IDF bombs Nasser hospital and then bombs the rescue worker a second time.

[Kakeandkake]

It is so sickening that they continue to act with such impunity. The bombed the hospital killing four journalists and THEN struck a second time killing the rescue workers who were trying to retrieve the bodies of the dead and injured.

The genocide continues in plain sight.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp89rp48246o

'We are focusing on the Nassar hospital attack because it is the title of this thread'

Yes and as I went on to say you are not focusing on what on earth terrorists are doing there with their surveillance kit in the first place.

The only people to blame for civilian casualties are the terrorists who hide among them.

Perhaps its just my mood today, but I don't share your optimism that these threads are a good thing. I've been around long enough to see that the vast majority of posters dont actually make any attempt to understand the other pov, and more than that I believe to constant back and forth entrenches each side further into their own corner. After you've fought so hard and so long for a specific school of thought its extremely, extremely hard to break out.

I'm mainly here these days to point out untruths and misinformation.

I hope you can have success though!

6-10 terrorist you say. Where did you get that figure from? Please dont tell me x

And this. Not going to answer? Which of the journalists killed were Hamas members dressed as journalists as you claim?

Im focusing on the damage done by those who carried out a war crime when they bombed Nasser hospital.

Its a hospital. The IDF knew that. And the result: more dead Palestinians, more dead medics, more dead journalists, more disabled Palestinians, more medical space and equipment out of action, more condemnation of Israel, more IDF soldiers at risk of being tried for war crimes, the weakening of Israel, more trauma for everyone involved.

Hamas hide among civilians.
Hamas don't care about civilians.
This is not new, nor does it justify the bombing of a hospital.

International law specifically allows for hospitals to become legitimate military targets if acts deemed harmful to the enemy are being carried out in that hospital.

Neither you nor I know what was being done in that hospital that Israel deemed harmful to itself. A war crime may or may not have been commited.

Its also a war crime to conduct military activities amongst civilians with the intent to make those civilians targets. Hamas may or may not have commited this war crime here, again, neither you nor I know.

In any case, neither of these possible war crimes would have been commited had Hamas already surrendered and accepted terms.

A bit of balance would be very welcome here.

That’s totally fair - to be honest, I have moments when I have to step away too. But it’s important to call out weak sources/misinformation/racism (on whatever side you’re on) and it is important to hear the other side with some degree of open mindedness. Plenty of people clearly aren’t open to it which can make discussions feel like Groundhog Day but lots of people might be and the more ‘good’ sources and facts (as hard as they are to find) that are shared, the better!

Both sides have and probably will continue to commit war crimes. Both sides can explain why they have acted but, in my option, neither side can justify their actions. They’re a crime for a reason. So I don’t think Hamas should hide out in hospitals and purposefully put civilians in harm way and I don’t think that tactic gives Israel a green card to target hospitals.

Is "they had a suspicious camera" enough reason?

How is the destruction of a camera regardless of the loss of life, loss of infrastructure and risk of war crimes, balance?

You're clutching at straws. Not providing balance @dairydebris.

Do you have full access to Israeli intelligence?

Because I don't. There has been previous hospital strikes without their very own threads on here that have at later dates have been found to have killed senior members of Hamas. I'll link to a BBC thread below.

Israel target Hamas members wherever they can. International law allows for hospitals to become targets under certain conditions. Neither you nor I have access to full information.

It remains the case that had this Hamas nutjob surrendered along with his murder buddies at any time in the last months the war could have been over. And many people could still be with their loved ones.

No one here on these threads wants to see hospitals bombed. The balance comes in when considering why this war is still continuing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3y046q91no

And won't point out 'misinformation' when it's someone who is pro Israel making up stories not even backed by the IDF about what happened. So balanced.

What story have I made up?

I didn't see any misinformation from Twiglets? I haven't read every single post on this forum though... and that poster has always seemed reasonable to me, perhaps you should raise it with them rather than this tattle tale, we're all adults. 🙄

In any case, my call was for balance in viewing the situation in Israel / Palestine. I suppose its too much to ask for balance in posts on here.

This is very unfair and unpleasant, we are all going on the masses of online often contradictory reporting. No one is knowingly 'making up stories'.

I listened to what the IDF said.
First it was an accident.
Then it was deliberate, because of the camera, but the wrong missiles might have been used.
Then it was so they could kill Hamas members dressed up as journalists.

The IDF and Israeli government are throwing out lie after lie. You pick one and believe it, if that makes you feel better but it's still a war crime.

You still haven't said where you read 6-10 terrorists were killed. I have looked everywhere and can only find the IDF allegedly claiming to kill 6. Where did you get the 10 figure from?

Or this.

A bold terrible claim to make but refusing to answer where you got such information from. Which of the journalists killed where Hamas members dressing up as journalists?

Again, and for the last time, neither you nor I know the full truth behind what's happened.
The IDF lie, as all armies do. The terrorists lie, as all terrorists do. The truth will maybe come out, maybe not. Maybe the truth will be known ever to only a few select people- maybe most of us will never know.

My point remains that all those people would still be alive if Hamas had met conditions and surrendered.

I'll leave you to your righteous anger now. I hope you enjoy it. I think you might.

My anger isn't a problem. It's a normal human response to violence like this.

I'd leave you to your denial, but you're the one who wants to discuss it here.

This is where the figure of 10 came from, which we don't yet know whether to be true or not:

Channel 12, citing military sources, reported that 18 people were killed in total, including 10 Hamas operatives, though the IDF has so far confirmed only six.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-widens-nasser-hospital-probe-amid-questions-over-tank-shelling-authorization

That’s a completely biased source

Maybe... but @Kakeandkake wanted to know where the figure of 10 came from so I was obliging by telling them.

Thanks.

So the IDF said 6 but Gloriia's source is this random Israeli channel that claimed 10? I can see why there is so much misinformation on this thread now.