Trump's new Gaza Plan

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Return of the hostages and an Islamic Arab government: Inside Trump's new Gaza plan:

The Trump administration has reportedly put forward a peace plan which would eventually lead to a complete end to the war in Gaza, a Western source told the Lebanese media site Elnashra on Wednesday, only a day after US President Donald Trump met with the leaders of Muslim countries.

The plan reportedly includes a 20-day ceasefire followed by the return of the hostages. It is unclear in the report, however, how many of the 48 hostages would be returned at this stage of the deal.

Following the return of the abductees, an Arab administration made up of Islamic nations would take over the administration of the Palestinian enclave, according to Elnashra. During this time, a Palestinian government would reportedly be built without the infiltration of Hamas.

Other sources told the Lebanese paper that the Muslim leaders attending the meeting with Trump were supportive of the American president's proposal. Still, they were reportedly awaiting a response from Hamas and Israel to see if the proposal could be fruitful.

The meeting was held on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York and included leaders from the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia, and Pakistan.

www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-868469

Do we know which of the 21 points was invited in the final?

I feel like they've created such an awful 'deal' that either Hamas agrees and likely gives Gaza to the US (which is basically the plan) or refuses and is then deemed to be choosing to continue this.

This is no win for the Palestinians. Only for Israel and America (and American pockets).

Moments before Trump and Netanyahu took the stage, the US released details of its proposed peace plan for Gaza.

Israel has agreed to the 20-point plan, but Hamas has not.

The proposal, if followed, would begin with the immediate cessation of military operations. It also says existing "battle lines" would be frozen in place.

Under the plan, Hamas would lay down its arms and its offensive weaponry would be destroyed. It would release 20 living Israeli hostages and the remains of more than two dozen believed to be dead within 72 hours.

Once those hostages are released, the proposal says Israel would release hundreds of detained Gazans.

It also says that once both sides agree to the proposal "full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip".

The US also outlines its plan for the future governance of Gaza. It says a "technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee" will govern temporarily "with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the Board of Peace, which will be headed" by Trump.

It adds that Hamas must have no role in governance, "directly, indirectly, or in any form".

Much of the plan is focused on what the US calls an "economic development plan" to rebuild Gaza. It also says "Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza" and its forces will withdraw from the territory in stages over time.

The plan also leaves the door open to an eventual Palestinian state.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd63wl4z6q3t

Very good speaker, calling it an inflection point. A big deal but it really does lie with Hamas to answer.

I would say that an end to the fighting would be a win for Gazans.

So would rebuilding Gaza. So would Israel promising not to "occupy or annex Gaza".

So would getting rid of Hamas be a win for them!

Do you think it's a just and fair plan for the Palestinians, which gives them sufficient assurance that Israel won't bomb them? Do you think Trump can possibly lead this given how biased he is, the reputation he has, and the disgusting comments about redevelopment he's made?

Yes we do need to hear how Hamas respond.

A lot of middle eastern countries have agreed to the plan though. And sounds like Trump is trying to bribe even Iran to agree to it too, with his mention of the Abraham Accords, “and who knows maybe even Iran can get in there.”

I missed the conference but Times radio had an analyst on who thought Hamas was likely to say no. But he also said it should be viewed as an inflection point in terms of how it will be viewed in time.

It’s a lot to take in, I don’t have a stance as yet but trying to understand what this means. Idk what they should do.

Given that Israel has only ever retaliated and never initiated, I think it's fair to assume as long as Gaza doesn't attack Israel, it remains safe.

But how do we know there'll be an end to the fighting? Israel's only promised not to bomb Qatar, and it previously bombed Gaza whenever it felt like it. Gaza needs reassurance that this can't continue.

Honestly, I don't trust Trump. More importantly, Gazans aren't going to trust Trump. And they shouldn't, given what he's suggested happen to Gaza. He's created a 'deal' which he knows will never be accepted. It's not a negotiated settlement, but colonialism imposed with a gun to the Gazans head.

Would you trust Trump if you were Gazan? Honestly? After everything he's said and done!

Who is being asked? It’s not the people of Gaza but Hamas.

I take it you've never heard of them 'moving the lawn'?
I take it you've not heard of the thousands of Palestinians, including children, held for indefinite periods without charge?
I take it you've never heard of Israel banning even basic things like chocolate, in Gaza for 20 years to try to break the will of the people?
I take it you've not heard of the settlers?
I take it you've not heard how the IDF stand by and watch as settlers inflict violence and rash time and time again?
I take it you've not heard that Israel is run by a suspected war criminal, on the run from the courts?
I take it you've not heard that the UN now considers Israel to be committing genocide?

Why would Israel bomb them if they have demilitarised and are no longer a threat?

Ok, I'm asking YOU. If Trump had made those comments about the future of your land
Had jokes about the real estate potential. Had jokes about erecting a gold statue of himself as God. Supported the state that's been committing genocide against you? Would you trust him?

Exactly, the people of Gaza have never had much say in anything.

Maybe both sides should demilitarize then? Because both sides have been tit for that for decades, and neither trust that the other won't attack.

Remember Netenyahu literally funded Hamas to destabilise Gaza and reduce the likelihood of long term peace. He doesn't want a 2 state solution and is doing everything in his power to stop it.

I honestly don't know why we bother. Of course Israel can't demilitarise.

That's what I've always liked about you ... your positivity.

It doesn't matter if Gazans do or don't trust Trump ... they've only ever been used as pawns by their own government so I for one don't think they could be treated any worse than what they've already endured under Hamas "leadership".

I agree, maybe we shouldn't bother. The people being slaughtered by tens of thousands should clearly demilitarize, whilst those committing the genocide, who have nukes, and have committed 99% of deaths (not an exaggeration) should stay armed to the hilt with the ability to carry on killing people.

If that's your logic, I despair.

And no, I'm not suggesting either side are left without cover, I'm suggesting international peacekeepers take over until both sides can be trusted again.

Terrorists demilitarise. Governments don't. As has happened in every settlement involving terrorists.

So thinking about how Hamas will respond.

The Hamas leadership based in Qatar are likely to agree provided that they get to keep their UN siphoned off millions and their current lifestyle in Qatar. Unfortunately though they have little sway over Hamas leaders in Gaza who dislike them for living in luxury in Qatar whilst they do the fighting.

The ordinary Hamas operatives in Gaza might be supportive provided that they individually can get rich under the peace settlement and reconstruction by simply becoming organised criminals with guns.

However I cant see why the Hamas leaders and senior operatives based in Gaza would ever agree to this deal- I mean what's in it for them. Besides it's in their interest to reject the deal so that Israel will keep bombing them and so that more Gazan civilians will die / suffer. That way they can get more support from the Western liberals against Israel.

So in short unfortunately I can't see how it would work.

Incidentally I am appalled at the criticism of this peace proposal by many of the pro Palestinian posters (regardless of whether Hamas accept it or not). It's almost as though they want this conflict to continue.

'Incidentally I am appalled at the criticism of this peace proposal by many of the pro Palestinian posters (regardless of whether Hamas accept it or not). It's almost as though they want this conflict to continue'

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Incidentally I am appalled at the criticism of this peace proposal by many of the pro Palestinian posters (regardless of whether Hamas accept it or not). It's almost as though they want this conflict to continue.

Agreed.

I want it to end. But I don't want this.
I want a lasting peace that can be built upon, headed by someone both sides can trust.

But noone ever comes up with who that might be.

Not sure about the shouting you. I wouldn't want to be stuck under a terrorist organisation that I know would kill me should I protest. And yes I'd probably want the attacks to end. The point is Gazans are not being asked, Hamas is.