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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel’s generals and soldiers are aware they are killing large numbers of children.

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Everexpanding · 08/10/2025 08:52

Children account for nearly one-third of all the war dead whose bodies have been collected and identified before burial.

The list of named victims maintained by health authorities in Gaza is recognised as authoritative by the international community, the UN and Israel’s military, although Israeli politicians frequently try to dismiss it.

But the strict rules that ensure its credibility also mean it cannot capture the full scale of tragedy inflicted on Gaza’s children and their families.
Missing from the toll are the thousands of victims still buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings as well as the war’s many indirect victims. Israel’s blockade has created deadly shortages of food, medicine, clean water and fuel.

Starvation has killed at least 150 children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/oct/08/young-lives-cut-short-on-an-unimaginable-scale-the-18457-children-on-gazas-list-of-war-dead

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Everexpanding · 08/10/2025 08:53

One story from thousands

Khaled Mohammed Fathi Jabr
7 years old
Israeli airstrike
17 October 2024
It took surgery and five years of IVF treatment for Khaled’s mother Amal to fall pregnant for the first and only time. Born nearly two months premature, he had a twin brother, Adam, who died at three days old. Khaled was transferred to a Jerusalem hospital for specialist treatment. A compromised immune system meant he was in and out of hospital until he was about four, but then his health improved and Amal could settle into a normal rhythm of life at their home in Tal al-Hawa, in western Gaza. Amal found joy in small things, preparing school supplies and taking him to football, swimming and horse riding classes at the Friends Equestrian Club, where he had a special bond with a horse called Shams. After Israel launched airstrikes on Gaza in response to the Hamas cross-border attack on 7 October, the family fled south to join Amal’s parents in Rafah, which Israel had declared a safe zone for civilians. Ten days later, Khaled was killed in an Israeli airstrike along with his grandfather, uncle, aunt, cousins and 11 other relatives

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childofthe607080s · 08/10/2025 08:55

Thank you for a name

Iamfree · 08/10/2025 08:57

Sorry but necessary to stop terror. You won’t convince anyone and if Hamas doesn’t accept the deal many more children will die. Blame Hamas. Full stop

Naddd · 08/10/2025 09:09

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KoalaKoKo · 08/10/2025 09:13

Iamfree · 08/10/2025 08:57

Sorry but necessary to stop terror. You won’t convince anyone and if Hamas doesn’t accept the deal many more children will die. Blame Hamas. Full stop

Nasty sociopathic comment. It is never necessary to murder children, if it was an Israeli child you would not say it was “necessary”.

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/10/2025 09:14

Iamfree · 08/10/2025 08:57

Sorry but necessary to stop terror. You won’t convince anyone and if Hamas doesn’t accept the deal many more children will die. Blame Hamas. Full stop

Few people need convincing that murdering children is wrong. Any children.

ScrollingLeaves · 08/10/2025 09:54

@Everexpanding · Today 08:53

Thank you for a name, of a person, a child, someone who loved and was loved, who was obliterated in the very place he should have been safe according to the Israeli attacking army by whom he was killed.

It is not just Jewish people tragically and viciously murdered on 7 October by Hamas who deserve names, posters and memorials.

Everexpanding · 08/10/2025 11:52

In Gaza City, three-year-old Emad Abu al-Qura was shot outside his home as he went to buy fruit with his cousin, Hadeel, a 20-year-old medical student, who was also killed. The family said they were targeted by an Israeli sniper.

A of the pair lying together in the street shows Emad still alive after he is first hit and trying to lift his head. More shots hit the ground close by including one that strikes a plank next to Emad. The boy’s mother said he was then hit again and this time killed.
Hadeel’s father, Haroon, saw the shooting

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 08/10/2025 20:42

I’ve been posting a name a day. If I were to continue, it would take me 40+ years to commemorate all of the children killed. It’s a dark stain on all of humanity.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/5383956-one-child-a-day-remembering-gazas-children?page=1

Everexpanding · 08/10/2025 20:49

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 08/10/2025 20:42

I’ve been posting a name a day. If I were to continue, it would take me 40+ years to commemorate all of the children killed. It’s a dark stain on all of humanity.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/5383956-one-child-a-day-remembering-gazas-children?page=1

Thanks for doing that @Wedonttalkaboutboris I just came across your thread this evening, right to commemorate, so sad so many lives lost when only starting. It is a stain and a complete waste, I always think when I see pictures of those killed how much labour it takes to raise a child and then for all that love and work just be gone for what, I cannot imagine the pain

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Mercurial123 · 08/10/2025 21:05

Iamfree · 08/10/2025 08:57

Sorry but necessary to stop terror. You won’t convince anyone and if Hamas doesn’t accept the deal many more children will die. Blame Hamas. Full stop

You sound lovely and empathetic...

ScrollingLeaves · 08/10/2025 21:11

@Wedonttalkaboutboris thank you.

Mandarinaduck · 08/10/2025 21:16

What heartbreaking stories, thank you for posting them.

TicklishMauveSquid · 08/10/2025 22:04

As I asked when you posted this article on another thread yesterday, where is the evidence that Israel killed these children?

It is a horrific reality of war that civilians, including children die, more so in this one as their own government WANTS them to, exactly so inciters of Israel hate like you can post about them like this.

How many of these children died via Hamas/PIJ rockets, IEDS, landmines, and deliberate killing to blame on Israel do you think?

How many of these children would have lived if they had been given safe refuge as other children in wars are, perhaps a few miles away in Egypt, do you think?

How may of these children would have lived if Palestinians hadn’t started a war with Israel or even if they’d made sure they were protected by not using civilian infrastructure for warfare or just built a few bomb shelters over the 2 years they planned Oct 7th.

They had enough cement for tunnels.

You can carry on blaming Israel all you like but it doesn’t wash. The blood of these children is on their own people.

RealDiscussionNotHate · 08/10/2025 22:51

Its heartbreaking.

I hope the peace deal is agreed on quickly, to end this conflict asap

KoalaKoKo · 08/10/2025 23:14

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Everexpanding · 11/10/2025 10:25

TicklishMauveSquid · 08/10/2025 22:04

As I asked when you posted this article on another thread yesterday, where is the evidence that Israel killed these children?

It is a horrific reality of war that civilians, including children die, more so in this one as their own government WANTS them to, exactly so inciters of Israel hate like you can post about them like this.

How many of these children died via Hamas/PIJ rockets, IEDS, landmines, and deliberate killing to blame on Israel do you think?

How many of these children would have lived if they had been given safe refuge as other children in wars are, perhaps a few miles away in Egypt, do you think?

How may of these children would have lived if Palestinians hadn’t started a war with Israel or even if they’d made sure they were protected by not using civilian infrastructure for warfare or just built a few bomb shelters over the 2 years they planned Oct 7th.

They had enough cement for tunnels.

You can carry on blaming Israel all you like but it doesn’t wash. The blood of these children is on their own people.

I think this is the most insane post I have ever read on here. Stay in denial, if it helps you sleep

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TicklishMauveSquid · 11/10/2025 10:36

Everexpanding · 11/10/2025 10:25

I think this is the most insane post I have ever read on here. Stay in denial, if it helps you sleep

How about you expand on that comment?

Point out exactly what’s ‘insane’ about it?

To believe Israel deliberately targeted and killed 20,000 children is insane IMO.

Unless you want to push the blood libel that Jews are baby killing monsters.

Everexpanding · 11/10/2025 10:38

Denial

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Everexpanding · 11/10/2025 10:41

Everyone knows, has been discussed here in depth, you know, people will not be shut up by throwing about accusations of blood libel, we are not living in medieval times it just sounds unhinged

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 11/10/2025 11:11

TicklishMauveSquid · 11/10/2025 10:36

How about you expand on that comment?

Point out exactly what’s ‘insane’ about it?

To believe Israel deliberately targeted and killed 20,000 children is insane IMO.

Unless you want to push the blood libel that Jews are baby killing monsters.

As I said to you on the other thread, which you so conventionally ignored:

Israel may not be trying to kill women and children (although I would dispute this), but they’re certainly not trying to prevent it either.

Every decision Israel has made- the blockades, the bombardments, the refusal to let people flee- has collectively harmed civilians and disproportionately affected children.

I don’t know if the IDF intends to target women and children, but the outcome is obvious. According to the UN Human Rights Office, of the 8,119 verified deaths in Gaza between November 2023 and April 2024, almost 70% were women and children. That isn’t a coincidence- it’s what happens when you drop wide-area explosives into one of the most densely populated places on earth.

And that’s not even counting the well-documented cases of children and babies being directly shot at- including those trying to reach food, aid trucks, or shelter. So whether it’s deliberate or not, the result is the same- Israel’s tactics have made civilian death unavoidable.

TicklishMauveSquid · 11/10/2025 17:57

I hadn’t been back to that other thread so didn’t ignore it conventionally or even conveniently, but I just had a look and see that you didn’t answer my question anyway rather conveniently.

I asked what you thought Israel’s reasoning was for a military aim to target women and children. You have said again that you think they are targeting women and children so perhaps you could answer that?

What was the reason for the blockade do you think? What Egypt’s reasoning too?

Why do you think the IDF bothered to print thousands of leaflets, created safe zones, and called Gazans to warn them to evacuate before bombings if they were deliberately targeting them?

If 90% of Gaza has been bombed, wouldn’t it follow that 90% of Gazans would have been killed if they hadn't been told to evacuate, especially as they couldn’t flee?

Who refused to let people flee? Did Egypt offer to open up the border and let refugees in?

BelleHathor · 11/10/2025 18:31

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 11/10/2025 11:11

As I said to you on the other thread, which you so conventionally ignored:

Israel may not be trying to kill women and children (although I would dispute this), but they’re certainly not trying to prevent it either.

Every decision Israel has made- the blockades, the bombardments, the refusal to let people flee- has collectively harmed civilians and disproportionately affected children.

I don’t know if the IDF intends to target women and children, but the outcome is obvious. According to the UN Human Rights Office, of the 8,119 verified deaths in Gaza between November 2023 and April 2024, almost 70% were women and children. That isn’t a coincidence- it’s what happens when you drop wide-area explosives into one of the most densely populated places on earth.

And that’s not even counting the well-documented cases of children and babies being directly shot at- including those trying to reach food, aid trucks, or shelter. So whether it’s deliberate or not, the result is the same- Israel’s tactics have made civilian death unavoidable.

Yup, it's something that Lawyers will argue in the future. At what point does repeated sustained deliberate negligence and conscious disregard of the military actions of the IDF resulting in death and injury turn can be interpreted as intentional.

Everexpanding · 11/10/2025 18:43

@TicklishMauveSquid There are plenty of receipts good luck trying to rewrite history

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 11/10/2025 18:59

TicklishMauveSquid · 11/10/2025 17:57

I hadn’t been back to that other thread so didn’t ignore it conventionally or even conveniently, but I just had a look and see that you didn’t answer my question anyway rather conveniently.

I asked what you thought Israel’s reasoning was for a military aim to target women and children. You have said again that you think they are targeting women and children so perhaps you could answer that?

What was the reason for the blockade do you think? What Egypt’s reasoning too?

Why do you think the IDF bothered to print thousands of leaflets, created safe zones, and called Gazans to warn them to evacuate before bombings if they were deliberately targeting them?

If 90% of Gaza has been bombed, wouldn’t it follow that 90% of Gazans would have been killed if they hadn't been told to evacuate, especially as they couldn’t flee?

Who refused to let people flee? Did Egypt offer to open up the border and let refugees in?

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“All of Gaza, and every child in Gaza should starve to death” Rabbi Rounen Shaulov, July 2025

I’m sure plenty of people would agree that I did in fact answer your question.

Prominent Israeli ministers and commentators have publicly called for extreme measures- to “erase” Gaza, tighten sieges, restrict food and aid.

Then look at what’s actually happening: near-total blockade of food, fuel and medicine; repeated strikes on hospitals, schools and displacement sites; severe limits on humanitarian access; and entire neighbourhoods destroyed. Repeated drone strikes on children. Babies and toddlers shot in the head. These are facts, not opinions.

When you put the words and the actions together, it’s impossible to ignore the intent or at the very least, a reckless disregard for civilian life. Tens of thousands of civilians are suffering and dying, including tens of thousands of children. That is not “collateral damage”- it is the predictable outcome of Israel’s policies.

And let’s not pretend those warnings were meaningful. Plenty of civilian areas were bombed without any warning- homes, schools, hospitals. Even when they did tell people to move, they often directed them straight into zones that were later hit. There’s no safe zone in Gaza when 90% of it has been flattened.