Hamas targeting groups and clans in Gaza

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Hamas appears to be preparing to exact vengeance on those opposed to its rule in Gaza. This will come in the form of mafia-like murders of those Hamas claims are “collaborators.” It will target clans and groups that have shown opposition to Hamas. It will also target those that have worked with Israel, or who it accuses of working with Israel.

A Telegram channel linked to Hamas said the group would target “collaborators.”

The BBC reported that “Hamas recalls 7,000 fighters to reassert control over Gaza as fears of renewed internal violence emerge following the withdrawal of Israeli forces. The mobilisation has been widely anticipated as uncertainty grows about who will govern Gaza once the war ends - this is a key sticking point for later phases of Trump's plan.”

Hamas has long used mafia-like gangland tactics to keep people in check in Gaza. This goes back to how the group emerged in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Hamas leaders such as Yahya Sinwar were known for brutally murdering “collaborators” back then. Sinwar is dead but his tactics live on. Hamas has lost a lot of its larger weapons but it retains AK-47s and can use them to murder people. Videos have already emerged of Hamas allegedly murdering people.

The brutality of the organization has also been revealed in a New York Times article that shows how Sinwar and Hamas planned to murder Israelis and burn communities on October 7.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-870096

This drives me mad too.

I wish people wouldn't conflate the 2.

Hopefully some of those that do will have seen some of these examples and question themselves.

More executions today, right in front of a large enthusiastic crowd cheering, clapping, filming and shouting that God is great.

violent footage, obv

https://x.com/koshercockney/status/1978423186329850042

Ah the words of a peacemaker. It's a travesty he never got the nobel peace price 🙄

Trump condones public executions by Hamas, comparing victims to US strikes on Venezuelan ‘drug boats’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-public-executions-hamas-gang-members-b2845846.html

According to Bowen in the BBC the strip is awash with weapons as munition factories were raided during the conflict. So now we've an element of lawlessness with rival gangs jockeying for position. It's also unclear how trump proposes to use force to get Hamas to disarm if they refuse to. It has been pointed out that the IDF killed more than 67,000 people in two years trying without success.

This is the Gaza they wanted.

I think what those thugs want most of all is to get to cross the border and do the same with impunity to Israelis. Or worse probably - shooting is pretty kind compared to what they enjoyed doing to them two years ago.

Okay this sounds like a reasonable plan:
https://x.com/AJENews/status/1978155189740728353

Again, I'm really unsure of how it's going to be implemented given the current situation on the ground, but hopefully someone will have thought of that.

Anything to do with this little posse?

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2024-07-23/China-hosts-Palestinian-factions-leaders-with-reconciliation-reached-1vtjiaD9b4Q/p.html

That's nice. They still seem to be talking about the Israeli 'occupation' forces on AL Jazeera.

That sounds a bit contradictory, doesn't it?

The Egyptian plan is a fair try at the genre, @SpaceRaccoon, but relies on Hamas ceding power and I very much doubt that'll happen - especially, as said, with so much support within their area

We'll also probably get cries of "colonialism" and "why can't they choose their own leaders", and never mind that there's every chance they'd pick Hamas again

Unfortunately there's a significant number who like killing - preferably Jews, but if they're not available the "wrong type" of fellow Palestinian willl do - and they're not going to appreciate the opportunity being taken from them

We'll also probably get cries of "colonialism" and "why can't they choose their own leaders", and never mind that there's every chance they'd pick Hamas again

Already happened 😂
https://x.com/mamoun_linda/status/1978164250053849173

Already happened 😂

Silly of me, @SpaceRaccoon - I have Twitter blocked so can no longer see the slurrry which gets posted on there, but I might have known

Yes, I’ve seen several similar posts today, along with a lot of angry ones demanding Israel shouldn’t exist 🙄

www.instagram.com/reel/DPo5-mcjJrP/

Totally agree

Israel agreed to release these horrible criminals because they care so much about the hostages and wanted them back over anything else.

Meanwhile, hamas care so little for their own people that they offer them up as martyrs in the war, and now in a ceasefire they are actively hunting down and killing them. A tale of 2 different countries, and yet people believe that Israel are the evil ones. Absolutely bizarre.

Israel agreed to release these horrible criminals because they care so much about the hostages and wanted them back over anything else.

Agree, yet some posters on MN insisted the Israeli government never cared about the hostages.

@inamarina ’Agree, yet some posters on MN insisted the Israeli government never cared about the hostages.’

Some posters think Israel got what was coming on October 7th.
Despite the yes of thousands of (useless) posts on this conflict, I doubt anyone has changed sides, or even moved from the previous beliefs to the middle ground.
I certainly have not.

I have never seen a poster say that Israel got what was coming, what a disgusting thing to say. People in real life such as UN said it didn't happen in a vacuum, that it was part of 100 year war, and that it was not always reported accurately. Which is not the same thing at all.

I don't think some of the posters here know much about what has gone on but are expressing very partisan views.

It has been two years and i think a lot of people inside and outside Israel wanted there to be more focus on release of hostages more quickly. Do you think that is fair?

A 2 state solution would be a fair and equal and reasonable split of what was Palestine, so looking at resources, etc needing to be fairly split, so yes it would be more than west bank and gaza but no it would not be river to the sea. If you look at the Mandate from 1922 (or 1921?) you will see the land at that point and the provisions which affected the Jewish settlers. Take that as a starting point and then look at what has happened since - the attacks from both Israelis and Palestinians over the years. This is all why splitting the land is seen now as the only way to get peace.

Israel is small in land terms, but it is extremely wealthy and has enormous resources, diamonds etc. The history is well known to the ME states surrounding and they have voted and so yes, it is a recipe for peace.

The history is the terrible fighting between peoples. This is what the region and the world wants to stop, or at least all those who support a 2 state solution. Not for all Jews to bugger off. I have Jewish heritage.

Western stronger states stepping in and taking over decisions would be colonialism by definition.

In terms of choosing their own leaders, what should be on the table in fact is them choosing their own representatives in relation to a negotiation for a 2 state solution - once there is a 2 state solution then it removes the possibility of terrorism from any side, that is, if Palestinians have their own state and the surround ME states feel safe, and Israel has agreed and feels safe, then the war which has gone on for more than 100 years is no more.

Hope that helps in terms of understanding the issues.

@moremoreandthenstillmore ”if Palestinians have their own state and the surround ME states feel safe, and Israel has agreed and feels safe, then the war which has gone on for more than 100 years is no more.”

Deluded if you think Islamists would not try to destroy Israel. Look at the history since Israel was created. All the huge and safe countries deciding to eliminate Israel. Why?

Conveniently leaving out that last time Gazans chose their representatives to lead them it was an organization sworn to the destruction of Israel.

I want Palestinians to have self determination. But the right to self determination doesn't trump the right to life of your neighbor.

So no, unpalatable as it sounds, right now at this moment in time Palestinians can't choose their representatives. At some point in the future we can hope they have enough decent options to pick from. Then I'm sure they'll do the right thing.

Hope that helps in terms of understanding the issues.

How kind to grace us with your insight.

Well, I’ve no idea what’s involved in hostage negotiations, especially when confronted with a terror group like Hamas, so I can’t say what’s fair and what’s not in those circumstances.