza is all Israel's fault, yes. The thousands dead civilians, children and related famine, yes all Israel's fault. They dropped the bombs, cut off the borders.

What agency did Palestinians have if it's wealthy neighbour is controlling it's borders and politics. I'll repeat, Israel ensured Hamas was well funded to prevent the more secular and liberal PLO unifying the west bank and Gaza which would have made a peaceful 2-state solution more likely.

Netanyahu didn't want Palestinians to choose peace, and used geopolitical influence to ensure it didn't. How could he wipe out a peaceful neighbour?!! He needed the terrorist label to justify his violence.

This is publicly acknowledged by many figures in Israel's government and security services.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

Hamas fighters in 2021 in Gaza City.

‘Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas (Published 2023)

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

Ellen2shoes · 17/11/2025 22:33

You are spot on @Naanspiration. And as usual the only defence from you @TicklishMauveSquid is to cite the ‘barbarism’ of the Palestinians as though this awful situation began on October 7th which of course was ‘barbarous’ but Israel had behaved ‘barbarously’ well before that. There is a much broader history of ‘barbarism’ which you choose to ignore and separate by referring to the actions of Palestinians as ‘barbarous’ while defending or ignoring parallel actions by Israel. Surely nothing is more ‘barbarous’ than a genocide?

HellsBalls · 17/11/2025 22:56

There is no genocide. This will be proved if and when Israel goes in the dock.

Ellen2shoes · 17/11/2025 23:09

You can name it or not but the barbarism continues.

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