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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel’s generals and soldiers are aware they are killing large numbers of children.

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Everexpanding · 08/10/2025 08:52

Children account for nearly one-third of all the war dead whose bodies have been collected and identified before burial.

The list of named victims maintained by health authorities in Gaza is recognised as authoritative by the international community, the UN and Israel’s military, although Israeli politicians frequently try to dismiss it.

But the strict rules that ensure its credibility also mean it cannot capture the full scale of tragedy inflicted on Gaza’s children and their families.
Missing from the toll are the thousands of victims still buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings as well as the war’s many indirect victims. Israel’s blockade has created deadly shortages of food, medicine, clean water and fuel.

Starvation has killed at least 150 children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/oct/08/young-lives-cut-short-on-an-unimaginable-scale-the-18457-children-on-gazas-list-of-war-dead

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Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 12:39

quantumbutterfly · 12/10/2025 12:34

Odd because you don't do it? Or are you speaking for other posters too?

Just very odd in general as I said only experienced one set of posters doing it

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quantumbutterfly · 12/10/2025 12:43

Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 12:39

Just very odd in general as I said only experienced one set of posters doing it

One set of posters? Do these posters have anything in common?

Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 12:45

I don’t know, takes a lot of confidence to post for a group surely?

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quantumbutterfly · 12/10/2025 12:59

Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 12:45

I don’t know, takes a lot of confidence to post for a group surely?

Overconfidence on an anonymous internet forum is odd?
Using the word 'we' is less controversial than a lot of things I've seen written and deleted here, some of which could get you arrested irl..(in the UK and several middle eastern countries)

andgoodnessknows · 12/10/2025 13:34

Pasly · 12/10/2025 11:48

No one is hounding anyone. We pointed out some important inaccuracies.
And the poster apologised and continued to face derision, maybe your definition of hounding is different to others but not a good look to undermine how they felt

Apparently it’s fine to insult us
You always turn things into a them and us scenario. We're all individual posters I thought or do you post in packs?

‘Hounding’ is not around 10 related posts, pointing out some fairly awful inaccuracies, at least two of which included clearly not hostile phrases like ‘I wholeheartedly agree’ and ‘I believe your apology is in good faith’. Stop mischaracterising things.

ScrollingLeaves · 12/10/2025 13:47

Twiglets1 · 12/10/2025 07:05

The infighting between Hamas and other factions will be of no interest to the pro Pals on here (or elsewhere) which should - for the more thoughtful amongst them - make them question why not.

The infighting between Hamas and other factions will be of no interest to the pro Pals on here (or elsewhere)….

which should - for the more thoughtful amongst them - make them question why not.

This is an odd thing to say.

I am one who is overall sympathetic to the Palestinians ( not Hamas), but I am very interested and concerned by the factions - to the extent that I have brought the subject up very recently, and even posted a research paper on Palestinian families and clans, as well as current links and quotes from the media about the latest militias only yesterday.

I know BelleHathor has also recently brought up the Israeli funding of Abu Habib the looter, and many mentioned Israeli backing of lawless gangs some months ago.

This will inevitably be of great interest.

Indeed yes, no need to ‘question myself’ as to why I am supposedly not interested.

It certainly is of interest in so many directions. One is that Hamas itself was also originally an Israeli backed group set up to counter the PLO, and then subsequently pushed and funded by Netanyahu as opposition to the PA to prevent the unity that would allow the formation of a Palestinian State.

Another point of concern is that in a vacuum of power and the rise of chaotic factions amid homelessness and trauma, an extreme Islamist group might be established like it was in post invasion Iraq.

Or, perhaps it could cause a civil war.

Let us hope all the peace brokers including the Arab countries can be as wise as possible in looking for a way to bring stability.

willowtree99 · 12/10/2025 14:22

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HellsBalls · 12/10/2025 14:26

@willowtree99 ”Deradicalisation is a priority for the coming years.”

I presume you are talking about the Palestinians?

willowtree99 · 12/10/2025 14:42

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HellsBalls · 12/10/2025 14:53

@willowtree99 “What do they need to be deradicalised from?”

Radical Islam for a start, and Jihad for another.
You seem to think war is the answer.
Have you learnt nothing from the last 2 pointless years?

andgoodnessknows · 12/10/2025 14:54

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Superiority over brown people? You’re aware, of course, that Mizrahi Jews are brown? They’re the Jews kicked out of all of the Middle Eastern countries - Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan in the 1940s. A huge amount of the Israeli population is brown, but don't let that get in the way of your own racism. The idea that Israel is just a bunch of white colonisers who rocked up after the Holocaust, as some like to suggest, is absolutely false. There has been a Jewish presence in Israel for millennia. The entire religion is centred around it. Some have always been there, some have returned from the diaspora of persecuted jews, but they are the indigenous people of the land and most of them are brown, including 2 million Arab Israelis.

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 14:55

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What on earth are you talking about? Israelis have lived there forever. There are more than 6 million Palestinians in the diaspora, only marginally smaller than the Jewish diaspora so they too have 'families, friends and interests in other places'. Those Jews that have 'chosen' to return to Israel have in large part done so because of persecution and are Israelis.

willowtree99 · 12/10/2025 15:05

Yes, there are arab Israelis, but they are in the minority and politically marginalized.They cling to the zionist project over fear of what may happen if the dual nationals left.

This is a key consideration in the peace project, reintegrating back into Palestinian society and some form of truth and reconciliation process.

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 15:05

andgoodnessknows · 12/10/2025 14:54

Superiority over brown people? You’re aware, of course, that Mizrahi Jews are brown? They’re the Jews kicked out of all of the Middle Eastern countries - Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan in the 1940s. A huge amount of the Israeli population is brown, but don't let that get in the way of your own racism. The idea that Israel is just a bunch of white colonisers who rocked up after the Holocaust, as some like to suggest, is absolutely false. There has been a Jewish presence in Israel for millennia. The entire religion is centred around it. Some have always been there, some have returned from the diaspora of persecuted jews, but they are the indigenous people of the land and most of them are brown, including 2 million Arab Israelis.

Exactly. And the idea that Israelis have been 'radicalized' by the antisemitism they have experienced. Dusgusting post.

HellsBalls · 12/10/2025 15:09

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 15:05

Exactly. And the idea that Israelis have been 'radicalized' by the antisemitism they have experienced. Dusgusting post.

You should have seen the post that was removed.
Unhinged.
Another one that is not happy with the ceasefire.

willowtree99 · 12/10/2025 15:14

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SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 15:21

HellsBalls · 12/10/2025 15:09

You should have seen the post that was removed.
Unhinged.
Another one that is not happy with the ceasefire.

Oh I did see it.

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 15:25

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Oh dear. No 'technically' antisemitism as a term was coined precisely to refer to prejudice against Jewish people so don't try to play the antiermites favourite semantic game.

andgoodnessknows · 12/10/2025 15:26

willowtree99 · 12/10/2025 15:05

Yes, there are arab Israelis, but they are in the minority and politically marginalized.They cling to the zionist project over fear of what may happen if the dual nationals left.

This is a key consideration in the peace project, reintegrating back into Palestinian society and some form of truth and reconciliation process.

No, no - no just Arab Israelis, I said brown Jews. There are a massive proportion of brown Israeli Jews. .They’re the c. 800,000 displaced Jews from the Middle East and North Africa during the 1940s. All of those countries now no longer have any substantial diaspora Jewish communities at all.

Jewish Israelis are not uniformly white, however desperate you might be to believe it.

SharonEllis · 12/10/2025 15:29

The majority of Israelis are Mizrahi. Jews are an ethnicity. The desperate attempt to pretend Jews are white in order to justify the racist settler colonial narrative.

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Everexpanding · 12/10/2025 16:04

2023 report
https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g24/052/97/pdf/g2405297.pdf

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