Trump's new Gaza Plan

[Twiglets1]

Return of the hostages and an Islamic Arab government: Inside Trump's new Gaza plan:

The Trump administration has reportedly put forward a peace plan which would eventually lead to a complete end to the war in Gaza, a Western source told the Lebanese media site Elnashra on Wednesday, only a day after US President Donald Trump met with the leaders of Muslim countries.

The plan reportedly includes a 20-day ceasefire followed by the return of the hostages. It is unclear in the report, however, how many of the 48 hostages would be returned at this stage of the deal.

Following the return of the abductees, an Arab administration made up of Islamic nations would take over the administration of the Palestinian enclave, according to Elnashra. During this time, a Palestinian government would reportedly be built without the infiltration of Hamas.

Other sources told the Lebanese paper that the Muslim leaders attending the meeting with Trump were supportive of the American president's proposal. Still, they were reportedly awaiting a response from Hamas and Israel to see if the proposal could be fruitful.

The meeting was held on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York and included leaders from the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia, and Pakistan.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-868469

Depends who you believe? I would rather believe them than Hamas supporters like the Pakistan foreign minister.

It's not just Pakistan though is it. Qatar have strongly hinted etc their phrasing that it requires clarification and negotiation. There have also been officials speaking to AP saying loudly "this was not the plan" and the 8 countries which signed the statement are said to be furious being the scenes.

Given how Pro-Israel the agreement is, the likelihood of those countries wanting an American colony in their doorstep and the 'rumours' which back up what Pakistan said, doesn't that make you think. On the other side you have Trump and Netenyahu who wouldn't know truth if it hit them in the face.

But why do I bother. I'm not sure there is any evidence strong enough for you to look at this objectively.

It looks like Hamas leaders on the ground will refuse the peace proposal.
The Hamas leadership in Qatar seems willing to accept the deal with a few minor changes, however they now have no credibility or influence on the Hamas leaders in Gaza.
The main objections seem to be:
The release of all hostages within 72 hours
The deployment of the Arab countries and Turkey "International Security Force"
That it looks like the end of Hamas so they want to go out fighting to the end (although as always it will be the Gazan civilians who suffer).

In short it just reaffirms my opinion that the root cause of death and destruction to Gaza is Hamas, who would happily sacrifice Gazan civilian lives to stay in power.

On the contrary

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/source-hamas-expected-to-respond-positively-but-with-amendments-to-us-gaza-plan-answer-could-be-today/

Qatar may have hinted that the plan requires clarification and negotiation. What they haven't done is say that the plan Trump announced at his press conference has been significantly changed from the one they agreed to.

You talk about strong evidence but don't provide any. You just use vague words like people being "said" to be furious "behind the scenes".

That's just rumours & speculation isn't it? If you have actual evidence of Qatar saying the plan has changed from the one they agreed, provide a reputable source.

On the contrary:
https://apple.news/A8Qjoi5iJRO20PitVbKdiVg

A better link to the article:

Hamas military leader in Gaza objects to ceasefire plan, BBC understands https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c708v2q5r09o

Wow... sounds like that Hamas leader Izz al-Din al-Haddad thinks that Hamas is finished in Gaza either way so they may as well go out fighting.

No regard whatsoever for civilian life.

I don't say it was 🙄

'New Gaza' (as they dub it) will be. Though technically a Trump colony. He has said he will 'reign over Gaza''. It's a dictatorship with no limits to his power that we are aware of. No accountability

I’ve never heard of a genocide where the victims a) have leverage to end the genocide and b) opt not to.

You’ve completely misunderstood the post you tagged !

good grief!! Indeed

(Granted the innocent Palestinian civilians are not the ones refusing the peace plan.)

I apologise for misunderstanding.

So it wasn't me being stupid here then was it...

Trump gives Hamas Sunday deadline to accept Gaza peace plan

Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform on Friday that an agreement must be reached by 18:00 Washington time (22:00 GMT) on Sunday.

The plan proposes an immediate end to fighting and the release within 72 hours of 20 living Israeli hostages held by Hamas - as well as the remains of hostages thought to be dead - in exchange for hundreds of detained Gazans.

Arab and Turkish mediators are understood to be pressing Hamas for a positive response to the proposal, but a senior Hamas figure has said the armed group is likely to reject it.

"If this LAST CHANCE agreement is not reached, all HELL, like no one has ever seen before, will break out against Hamas. THERE WILL BE PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ONE WAY OR THE OTHER," Trump wrote in the Truth Social post.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxq7zp7002o

I believe 9 girls under 16 have been killed in the last two years by Hamas (although I only know the names of 7), two of which were shot by Hamas, 1 caught in crossfire, one killed by an anti tank missile, 3 killed in IDF shelling and, two Beduin girls were killed in a. rocket attack. There is no suggestion that this was a directive by Sinwar.

Girls killed by Israel in the last two years alone is in 5 figures.

So your hero Sinwar didn't mastermind thr October 7th attacks? He didn't lead an organisation that raped, kidnapped and murdered over a thousand people?

Looks like Palestinians are taking matters into their own hands

Hamas have responded to the peace plan

Lets hope it’s all acceptable to Israel and we will see peace at last.

Or will we ?

Updated news

.

I wonder if Israel's cessation is premature given the concessions wrought from Hamas with the threat of imminent destruction? The hostage release is wonderful but this does leave the conflict in the balance. I have always been of the view you can't negotiate with terrorists but the further disucssions hopefully will not lead to Hamas playing a part in political life in Gaza or able to continue to terrorise.

Let's hope the peace plan progresses.

I see the vile specimen that carried out the attack in the UK on the Synagogue had recently been arrested for a rape charge. Police say he was radicalised by extreme Islam. There is a growing concern with extreme Islamic in Europe. Others have been arrested now too.

The UK should really crackdown on people who talk and spread extremist views. Palestine Action having assaulted someone with a sledgehammer and broken into a military base are extremists. These people need watching carefully. They walk amongst us and crackdown on what they suggest eg violence is long overdue.

Apparently the nature of radicalisation is changing with more online involvement and some not known to the police in terms of terrorism now self radicalising by viewing material on Gaza and engaging with pro Palestine support to feel part of a crowd with some inks of virtuous mission. These are scary times and I fear it not question of if but when the next attack on Jews is made.