Hamas targeting groups and clans in Gaza

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Hamas appears to be preparing to exact vengeance on those opposed to its rule in Gaza. This will come in the form of mafia-like murders of those Hamas claims are “collaborators.” It will target clans and groups that have shown opposition to Hamas. It will also target those that have worked with Israel, or who it accuses of working with Israel.

A Telegram channel linked to Hamas said the group would target “collaborators.”

The BBC reported that “Hamas recalls 7,000 fighters to reassert control over Gaza as fears of renewed internal violence emerge following the withdrawal of Israeli forces. The mobilisation has been widely anticipated as uncertainty grows about who will govern Gaza once the war ends - this is a key sticking point for later phases of Trump's plan.”

Hamas has long used mafia-like gangland tactics to keep people in check in Gaza. This goes back to how the group emerged in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Hamas leaders such as Yahya Sinwar were known for brutally murdering “collaborators” back then. Sinwar is dead but his tactics live on. Hamas has lost a lot of its larger weapons but it retains AK-47s and can use them to murder people. Videos have already emerged of Hamas allegedly murdering people.

The brutality of the organization has also been revealed in a New York Times article that shows how Sinwar and Hamas planned to murder Israelis and burn communities on October 7.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-870096

Yes, this is the problem really.

I'd like a two state solution with a viable Palestinian state, I suspect most people outside the extremes would. But nobody has yet managed to explain how that happens with jihadists at the helm, either because the Palestinian people have democratically chosen them or because they've taken power by force. A viable state requires leadership who care more about said state than they do about destroying another one. You do actually have to explain how it goes from jihadists to viable state, it doesn't magically fall into place.

None of which is to suggest this is the only problem that currently exists, or the only criticism that can be made of either party. But it is, as things stand, insurmountable.

Plenty of footage of Hamas asserting control again in Gaza through violence, dressed as civilians.
It’s not pretty.

No it's not pretty, @HellsBalls, but I'm confused about the "dressed as civilians" thing

Admittedly they lack the frequent masks, etc, which are popular with Hamas, but this isn't some legitimate army with uniforns - it's a rabble crazed with bloodlust looking for someone to kill

Never mind though, it'll enable some to pretend they're really Israelis

Analysis from Sky News:

One week into the ceasefire, a new kind of violence is plaguing the Gaza Strip.

Public executions, arson attacks and gun battles have raised the spectre of a slide into civil chaos as Hamas battles armed groups it accuses of collaborating with Israel.

Experts say Hamas is attempting to reassert its authority following Israel's withdrawal from parts of the Gaza Strip.

But members of three anti-Hamas militias, operating from areas still controlled by Israel, have told Sky News they have no intention of laying down their arms and plan to fight Hamas to the end.

The fighting has drawn the ire of US President Donald Trump, who posted on his Truth Social platform on Thursday: "If Hamas continues to kill people in Gaza, which was not the deal, we will have no choice but to go in and kill them."

https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-battles-rival-militias-for-control-of-gaza-following-israels-withdrawal-13450580

Racial or religious hatred is to do with ignorance or extreme behaviour brought about by grooming based playing on people's trauma, lack of education, fear, etc.

So, while extremist Muslims may have wanted to attack the whole non Muslim world, the ME states, full of educated, not extremist, not groomed, not ignorant normal people will want to live in peace if it is a fair and reasonable 2 state agreement.

This war has not been about people, it has been about excessive power, control, resources, geopolitics. If it is made about people again, then people will live in peace.

Trump has said to the press that the killings are a bit like inter gang fighting in south america and he isn't fussed.
If you look for the AlJazeera article about "what is happening in gaza now", it gives more detailed information about who the different groups are, who they are funded by. It indicates that western press are over estimating numbers involved. Hamas has officially (ie from Qatar i think? as distinct from those on the ground) said that there will be no infighting between it and other political groups such as the PLO.
The truth is that all this is smokescreen though. Agreements were signed with Qatar and various others in Egypt, the EU leaders were all there - talking about what they will be doing to take control, rebuild - it is a "it is happening" situation and goodness only knows where it will take us.

Your posting, and the posting of your group here, will have a huge effect and you post as per your mindset, so you are wrong, it will have an effect. How do you think propaganda is exploited in world wars? Normal people repeating stories thoughtlessly and endlessly which prop up the ideology of hatred and justifies fighting. Be careful what you wish for, think about who is really going to be getting the benefit and how much damage it might cause and what could be done to take things along a peaceful route.

And on the other hand, peaceniks stopped vietnam, so they say, so talking peace seems to work sometimes too.

Most expert analyses, whichever "side" they support, will tell you that Hamas are not jihadist, not linked with IS or Al Q. So you are misunderstanding things there completely. If you google you will find a lot of info.

Hamas is committed to fighting against Israel's attack on Palestinians and on creating a Palestinian state. What it says and does varies, and there are elements within Hamas which may do or say different things. Hamas is funded by other ME states who support a 2 state solution and together there is goodwill and sufficient awareness of all the issues for the 2 state solution to be negotiated.

It is Israel which remains fiercely opposed, but the hope is that this is something which, with international help, could become a reality.

The press is not great at reporting on all this, but all the info is out there.

Frankly, what's done the real damage is the useful idiots who have done their best to hamstring Israel from dealing properly with Hamas. And now look.

I didn't mean it to sound like that. I think the other poster knew what I meant!

Hamas is committed to fighting against Israel's attack on Palestinians and on creating a Palestinian state

OK... 🤔

blimey.

Well, quite.

Terrifying.

I'm sorry then, I sounded very snippy there. I take the comment back.

Hamas are not jihadist?

They hide it well.

He said that - yesterday was it?

But today he said something quite different.

Classic Trump really. I think he is getting unhappy will all the publicity around Hamas & the gangs fighting it out.

I expect it's casting shadow on his Nobel Peace Prize!

Bless the Orange Maniac for having a go, though 🤷🏻‍♀️

Lmao what a load of shit.

Hamas are jihadist, and there is not an expert consensus that they aren't. Didn't mention links to either IS or Al Qaeda, not that jihad is a closed shop anyway, so not immediately obvious why you felt the need to cite them. They are simply different variants of jihadist.

But even if you want to come up with some No True Scotsmen definition of jihad, Hamas are sufficiently violently irredentist that they function as a barrier to a viable two state solution. Note that this is not the same as saying no other barrier exists. Only that they are essentially a veto all by themselves, at present. Because a viable state requires government that cares more about that state's viability than it does about murdering neighbours, and that is not Hamas. The closest you've got to an explanation for how this will happen is that goodwill from other sides, who aren't even on the ground in Gaza, will somehow magically manifest it. Dunno what you've been googling, but it didn't do you much good.

They're perfectly reasonable people to negotiate with. I don't know what's wrong with you 😁

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Indeed!

Being kind, it might've been an inept attempt to distinguish them from more globally focused jihadism. Those are different and there's a lot of infighting. But jihad isn't like a professional accreditation, you don't have to get yourself certified from the official provider.

God loves a trier.

Maybe not that particular one though.

"Hamas arrived disguised as medics and in ambulances and killed 25 people in the same family "

But, but, but Hamas don't do that......dress as medics, use ambulances to get around 🤔

They are brutal killers, returning to brutal killing now there is a ceasefire between Hamas v Israel. What do they do..... kill Palestinians. Perhaps there needs to be a ceasefire between Palestinians and Hamas killing them. Or doesn't that matter?

Disguised as medics, one really couldn’t make that up… But they’d never do such a thing, surely!

Im sure lots of luvvies are organising a #ceasefirenow campaign as we speak!

Exactly the same tactics they’ve been using for years to move weapons and terrorists around Gaza, and get in shooting distance of the IDF.
All with the collaboration of UNWRA