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Central Bank of Ireland confirms it will no longer approve sale of Israeli ‘war bonds’

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Everexpanding · 01/09/2025 17:24

Good news. Political pressure, protests and letters beginning to work

www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/09/01/israel-to-market-war-bonds-through-luxembourg-as-irish-authority-expires/

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CaramelPecan · 03/09/2025 21:45

GladioliGreen · 03/09/2025 16:56

Nobody(but you) is talking about denying Israelis medicine, denying medicine is something the Israeli government does. I'm talking about Israelis suffering economically, that wouldn't trouble me at all.

'Normal' Russians have suffered economically and culturally due to sanctions not just the uber rich. PayPal for instance stopped Russians from using their service, loads and loads of small business who sell internationally have suffered because of that and seemingly, if people think just the uber wealthy were effected, people don't just not care about it they don't even know about it.

Sorry I'm typing while distracted. I understand that PayPal is not a governmwnt sanction but I would support companies doing similar to Israeli citizens. I think financially inconveniencing people into action would be a positive move. For too long Israelis have sat on their hands and not just ignored but had benefit from their governments and citizens illegal activities. If money will make them wake up and say enough is enough then I'm all for it.

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Why am I not surprised you’ve made a comparison with Russia, who are the aggressor in that war.

Why are you not suggesting the Hamas billionaires outside of Gaza have all their assets frozen, together with the bank accounts of Hamas/PIJ and any other terrorists inside Gaza?

Gazans seem to use banking apps to pay for the free aid so the money is going to someone at the end of the chain or shut down the currency traders the banking app money goes to.

Maybe that might focus their minds on surrender and releasing the hostages.

What benefits have the Israelis had from ‘their governments and citizens illegal activities’?

Not being murdered in a terrorist attack?

hellohellooo · 03/09/2025 22:00

CaramelPecan · 01/09/2025 23:07

Who made the decision in this, Israel or Ireland, as it’s not clear from the article. Doesn’t sound like Israel asked for a renewal.

X commentators seem to say Israel so hardly a ‘win’ for Ireland.

Didn’t Israel close its embassy in Dublin last December due to the "extreme anti-Israel policy of the Irish government" characterised as "antisemitism”?

Here we go again!!!

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Denial 😡😡😡😡😡

hellohellooo · 03/09/2025 22:01

Well done Ireland yet again

I'm so proud of my country 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

PaxAeterna · 03/09/2025 22:21

GladioliGreen · 03/09/2025 17:05

If I wanted Israelis to die I would be suggesting that countries band together and bomb the shit out them like their government has been doing to people under their watch. If sanctions meant Israelis needed aid I would be all for my government and others helping in feeding and providing healthcare to them through aid organisations like they are trying to do in Gaza, hopefully no governments would stand in the way and block that.

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No 100% I agree with you. I understand you weren’t saying that you wanted Israelis to die.
I was conflating boycotts and sanctions a bit there.

Normal Russians have been impacted. But the (EU) sanctions are specifically targeted in a way that makes it difficult for wealthy people in particular and makes it more difficult to fund the war. They have specific goals - they aren’t designed to inflict misery on the average Russian citizen. They also avoid inflicting pain on EU citizens. A lot of thought goes into them basically. I think boycotts themselves can be haphazard and what Israel exports to Ireland cannot easily be boycotted (parts of things)

Twiglets1 · 03/09/2025 23:44

hellohellooo · 03/09/2025 22:01

Well done Ireland yet again

I'm so proud of my country 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

Why? It was Israel who moved the bond approval process out of Ireland to Luxembourg.

GladioliGreen · 03/09/2025 23:59

CaramelPecan · 03/09/2025 21:45

Why am I not surprised you’ve made a comparison with Russia, who are the aggressor in that war.

Why are you not suggesting the Hamas billionaires outside of Gaza have all their assets frozen, together with the bank accounts of Hamas/PIJ and any other terrorists inside Gaza?

Gazans seem to use banking apps to pay for the free aid so the money is going to someone at the end of the chain or shut down the currency traders the banking app money goes to.

Maybe that might focus their minds on surrender and releasing the hostages.

What benefits have the Israelis had from ‘their governments and citizens illegal activities’?

Not being murdered in a terrorist attack?

What benefits have the Israelis had from ‘their governments and citizens illegal activities’?

Are you serious? The 700000 Israelis living in occupied territory? Israel’s confiscation of land, water, and other natural resources for the benefit of settlements and residents of Israel(a violation of the Hague convention). Israelis sit and watch this happen, year in year out, a lot say that they disagree with it but do absolutely nothing to rectify the situation. They hold neither the settlers themselves or the Israeli government accountable.

Israels illegal occupation in the West Bank alone has cost the Palestinian economy over $60billion since 2000. Israelis have no problem 'sanctioning' Palestinians.

If Israelis are all looking peace like we are told then I am sure they would be greatful for the international community putting pressure on their government to stop slaughtering people and stop stealing land(after all they are all supposedly against that). Weirdly enough though mention banning trade with illegal settlements and suddenly all the people who are soooo against them in the first place get all red faced and shouty almost like they aren't actually against them all.

Twiglets1 · 04/09/2025 00:08

GladioliGreen · 03/09/2025 23:59

What benefits have the Israelis had from ‘their governments and citizens illegal activities’?

Are you serious? The 700000 Israelis living in occupied territory? Israel’s confiscation of land, water, and other natural resources for the benefit of settlements and residents of Israel(a violation of the Hague convention). Israelis sit and watch this happen, year in year out, a lot say that they disagree with it but do absolutely nothing to rectify the situation. They hold neither the settlers themselves or the Israeli government accountable.

Israels illegal occupation in the West Bank alone has cost the Palestinian economy over $60billion since 2000. Israelis have no problem 'sanctioning' Palestinians.

If Israelis are all looking peace like we are told then I am sure they would be greatful for the international community putting pressure on their government to stop slaughtering people and stop stealing land(after all they are all supposedly against that). Weirdly enough though mention banning trade with illegal settlements and suddenly all the people who are soooo against them in the first place get all red faced and shouty almost like they aren't actually against them all.

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The only person I’ve seen getting “red faced” is @hellohellooo above with their five red faced angry emojis 😡

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 04/09/2025 07:01

As soon as the anti-Israel argument moves to historical matters rather than just the current conflict in Gaza - which is today’s pre-text for anti-Israel activism - the true depth of the anti-semitism is revealed.

Some people and countries simply don’t want Israel to exist at all.

Everexpanding · 05/09/2025 12:32

Further explanation and some hope

www.thejournal.ie/central-bank-ireland-israel-bonds-6807549-Sep2025/?utm_source=thejournal&utm_content=top-stories

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Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 20:04

Pin prick.

GladioliGreen · 10/09/2025 21:02

The tide is definitely turning.

Ursula von der Leyen said the EU executive would freeze its bilateral support for Israel, apart from funds for civil society groups and the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial centre. The commission would also table proposals to suspend the trade parts of the EU-Israel association agreement and draft sanctions against Israeli extremist ministers and violent settlers in the West Bank.

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/10/ursula-von-der-leyen-suspension-eu-trade-israel

Stripes56 · 11/09/2025 04:47

GladioliGreen · 10/09/2025 21:02

The tide is definitely turning.

Ursula von der Leyen said the EU executive would freeze its bilateral support for Israel, apart from funds for civil society groups and the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial centre. The commission would also table proposals to suspend the trade parts of the EU-Israel association agreement and draft sanctions against Israeli extremist ministers and violent settlers in the West Bank.

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/10/ursula-von-der-leyen-suspension-eu-trade-israel

Thank you @GladioliGreen
I intermittently check what EU doing about their association with Israel, as Israel does care what it’s closest allies think. They appeared to have increased aid transfer into Gaza at behest of US and EU.

von der Leyen appears to have given a good speech from that article. It’s great to see leaders standing up for basic principles.

I am not hopeful that there will be majority support for the association with Israel to be even partially revoked though. Germany and Italy didn’t want to stop Israel being involved in the Horizon programme previously. Maybe this will change now?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/european-commission-israel-horizon-europe#:~:text=Some%20gave%20immediate%20support%2C%20with,claims%20have%20been%20repeatedly%20undermined.

Individual countries and organisations are showing their concerns in other ways.

European Commission proposes suspending Israel from part of Horizon research programme

Horizon Europe is among the most prestigious science research programmes in the world

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/european-commission-israel-horizon-europe#:~:text=Some%20gave%20immediate%20support%2C%20with,claims%20have%20been%20repeatedly%20undermined.

GladioliGreen · 11/09/2025 09:14

Stripes56 · 11/09/2025 04:47

Thank you @GladioliGreen
I intermittently check what EU doing about their association with Israel, as Israel does care what it’s closest allies think. They appeared to have increased aid transfer into Gaza at behest of US and EU.

von der Leyen appears to have given a good speech from that article. It’s great to see leaders standing up for basic principles.

I am not hopeful that there will be majority support for the association with Israel to be even partially revoked though. Germany and Italy didn’t want to stop Israel being involved in the Horizon programme previously. Maybe this will change now?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/european-commission-israel-horizon-europe#:~:text=Some%20gave%20immediate%20support%2C%20with,claims%20have%20been%20repeatedly%20undermined.

Individual countries and organisations are showing their concerns in other ways.

Yes, i would hope to see more countries follow Spains lead on this. A ban on imports from illegal Israeli settlements, a ban on Israel bound weapons from entering ports and air spaces, not allowing anyone who has participated directly in genocide in Gaza to enter Spain and an increase in support for Palestinians in this difficult time.

The EU haven't done enough and the reaction has been far too slow but I think that if you look at where we are now and compare it to where we were a year ago there has been a significant shift. It's so important if people are in the EU that they keep contacting their MEPs to keep the momentum going.

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GladioliGreen · 11/09/2025 16:31

The Netherlands are to ban the import of goods from illegal Israeli settlements, they will also back plans to suspend trade-related measures in a European Union agreement with Israel.

nltimes.nl/2025/09/11/dutch-govt-ban-imports-israeli-settlements-quickly-possible

Stripes56 · 11/09/2025 20:56

GladioliGreen · 11/09/2025 16:31

The Netherlands are to ban the import of goods from illegal Israeli settlements, they will also back plans to suspend trade-related measures in a European Union agreement with Israel.

nltimes.nl/2025/09/11/dutch-govt-ban-imports-israeli-settlements-quickly-possible

In the absence of a majority vote in the EU - individual countries are taking matters into their own hands to try and express their concerns about Israel’s actions.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 12/09/2025 17:49

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 02/09/2025 11:43

Ireland is fast becoming the European pariah.

I do wonder about the psychology behind Irish antisemitism. The usual analysis is that Ireland was subjected and harmed by a bigger power, and that that accounts for Irish support for Palestinians.

But anyone with even the slightest awareness of history would see that a people brutally treated and who campaigned and killed for a homeland free of external intervention…would sympathise with Jews and Israel.

So I suppose the Irish impulse is just ‘good’ old antisemitism.

Israel is fast becoming the pariah of the world.

EasyTouch · 13/09/2025 16:16

As a Black woman who always rolls my eyes at Irish people trying to rewrite themselves as the only Whites who have no investment in White Supremacy ( blatant bull), I'd suggest researching your country's long history of anti Semitism that travelled worldwide with its diaspora ( especially the US).
Did any of your top notch ever get around to opening a book of condolences for the 7/10 victims , by the way?
That inaction did not go amiss....

Everexpanding · 13/09/2025 20:25

Bullshit there is no long history of anti semitism in Ireland, and that point is not relevant to calling out a genocide. very many Jewish people are also calling out the actions of the Israeli government . Is Amos Goldberg anti-Semitic?

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PlusBarrette · 13/09/2025 20:58

Everexpanding · 13/09/2025 20:25

Bullshit there is no long history of anti semitism in Ireland, and that point is not relevant to calling out a genocide. very many Jewish people are also calling out the actions of the Israeli government . Is Amos Goldberg anti-Semitic?

There's a long history of antisemitism pretty much everywhere. Including Ireland.

Everexpanding · 13/09/2025 20:59

Far greater in countries supporting Israel, so fail to see relevance

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SharonEllis · 13/09/2025 21:00

Everexpanding · 13/09/2025 20:25

Bullshit there is no long history of anti semitism in Ireland, and that point is not relevant to calling out a genocide. very many Jewish people are also calling out the actions of the Israeli government . Is Amos Goldberg anti-Semitic?

You've not heard of the Limerick pogrom/boycott then? Yet you are so rude to.someone who points out the history of antusemitism in Ireland?

Everexpanding · 13/09/2025 21:20

I have heard about the Limerick pogrom not excusing it no one was killed, predominantly an economic boycott with some assaults, started by a priest, priests have responsibility for a lot harm in Irish history. I don’t think it rivals pogroms in Eastern Europe, the holocaust etc. I would not describe it as part of a long history of anti semitism. five Jewish families left Limerick "owing directly to the agitation" while another 26 families remained
did you know Dublin and Youghal had Jewish Lord Mayors so not so antisemetic

In 1956, Briscoe became the first Jewish Lord Mayor of Dublin,[48][49] although he was not the first Jewish Mayor in Ireland. That title belongs to William Annyas, who was elected Mayor of Youghal, County Cork in 1555.[50] Briscoe was Dublin's first Jewish Lord Mayor, although Lewis Wormser Harris was elected Lord Mayor in 1876, but died before assuming office.[51]Briscoe served a one-year term and was re-elected in 1961.

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SharonEllis · 13/09/2025 21:28

Everexpanding · 13/09/2025 21:20

I have heard about the Limerick pogrom not excusing it no one was killed, predominantly an economic boycott with some assaults, started by a priest, priests have responsibility for a lot harm in Irish history. I don’t think it rivals pogroms in Eastern Europe, the holocaust etc. I would not describe it as part of a long history of anti semitism. five Jewish families left Limerick "owing directly to the agitation" while another 26 families remained
did you know Dublin and Youghal had Jewish Lord Mayors so not so antisemetic

In 1956, Briscoe became the first Jewish Lord Mayor of Dublin,[48][49] although he was not the first Jewish Mayor in Ireland. That title belongs to William Annyas, who was elected Mayor of Youghal, County Cork in 1555.[50] Briscoe was Dublin's first Jewish Lord Mayor, although Lewis Wormser Harris was elected Lord Mayor in 1876, but died before assuming office.[51]Briscoe served a one-year term and was re-elected in 1961.

Just because noone was killed doesnt mean it wasnt antisemitism.

Noone said it rivalled eastern european pogroms.

Noone with a brain would consider saying it rivalled the Holocaust. I didnt and neither did @EasyTouch

The existence of a Jewish Lord Mayors does not prove Ireland has no history of antisemitism. Does Barack Obama prove there was no racism in America? Of course not.

Everexpanding · 13/09/2025 21:32

Well I definitely do not think it has relevance to criticism of a campaign of bombing and starvation in current times which has claimed the lives of 60, 000 people +++ a total that is daily added to

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