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Conflict in the Middle East

Trump's new Gaza Plan

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Twiglets1 · 24/09/2025 15:51

Return of the hostages and an Islamic Arab government: Inside Trump's new Gaza plan:

The Trump administration has reportedly put forward a peace plan which would eventually lead to a complete end to the war in Gaza, a Western source told the Lebanese media site Elnashra on Wednesday, only a day after US President Donald Trump met with the leaders of Muslim countries.

The plan reportedly includes a 20-day ceasefire followed by the return of the hostages. It is unclear in the report, however, how many of the 48 hostages would be returned at this stage of the deal.

Following the return of the abductees, an Arab administration made up of Islamic nations would take over the administration of the Palestinian enclave, according to Elnashra. During this time, a Palestinian government would reportedly be built without the infiltration of Hamas.

Other sources told the Lebanese paper that the Muslim leaders attending the meeting with Trump were supportive of the American president's proposal. Still, they were reportedly awaiting a response from Hamas and Israel to see if the proposal could be fruitful.

The meeting was held on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York and included leaders from the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia, and Pakistan.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-868469

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EasternStandard · 24/09/2025 22:48

Ok feels like a step. I might be missing the bit which scuppers it but I can’t see why not.

maudelovesharold · 24/09/2025 23:26

The people need to be freed from their terrorist rulers. Then, they actually have a chance for the future and to gradually deradicalise with no more UNRA schools teaching hate.

I hope that Israel’s education system will also come under close scrutiny, then. It is well documented by Israeli academics and researchers that Israeli school textbooks are full of hideously derogatory racial stereotyping of Palestinians and skewed narratives concerning their appalling treatment over the years by the State of Israel.

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 07:59

Multiple sources including the BBC are reporting that Tony Blair has been involved in discussions about running a transitional authority in Gaza if there is a ceasefire.

At the heart of the latest proposal - discussed by US President Donald Trump and Arab leaders at the UN this week - is the idea of Gaza being run by a transitional body with UN backing and Gulf support, before being handed back to Palestinian control.

One proposal said to have gained support in Washington is for Sir Tony to lead that authority, although his office has said only that he would not support anything that displaced the people of Gaza.

Reports of discussions about his involvement in a transitional authority for Gaza come after Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Thursday that he was ready to work with Trump and other world leaders to implement a two-state peace plan.

Abbas stressed his rejection of a future governing role for Hamas in Gaza and demanded it disarm.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3drmk95xlzo

Tony Blair wears a blue suit and tie with a white shirt. He has grey hair and there is a wooden desk behind him.

Tony Blair in discussions to run transitional Gaza authority

The former prime minister has been in high-level planning talks over the territory's future, the BBC understands.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3drmk95xlzo

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Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 08:06

A few more details reported in the Telegraph:

The former prime minister has spearheaded a plan to end the war through his think tank, the Tony Blair Institute (TBI).

Mr Trump backed that plan before presenting the idea to the leaders of Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia and five Arab nations at the United Nations General Assembly in New York this week.

Mr Trump said Thursday night that he would not allow Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, to annex the West Bank.

“I will not allow it,” he said while signing executive orders in the Oval Office. “It’s not going to happen. There’s been enough. It’s time to stop now.”

Unlike Gaza, where Israel’s war with Hamas continues, the West Bank is governed by the Palestinian Authority. Mr Trump is due to meet Mr Netanyahu in Washington next week.

Sources previously confirmed to The Telegraph that Sir Tony had been working on a plan to end the war, known as the “day after”, since the conflict broke out in October 2023.

His plan, constantly being updated and revised, does not involve the displacement of Gazans but would involve the creation of a temporary body called the Gaza International Transitional Authority (Gita).

Established by the United Nations, Gita would rule the post-war Strip for several years before handing it over to the PA, which would be expected to undergo significant reforms beforehand.

Gita would serve as the “supreme political and legal authority for Gaza during the transitional period”, a version of a draft proposal reads, according to The Times of Israel.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/25/sir-tony-blair-could-run-gaza/

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SharonEllis · 26/09/2025 08:23

Looks like a promising development.

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 08:31

SharonEllis · 26/09/2025 08:23

Looks like a promising development.

Yes it does.

Encouraging also that Trump is being so adamant about not allowing Netanyahu to annex the West Bank.

He may be the only person in the world that Netanyahu will take instructions from.

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PinkBobby · 26/09/2025 09:40

I think what worries me is there doesn’t seem to be any word from Israel/BN on this plan (as far as I can see! Apologies if I’ve missed anything). I think there are definite positives to what’s on the table but some of the points go against recent comments BN has made about plans for Gaza. It’ll be very interesting to see how the US/Israel relationship evolves/whether Trump can actually stop the direction Israel seem to be going in.

SharonEllis · 26/09/2025 10:08

Trump is mercurial but Blair isnt. He's been working on this region for years and I don't think he would be involved unless he thought there was an opportunity for real progress.

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 10:24

PinkBobby · 26/09/2025 09:40

I think what worries me is there doesn’t seem to be any word from Israel/BN on this plan (as far as I can see! Apologies if I’ve missed anything). I think there are definite positives to what’s on the table but some of the points go against recent comments BN has made about plans for Gaza. It’ll be very interesting to see how the US/Israel relationship evolves/whether Trump can actually stop the direction Israel seem to be going in.

I've just seen on a different thread that Netanyahu is currently on a flight to the US for a meeting with Trump so - hoping an agreement can be reached.

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Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 10:30

It's true @PinkBobby that some of the points go against recent comments BN has made about plans for Gaza.

But realistically, he isn't going to get everything he wants.

Trump is the person to convince him to agree to this plan if anyone can. Just hope that is the case and also that Hamas will agree to the terms.

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Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 10:31

SharonEllis · 26/09/2025 10:08

Trump is mercurial but Blair isnt. He's been working on this region for years and I don't think he would be involved unless he thought there was an opportunity for real progress.

I agree.

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itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 26/09/2025 10:37

I have also read in the AP that Netanyahu’s speech is going to be broadcast through loudspeakers speakers to the Gazans. Why on earth?

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 10:38

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 26/09/2025 10:37

I have also read in the AP that Netanyahu’s speech is going to be broadcast through loudspeakers speakers to the Gazans. Why on earth?

What speech?

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itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 26/09/2025 10:38

His speech at the UN.

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 26/09/2025 10:40

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered that his UN General Assembly speech be broadcast through Israeli army loudspeakers to the people of Gaza, as he faces accusations of war crimes and growing calls to end the conflict in the Strip.

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 10:44

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 26/09/2025 10:38

His speech at the UN.

That's not relevant to the topic we are discussing on this thread but ok.

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PerkingFaintly · 26/09/2025 10:54

I live in hope.

Especially as this seems to be coming from serious people, rather than Trump.

(Although given Trump exists, I'm happier when his bloviations are in favour of a workable peace plan than against it. This week, anyway.)

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 26/09/2025 10:56

However, it was mentioned that Netanyahu was currently flying to the US, and logic would conclude that he, like everyone else, would make a speech in the UN. I just asked why people thought he would feel the need to have his speech broadcast to Gazans. Which is more relevant to this thread than the flotilla jokes were to the other, as you should know.

Livelovebehappy · 26/09/2025 10:57

Great news if it gets followed through. Release the remaining hostages, even if some are dead, so there can be closure for their relatives. Get rid of Hamas, and get a new government in place for the Palestinian people. Hamas will no doubt fight tooth and nail to have involvement to keep themselves relevant- this has been a nice gravy train for their millionaire fat cat leaders. But hopefully getting other Muslim countries and their leaders involved in the talks should get rid of them.

Twiglets1 · 26/09/2025 11:00

itsnotveryfriendlyhereisit · 26/09/2025 10:56

However, it was mentioned that Netanyahu was currently flying to the US, and logic would conclude that he, like everyone else, would make a speech in the UN. I just asked why people thought he would feel the need to have his speech broadcast to Gazans. Which is more relevant to this thread than the flotilla jokes were to the other, as you should know.

God knows why he would do that.

Moving on ... I live in hope too @PerkingFaintly

And yes, great news if it happens @Livelovebehappy

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quantumbutterfly · 26/09/2025 11:07

Livelovebehappy · 26/09/2025 10:57

Great news if it gets followed through. Release the remaining hostages, even if some are dead, so there can be closure for their relatives. Get rid of Hamas, and get a new government in place for the Palestinian people. Hamas will no doubt fight tooth and nail to have involvement to keep themselves relevant- this has been a nice gravy train for their millionaire fat cat leaders. But hopefully getting other Muslim countries and their leaders involved in the talks should get rid of them.

Billionaires apparently, like Yarafats daughter in Paris.

Twiglets1 · 27/09/2025 10:25

Times of Israel has obtained a copy of the 21 point plan for ending the war (paraphrased by the ToI at the request of the sources who provided it):

  1. Gaza will be a de-radicalized, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors.
  2. Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of its people.
  3. If both sides agree to the proposal, the war will immediately end, with Israeli forces halting all operations and gradually withdrawing from the Strip.
  4. Within 48 hours of Israel publicly accepting the deal, all living and deceased hostages will be returned.
  5. Once the hostages are returned, Israel will free several hundred Palestinian security prisoners serving life sentences and over 1,000 Gazans arrested since the start of the war, along with the bodies of several hundred Palestinians.
  6. Once the hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful coexistence will be granted amnesty, while members who wish to leave the Strip will be granted safe passage to receiving countries.
  7. Once this agreement is reached, aid will surge into the Strip at rates no lower than the benchmarks set in the January 2025 hostage deal, which included 600 trucks of aid per day, along with the rehabilitation of critical infrastructure and the entry of equipment for removing rubble.
  8. Aid will be distributed — without interference from either side — by the United Nations and the Red Crescent, along with other international organizations not associated with either Israel or Hamas.
  9. Gaza will be governed by a temporary, transitional government of Palestinian technocrats who will be responsible for providing day-to-day services for the people of the Strip. The committee will be supervised by a new international body established by the US in consultation with Arab and European partners. It will establish a framework for funding the redevelopment of Gaza until the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform program.
  1. An economic plan will be created to rebuild Gaza through the convening of experts with experience in constructing modern Middle East cities and through the consideration of existing plans aimed at attracting investments and creating jobs.
  2. An economic zone will be established, with reduced tariffs and access rates to be negotiated by participating countries.
  3. No one will be forced to leave Gaza, but those who choose to leave will be allowed to return. Moreover, Gazans will be encouraged to remain in the Strip and offered an opportunity to build a better future there.
  4. Hamas will have no role in Gaza’s governance whatsoever. There will be a commitment to destroy and stop building any offensive military infrastructure, including tunnels. Gaza’s new leaders will commit to peaceful coexistence with their neighbors.
  5. A security guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas and other Gaza factions comply with their obligations and that Gaza ceases to pose a threat to Israel or its own people.
  6. The US will work with Arab and other international partners to develop a temporary international stabilization force that will immediately deploy in Gaza to oversee security in the Strip. The force will develop and train a Palestinian police force, which will serve as a long-term internal security body.
  7. Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza, and the IDF will gradually hand over territory it currently occupies, as the replacement security forces establish control and stability in the Strip.
  8. If Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above points will proceed in terror-free areas, which the IDF will gradually hand over to the international stabilization force.
  9. Israel agrees not to carry out future strikes in Qatar. The US and the international community acknowledge Doha’s important mediating role in the Gaza conflict.
  10. A process will be established to de-radicalize the population. This will include an interfaith dialogue aimed at changing mindsets and narratives in Israel and Gaza.
  11. When Gaza’s redevelopment has been advanced and the PA reform program has been implemented, the conditions may be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian statehood, which is recognized as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.
  12. The US will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful coexistence.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/revealed-us-21-point-plan-for-ending-gaza-war-creating-pathway-to-palestinian-state/

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quantumbutterfly · 27/09/2025 10:29

Twiglets1 · 27/09/2025 10:25

Times of Israel has obtained a copy of the 21 point plan for ending the war (paraphrased by the ToI at the request of the sources who provided it):

  1. Gaza will be a de-radicalized, terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbors.
  2. Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of its people.
  3. If both sides agree to the proposal, the war will immediately end, with Israeli forces halting all operations and gradually withdrawing from the Strip.
  4. Within 48 hours of Israel publicly accepting the deal, all living and deceased hostages will be returned.
  5. Once the hostages are returned, Israel will free several hundred Palestinian security prisoners serving life sentences and over 1,000 Gazans arrested since the start of the war, along with the bodies of several hundred Palestinians.
  6. Once the hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful coexistence will be granted amnesty, while members who wish to leave the Strip will be granted safe passage to receiving countries.
  7. Once this agreement is reached, aid will surge into the Strip at rates no lower than the benchmarks set in the January 2025 hostage deal, which included 600 trucks of aid per day, along with the rehabilitation of critical infrastructure and the entry of equipment for removing rubble.
  8. Aid will be distributed — without interference from either side — by the United Nations and the Red Crescent, along with other international organizations not associated with either Israel or Hamas.
  9. Gaza will be governed by a temporary, transitional government of Palestinian technocrats who will be responsible for providing day-to-day services for the people of the Strip. The committee will be supervised by a new international body established by the US in consultation with Arab and European partners. It will establish a framework for funding the redevelopment of Gaza until the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform program.
  1. An economic plan will be created to rebuild Gaza through the convening of experts with experience in constructing modern Middle East cities and through the consideration of existing plans aimed at attracting investments and creating jobs.
  2. An economic zone will be established, with reduced tariffs and access rates to be negotiated by participating countries.
  3. No one will be forced to leave Gaza, but those who choose to leave will be allowed to return. Moreover, Gazans will be encouraged to remain in the Strip and offered an opportunity to build a better future there.
  4. Hamas will have no role in Gaza’s governance whatsoever. There will be a commitment to destroy and stop building any offensive military infrastructure, including tunnels. Gaza’s new leaders will commit to peaceful coexistence with their neighbors.
  5. A security guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas and other Gaza factions comply with their obligations and that Gaza ceases to pose a threat to Israel or its own people.
  6. The US will work with Arab and other international partners to develop a temporary international stabilization force that will immediately deploy in Gaza to oversee security in the Strip. The force will develop and train a Palestinian police force, which will serve as a long-term internal security body.
  7. Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza, and the IDF will gradually hand over territory it currently occupies, as the replacement security forces establish control and stability in the Strip.
  8. If Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above points will proceed in terror-free areas, which the IDF will gradually hand over to the international stabilization force.
  9. Israel agrees not to carry out future strikes in Qatar. The US and the international community acknowledge Doha’s important mediating role in the Gaza conflict.
  10. A process will be established to de-radicalize the population. This will include an interfaith dialogue aimed at changing mindsets and narratives in Israel and Gaza.
  11. When Gaza’s redevelopment has been advanced and the PA reform program has been implemented, the conditions may be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian statehood, which is recognized as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.
  12. The US will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful coexistence.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/revealed-us-21-point-plan-for-ending-gaza-war-creating-pathway-to-palestinian-state/

Edited

Sounds good..

Twiglets1 · 27/09/2025 10:33

Re point 17 If Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above points will proceed in terror-free areas, which the IDF will gradually hand over to the international stabilization force.

The Times of Israel point out that this is the first mention of the possibility that the deal could be at least partially implemented, even if Hamas doesn’t agree.

Re point 20 When Gaza’s redevelopment has been advanced and the PA reform program has been implemented, the conditions may be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian statehood, which is recognized as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

The Times of Israel point out that the clause doesn’t provide details regarding the Palestinian reform program and is not definitive regarding when the pathway to statehood can be established.

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Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 27/09/2025 12:47

I think there's a lot of positive in there. But.

If I'm honest what concerns me is not what's in there but what's not in there.

There is (understandably) a lot of mention of does a not being a threat to Israel, but I'd like to see some reciprocal promises there. Given the large scale destruction and loss of life, is that Israel have caused, Israel is far greater a threat to Gaza than Gaza is to Israel.

More reciprocity with de-radicalization as well.

There's nothing in there to stop Israel bombing Gaza when it feels like it, which it's done for the past 20 years. There needs to be security for Gaza as well. Note under the plan Israel only commit a not bombing Qatar, not Gaza.

20 - don't dangle the idea of statehood as a 'may', but give more certainty than that.

There needs to be a independent mechanism for evaluating whether the ceasefire has been broken, by either side, and repercussions of this. The last ceasefire was extensively broken by Israel, what assurances are there that they will not do the same with this one, and what enforcement mechanism is there?

There also needs to be independent investigations into alleged war crimes and those with arrest warrants for these offences to give themselves up and stand trial. I know this last point will never happen, but it's what should happen!

Anything that stops the IDF continuing to murder people is good, so it's better than the status quo, but frankly there's nothing within that plan that would stop Israel treating Gaza like it has done over the last 20 years. Both sides need protecting against each other, the people on both sides need to have some assurance that a ceasefire will lead to safety for them.

A population is unlikely to genuinely de-radicalize commit to peace if they're still being periodically bombed by the other side.

If I'm honest, there's something rather sickening about expecting the survivors of a genocide to ensure they are not at risk, whilst those that killed them remain free to do as they please. Hopefully history will sort out this wrong, and any form of peace is a start.