Trump's new Gaza Plan

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Return of the hostages and an Islamic Arab government: Inside Trump's new Gaza plan:

The Trump administration has reportedly put forward a peace plan which would eventually lead to a complete end to the war in Gaza, a Western source told the Lebanese media site Elnashra on Wednesday, only a day after US President Donald Trump met with the leaders of Muslim countries.

The plan reportedly includes a 20-day ceasefire followed by the return of the hostages. It is unclear in the report, however, how many of the 48 hostages would be returned at this stage of the deal.

Following the return of the abductees, an Arab administration made up of Islamic nations would take over the administration of the Palestinian enclave, according to Elnashra. During this time, a Palestinian government would reportedly be built without the infiltration of Hamas.

Other sources told the Lebanese paper that the Muslim leaders attending the meeting with Trump were supportive of the American president's proposal. Still, they were reportedly awaiting a response from Hamas and Israel to see if the proposal could be fruitful.

The meeting was held on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York and included leaders from the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia, and Pakistan.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-868469

Don’t agree that Israel is a larger threat to Gaza than the other way around if you look at who attacked who on 7/10.

I think it’s a good plan … hope Netanyahu agrees to it on Monday. No agreement will 100% please everyone but as you say, any form of peace is a start and a ceasefire would be fantastic.

Of course it's a greater threat. Israel have killed about 60x the amount of that attack. They have a huge amount of weapons, insisting nukes.

If Hamas were an equal threat, you'd see equal deaths.

How big a threat is to another country can't be measured purely in terms of military capability.

If that was the case Hamas would never have been a threat to Israel but 7/10 showed that that was not the case.

Yes, they have a huge amount of weapons and also put money into defences. Nevertheless they were vulnerable to attack because Hamas with their death cult were not thinking logically about the likely outcome for them and civilians.

I think Starmer has flip-flopped over plenty of things. At least this is a proper plan. But I guess because it’s linked to Trump, a right-wing politician, you just had to have a dig.

The reason Israel kills more Palestinians than the other way around is because Israel protects its citizens where Hamas built no defenses and its strategy is to ensure maximum civilian deaths.

According to various Israeli media sources including Haaretz, Hamas has agreed in principle to the US peace plan which was presented to Israel and Arab countries this week.

The proposal includes a gradual IDF withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, alongside the release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners, in exchange for both the living and the deceased Israeli hostages.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-09-27/ty-article/.premium/sources-hamas-agrees-to-trump-backed-gaza-deal-including-releasing-all-israeli-hostages/00000199-89ec-dbe0-af9d-9fed68270000

It looks like Hamas has agreed to it. Can anyone access and screenshot the Haaretz article? It’s behind a paywall

I'm afraid I can't because as you say, it's behind a paywall. But I can see it is being reported by Haaretz and other sources.

It is also being reported by this source which isn't behind a paywall but Haaretz may be giving more details.

www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0927/1535628-gaza-israel/

Hmm ... a less hopeful article here:

First came a reported green light “in principle,” then came the denial. Speaking to Al Araby, a senior Hamas figure rejected any approval of President Donald Trump’s proposed plan to resolve the war in Gaza, after Israeli daily Haaretz suggested otherwise. “We have never even received the proposal,” the official said.

https://lavocedinewyork.com/en/news/2025/09/27/hamas-says-it-never-received-trumps-gaza-ceasefire-plan/

Hamas using the lost in the post/dog ate my homework excuse then. Pathetic.

Maybe they're waiting for Greta.

They could just read about it in the Times of Israel if it got lost in the post

That was my thought too. Why are they the only people in the world not curious!?

Just game playing ... their leaders will have received the proposal.

Thank you

This is such a ridiculous argument it's laughable.

If Hamas had an equal military capacity to Israel, they would have achieved their aim of wiping out the Jews by now and they certainly wouldn't have facilitated aid or given warnings to evacuate while doing so.

Israel could have wiped out Hamas AND the whole Palestinian population decades ago but the Palestinian population in Gaza has doubled instead.

If Israel has dropped the equivalent of 6, 3 or 2 Hiroshima bombs on Gaza (depending on which publication you believe), and considering 140,000 people were killed with one bomb in Hiroshima, Hamas figures state less than half that have been killed in Gaza so clearly Israel have taken unprecedented steps to limit civilian casualties.

Hamas figures include non war related deaths of approx 12,000 and civilians they have killed themselves (which will be a massive amount from rockets fired from civilian areas and failed rockets, IEDS, mines, etc), and combatant deaths btw.

Hamas figures include non war related deaths of approx 12,000 and civilians they have killed themselves (which will be a massive amount from rockets fired from civilian areas and failed rockets, IEDS, mines, etc), and combatant deaths btw.

Can you please post the credible sources for this claim?

I think what is really important here is that it can be shown that Hamas have comprehensively unambiguously lost. The Palestinians forfeited the right to immediately choose governance on October 7th and it may take many years before the conditions are met such that a new version of Hamas won't take power with the aim of repeating the evils of that day.

one of the tasks of Blair and any committee will have is to oversee the disarming of any residual terror groups within the enclave which will be a long hard job. Various bodies will have to take on the slow job of changing a culture that lead to the formation of a terror state and a desire to eradicate Israel (if it can be done).

victors choose the terms of a peace deal and Israel's first over riding requirement is security i.e. the complete disarmament of Hamas and other terror groups. Security apparatus will need to be set up along the borders of Gaza for an unlimited period. Importantly Israel will want to have confidence in the bodies that can oversee such a disarmament hence the suggestion of establishment figures like Blair taking part. I am sure there will be other Arab nations keen on this before giving money for reconstruction (with no terror tunnels!)

so what for Hamas........well they are desperately clinging onto the hope that they can still be regarded by weaker elements of western society as the entitled rulers of Gaza and a symbol of heroic resistance (urrgh). The pro Palestinian mobs I believe will not be happy at all with the demise of Hamas as many view this heinous group as a tool of righteous revenge against Israel who carry the light of the true peace solution i.e. no Israel. I would think there are many in the West who would still wish to 'educate' the young about the historic wrongs of 1948 and put forward the view the 'struggle' isn't dead and any international governance of Gaza lacks legitimacy and is a western construct that needs overthrowing. Any international peace keeping force of Gaza and interim government officials are going to be in huge danger in my personal opinion.

Peace in Gaza will be replaced by justice for Palestine in the interminable hate marches in London. You will see the true colours of those 'peaceniks' who regularly protest as they come to terms with a Hamas defeat and an end to that impossible dream of the reformation of a new state in the region that isn't Israel.

Interestingly I think Labour aren't too keen for this western backed solution at least openly and I think this is because they hope to get and keep some of the Muslim vote in this country which has evaporated to the Corbyn/Sulatana new anti Semitic party. Many Labour MPs are in constituencies with high percentages of Muslims so open advocacy of a Blair led protectorate is something many in Labour are keen to avoid.

Our government is quite cunning in calling for a ceasefire yet being very coy about the day after. I think Labour recognise there is a minority in this country that will see a defeat of Hamas as the ultimate betrayal of Gaza from the West and will feel a deep anger (as all losers in conflict do).

We certainly aren’t seeing any outpouring of hope from the pro Pals on MN that this plan will work @mids2019

They mainly are ignoring it or being negative.

The pro Palestinians in my view possibly don't want a peace as it to a large extent means an end to their beloved struggle. Remember when western states recognise a state of Palestine many Palestinians have a very different idea of the territory that would contain compared to those in the west.

At its core many Palestinians and their supporters are going to be bereft if a peace seeking government is imposed on Gaza and the long hard job of disarming terrorist groups begins. One of the major problems is having to establish security in Gaza once Hamas fall (and they will fall not surrender). Who should the body responsible for security be? Initially the IDF will have some role but they will want to withdraw if it can be established that Gazans don't remain a threat. The only way to completely demilitarise Gaza is by having an international security body. Arab nations in my opinion would not want to be seen providing security and governance as this would be seen as assisting Israel in its efforts in reducing the threat from Gaza so I think this role may have to lie with the international community at large.

Of course the involvement of peace keeping troops or western government in general is going to be greeted with howls of defiance from the Palestinian mob who will be rabid at the prospect of a new colonisation from their view. What many want from the pro Palestinian view is a governance which will secretly harbour terrorist cells once again for some future point when a revenge can be planned for this current war. The Palestinians will want a government to stoke grievance across the world with the parallel anti semitism with a long term view of delegitimising Israel in the eyes of gullible newer generations.

Its very interesting, isn't it?

As I’ve said before, I think there are lots of positives to this plan. At this point, my main concerns are BN’s reaction/decision (as Israel are never mentioned and are the ones who ultimately will decide Gaza’s fate) and, after reading this thread, Hamas’s reaction/decision as that seems unclear.

There is a strong element of BN’s cabinet who won’t want this agreement and BN has certainly suggested that this sort of agreement isn’t what they want.

Then, with Hamas, it wouldn’t surprise me at this point (post Qatar) if there was some in fighting/disagreement about where to ‘go’ next, hence the mixed messages. If there’s no clear leadership/negotiating team, it’s going to be hard to get an agreement and that could lead to any agreement being ruined by the more militant/jihadi elements going against any attempts at diplomacy.

So not trying to be negative about the plan! Just questioning whether it’s actually going to happen!