Israel’s generals and soldiers are aware they are killing large numbers of children.

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Children account for nearly one-third of all the war dead whose bodies have been collected and identified before burial.

The list of named victims maintained by health authorities in Gaza is recognised as authoritative by the international community, the UN and Israel’s military, although Israeli politicians frequently try to dismiss it.

But the strict rules that ensure its credibility also mean it cannot capture the full scale of tragedy inflicted on Gaza’s children and their families.
Missing from the toll are the thousands of victims still buried under the rubble of destroyed buildings as well as the war’s many indirect victims. Israel’s blockade has created deadly shortages of food, medicine, clean water and fuel.

Starvation has killed at least 150 children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/oct/08/young-lives-cut-short-on-an-unimaginable-scale-the-18457-children-on-gazas-list-of-war-dead

Does this Rabbi dictate government policy?

Unless he does, that’s a bit of a non answer..

I have always been baffled that Israelis are not allowed to show any anger about what Hamas did on Oct 7th, but conversely Palestinians can be excused for Oct 7th because they were driven to it, and this is echoed by their global supporters.

What do Hamas leaders say about Israel and the Jews btw?

If your last paragraph was true, tell me again why 90% of Gazans aren’t dead?

I am personally thankful that Israel made such great efforts to protect civilians.

Surely you must be too?

I never claimed that Rabbi Shaulov dictates government policy. I’m pointing out that there is a public discourse in Israel where influential voices openly call for extreme measures. That rhetoric matters because it normalises violence and informs the climate in which policy is made.

As for Gaza, the fact that 90% of people aren’t dead doesn’t mean the actions aren’t war crimes. Civilians are dying in huge numbers, especially children, and tens of thousands have been wounded or orphaned. Israel’s “efforts to protect civilians” are undermined by blockades, indiscriminate bombardment, and repeated strikes on homes, hospitals, and schools.

You can’t separate statements of intent from actions on the ground. The evidence shows systemic harm to civilians- deliberate or reckless disregard for civilian life- and that is precisely what constitutes war crimes under international law.

OK now do Palestinian Imams, Hamas leaders, Palestinians themselves……….

https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/palestinian-authority-tv-broadcasts-imam-s-sermon-calling-for-the-murder-of-jews

Israelis saying horrible things about Palestinians after what they did and supported on Oct 7th, (and they know up close and personal how embedded the terrorist ideology and culture is embedded in Palestinians), does not constitute proof of a government policy of targeting women and children, No.

Just to be crystal clear: I have never said Israel has a government policy to target women and children. My point is about actions and outcomes, not formal policy.

Civilians, especially children, are dying in huge numbers due to blockades, bombardments, and destruction of homes, hospitals, and schools. Influential voices in Israel calling for extreme measures create a climate where such harm is normalized.

The facts on the ground are what constitute war crimes under international law. Misrepresenting my argument as a claim about official policy is simply misleading.

Also, vile speeches don’t give any state the right to collectively punish, bomb hospitals, starve civilians or flatten neighbourhoods.

It will be interesting to see that even in these very early days of a tentative peace which seems not to be celebrated by pro Palestinian supporters whether terms like ethnic cleansing and genocide will be used in the current tense by those that seem to demonize Israel.

do the 'stop the genocide ' signs go back in the cupboard or will pro pal supporters simply say the genocide and ethnic cleansing started in 1948 so there is still a legitimate reason to continue their anti Semitic causes and marches? I think there is a real fear amongst those that support the Palestinian cause that an end to the war will mean a reduction of the world's attention on this part of the world and the 'just' struggle of the Palestinian people to topple the Zionist regime and reclaim 'their' land.

Interestimg isn't it. Thr pro-Pals have told us so many times that Hamas is finished, leaders killed, nearly everyone dead. Suggesting that Israel is wrong to continue the war because Hamas is no longer a threat.

And yet the BBC are reporting that Hamas commanders in Gaza are calling up 1000s of fighters to "keep order' as Israel withdraws, internal fighting is kicking off and Hamas is executing collaborators.

The infighting between Hamas and other factions will be of no interest to the pro Pals on here (or elsewhere) which should - for the more thoughtful amongst them - make them question why not.

Oh @Twiglets1 you cynic, I'm sure that, as the reality is revealed, the marches will pivot to 'free Palestine from Hamas'. After all UK has recognised Palestine now and maybe camps outside the Qatari embassy?

I am sure given Hamas can come out of hiding without fear of the IDF they will be very quick to bring about summary justice to those factions that sought to depose them during the war. It honk it will be brutal justice (murder) as well. Again the press will shy away from these details.

The danger with peace at the minute is that of Hamas by having weapons can form a Dr facto government by force in the aftermath of the war it will open the question how do you establish a government without Hamas? Who is going to disarm Hamas if the IDF have to withdraw? It was a condition of the peace plan that Hamas basically fuck off but they will do absolutely anything to maintain power as all dictatorships do.

no Arab or international force will combat Hamas as they disperse quickly into civilian populations.

What a disgustingly racist post. Israelis are not baby killing monsters.

They are fighting a war. There are casualties of war, and it is tragic. They are not targeting children on some industrial scale and it is not a genocide - no genocide has ever required consideration by the victims over whether or not to agree to end it. Nor has it ever moved civilians into safe zones.

90% of the infrastructure has been demolished. Rounding up Hamas’ own figure, 100k have died - of a population of 2million that is 5%. Those numbers quite clearly do not mean indiscriminate targeting of civilians - if they're really trying to kill everyone you wouldn’t end up with most of the infra destroyed and most of the people alive. They’re trying to eradicate a group of Islamist terrorists.

I’m not saying this makes it all ok - it is a horrific situation. But it isn’t a genocide and you’ve swallowed an awful amount of propaganda.

It is an openly racist post. Thank you for calling it out.

The genocide is a terrible thing and the many stock responses that appear on social media threads including Mumsnet, blaming Hamas for everything, I suspect are at least partly coming from Israeli bots. Being scared of Hamas is no justification for killing 200,000 innocent children. And the question of Israelis taking Palestinian land is conveniently ignored.

@Puzzledtoday200,000? Just because you write down random numbers doesn’t make it true. I am definitely no Israeli bot, I’m a proud Christian standing on the side of the truth. But listen now that a civil war is starting amongst Muslims, how are you going to blame Israel ? Just want to have a laugh at you. Thanks

Nowhere near 200,000 people have died let alone that number of children. How can anyone take you seriously when you blatantly lie?

If your argument were so secure, would you need to lie like this? Much like how Hamas and mainstream media used images of children with genetic conditions to falsely present a wide-spread famine, cropping out the healthy looking children.

I refer you to the Save The Children Fund report. Are they lying too? Figures vary but the death toll is huge. Israeli propaganda says not, but many Jewish people are horrified and support the Stop The Genocide marches.

Oh dear. Save the Children say 20,000. You can report your own post and ask MN to remove it.

Sorry bad typo!!! Still 20,000 too many and not the case that Hamas do all the killing.

A fairly fundamental typo given what you’re claiming - I’d ask for several of your posts to be deleted. I agree wholeheartedly it’s 20,000 children too many but multiplying figures by 10 is a dangerous mistake.

MN will delete it for you. Please report.

It was an honest mistake and I apologise. However, if my mistake makes people look up the figures and realise the horror of 20K innocent children being killed because they live in the same country as Hamas, perhaps it will have had a good effect. Some of these pro-Israeli Government posts make it sound as if Hamas are doing all the killing and this is very far from the truth.

Literally no one has said on these many threads that Hamas are doing all the killing.

It’s a war so obviously the IDF are killing people too, unfortunately including civilians getting caught up in the fighting.

Any more untrue claims you would like to make?