Triggernometry - interview with Netanyahu

[Digitalhen]

Thoughts on this interview?

Massive scoop for the Trigger podcast.

You're relying on chatgtp. My God. Even better you're trying to assert it to refute holocaust comparisons as being antisemitic. I'd stop digging.

Could you please answer me a straight question perhaps.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you believe that comparisons with the Holocaust are never appropriate*.

Hypothetically speaking, could the actions of a hypothetical Israeli state ever mean it's ok in your eyes to make the comparison? And saying hypothetical because it's not where we are now, or where Gaza will get to thankfully. But if in the future it went really rogue (like any country could theoretically do) and started literally mirroring history, would you still say it's an anti-Semitic comparison?

If Israel.teamed up with another country (say Egypt, in this hypothetical scenario) and they did it together, would you say it's ok for that comparison to be made against Egypt and not against Israel?

I guess the nub of my question is whether it's:

1. always wrongly regardless of similarities?
2. ok where there really are close similarities but there are none here?
3. there may be similarities but given the history, find a more obscure comparison even if you don't know one and it doesn't fit as well?

I'm not coming back to you with specific examples of similarities, save for as mentioned below. But I am genuinely interested if there's any form of line for you, and what it would be?

• I'm NOT of the view that this is anything like the Holocaust. I think there's genocide and ethnic cleansing and some elements of proposed behaviour -ie proposed concentration camp are uncomfortably similar to the Ghettos. But overall, obviously it's a totally different scale and situation. I also don't want us to wait for things to get to the 'worst ever' before we intervene as a world.

😂😂

No, but sometimes I ask it for input and then check it, supplement it etc.
It's got enough wrong that I'm pretty dubious of It, but it's got it's occasional uses as well, providing you ask for the sources of data and check them.

I'm not getting them to write any posts or lifting stars from there or anything. But it's a resource with strengths and weaknesses and I'll asses it as such.

I don't think it's got a weakness of being algorithmed to be anti Semitic though 😂

There was a poster talking about inappropriate humour on serious threads. I wonder if I should show her your laughing emojis on the subject of antisemitism. Nah, pointless. I'm so used to the make it up as you go along BS by now.

So are you going to give me a straight answer to my question?

There have been countless interviews with Settlers, with Daniella Weiss and her ilk and some with regular Israeli citizens justifying the expansions by saying that jewish people were promised the land and were chosen. This is why I equate it with superiority, that one group of people is above others and therefore can take their land even if it means killing the inhabitants. The terms “chosen” and “promised by God” are being used to justify murder, violence, mass displacement. I know not all Israelis believe in the settlements but the state itself was founded on violence. I believe Israel has a right to exist now but I have a huge problem with how it was created and with how it keeps expanding into other people’s land. I have a huge problem with modern Zionism and this idea of Greater Israel. I don’t believe people have a religious right to anything - if you want land buy it!

I recommend that you and everyone on this board watch the documentary Tantura which features interviews from several Israeli soldiers on how they took a port town they felt was a strategic piece of land to own in 1948. One Israeli compared the way soldiers shot with how the Nazis treated them - this is from an Israeli who escaped a war and was part of the group who started a war. Over 270 people were executed in that village alone, some were lines up and shot, some were chased and incinerated with flame throwers, some forced to dig their own graves, a 16 year old girl was raped by an Israeli soldier and her uncle who objected was shot in the head. This was all from testimony from Israeli soldiers there.

Tone deaf. Did you miss the part where she said she's in Israel. Never mind watching a documentary, she needs to be watching her and her family's back FFS.

I have sent a report to MN. This has to stop.

The Tantura documentary covers how the younger generation don’t know about the atrocities committed in 1948 or the mass graves. It also shows how instructions were issues to keep documents relating to those things classified and the soldiers who did testify talked about how they were told to say it never happened.

Israeli’s suffer sirens and bomb shelters but also beach days, holidays, cinemas and theatres. If you gave me a choice of living in Tel Aviv or Gaza I would choose the safer option, can you guess which it is.

Until people stops trying to justify violence, recognise how the cycle of violence started and actively try to understand the other side the violence will continue over and over. I understand why some young men who fled the holocaust likely committed such violent acts, they likely were traumatised and had become desensitised by the atrocities committed against them and their loved ones but those they killed left traumatised relatives behind who were now homeless and stateless - they were not going to love the state that did this to them. Violence begets violence begets violence.

There's also flawed methodology in Katz's original thesis.

The way some Jews put their Zionism into practice make them a clear threat to the Palestinians and the world that they live in. They are being hoarded into every decreasing amounts of land, their infrastructure has been destroyed, friends and family killed / maimed and they are being shot at when getting sparse food aid. Some are now dying of starvation.

Tell me - how should a Gazan mother /child view Israelis?

I thought the Tantura massacre was debunked. It was apparently discovered in the 90s, 50 years after it apparently occurred by a student doing a thesis. Benny Morris said it was a fraudulent myth.

There is a Haaretz article behind a paywall

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-10-07/ty-article-opinion/.highlight/the-tantura-myth-it-makes-no-sense-that-palestinian-villagers-never-mentioned-a-massacre/00000183-b2e5-d8cc-afc7-feedf6560000

And also this one which references Benny Morris’s findings which is not behind a paywall. I know Haaretz is the only accepted Israeli news source on here but this article is interesting nevertheless.

www.jns.org/jns/topic/23/5/29/291180/

Lies about massacres and violence also beget violence and beget violence.

Lies about the Jewish people have been told for centuries (and Israel since 1948) which is kind of why the holocaust happened and clearly explains the need for a Jewish State and the defence of that State against protagonists who perpetrate lies to aid in the goal of it’s destruction!

Do you think the way some Palestinians put their claim to the land - it is all Muslim/Palestinian land and Israel is their land - makes them a clear threat to Israelis and the world they live in?

Did decades of Palestinian terrorism culminating in Oct 7th make them a clear threat to Israelis and the world they live in?

Remember that Palestinian Arab nationalism didn’t start until almost 20 years after Israel declared a State while both Gaza and the West Bank were illegally occupied by other Arab countries.

It was a cause not an effect.

From the river to the sea Israel currently are free - and more that free they are occupying and denying freedom for Palestinians- you have no problem with that actual reality.

You keep bringing up these words that are so problematic to you - that call for freedom. Dont call for occupation but freedom.

If from the river to the sea is so problematic tell Israel to stop being that.

I just came across this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/dRRMPdzPnFM?si=kwkXchbcQ8Bd6wNW

I think this is what is being referred to by Hasbara Fellows -

https://hasbaraisrael.com/

Appears targeted as US rather than within Israel.

Israel have allocated a budget of 500 million NIS ( over £100 million) for Hasbara.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-840022

https://www.thenationalnews.com/opinion/comment/2025/08/22/why-israels-150-million-public-diplomacy-budget-has-failed-so-abysmally/
Excerpt:
'Start with the money. In late 2024 and early 2025, Israel’s government approved an unprecedented budget infusion for public diplomacy: roughly $150 million, which is more than 20 times the usual annual allocation. These aren’t rumours or activist talking points; they’re the government’s own figures.
Behind that sum is a sprawling architecture. A long-running public-private project once known as Kela Shlomo (“Solomon's Sling”) was eventually rebranded as “Voices of Israel.” Journalistic investigations show it has received at least $8.6 million in government-linked funding to shape discourse in the US, through PR, lobbying for expansive definitions of anti-Semitism and media placement. Even before the rebrand, internal plans envisioned multiyear budgets of $28 million to $36 million, partly matched by private donors, to counter critics abroad.
There have also been covert pushes. In June 2024, Israel’s Ministry of Diaspora Affairs allegedly hired a political marketing firm, Stoic, and spent around $2 million to run a hidden social-media campaign in the US, complete with fake “American” accounts that commented on lawmakers’ feeds and targeted progressive audiences with bespoke pro-Israel content. Social media platforms later took down parts of the network. Whatever one thinks of such tactics, they cost real money and reflect a government that is most definitely trying'

@DigitalhenLooks as though your thread has descended into the usual madness. Thank you for trying though!

Gaza isn't a country or a power it is an occupied territory.

The correct analogy would be how would the UK respond if an occupied territory attacked it and committed horrible war crimes and took hostages. Perhaps we could look to how violent uprisings against british colonial rule were dealt with which i believe were very brutal particularly on the part of the British and similarly these conflicts were very unevenly matched in terms of weaponry.

They will turn a blind eye to this "humour" as they have done in the past to other examples.

Gaza was not occupied pre October 7th.
Hamas ran its own police, courts, jails, schools, media and social services. Hamas regulated business activities, banks and land registries. It levied taxes, controlled its own border with Egypt and even imposed a dress code. It was a functioning and fully independent local civil government, buttressed by armed forces.
Hamas along with Egypt, controlled the Rafah border before October 2023. 352,000 Gazans, left Gaza (equal to 35% of population) between January and June 2023. Hamas published a daily roster of exit permits.

The international law of occupation requires that a hostile army have "effective control" over a territory in an area where its authority can be exercised, and to the exclusion of the territory's established government.

The UN considered it occupied, in reality it was not. As with every other definition ‘genocide’, ‘famine’, ‘apartheid’, ‘colonialisim’, it has to be changed when they want to apply it to Israel.

Suicide bombers, Hamas, and other terrorists have chanted Allahu Akbar as they attacked; I remember a while back parkingt111 explained the phrase’s meaning to Muslims and their true use in daily prayers, and she explained the fundamental peaceful meaning of the words from being words of praise (‘Gd is great’), regardless of the phrase being hijacked and used by terrorists.
Were I to comment and say that as a result of the use of Allahu Akbar to justify terrorist attacks I had a huge problem with Islam, this would be Islamophobia (and possibly collective punishment), particularly once Parking had explained the meaning.

Thank you for sharing this. I’ve quickly read the main page linked which explains their purpose and I don’t really see anything objectionable about it? There appears to be an equal focus on learning to combat antisemitism on university campuses as on defending Israel.

For example, this jumped out, in particular the part I bolded:

“We cannot allow our Jewish brothers and sisters to stand alone facing the growing antagonism towards Jews and Israel on our college and university campuses. We must stand with them.
Our focus is entirely on supporting Israel, standing for the truth about Israel, and combating antisemitism and all efforts to delegitimize or boycott Israel on college campuses and beyond. Hasbara does not take a specific stance on any political issues in Israel. We train our students to think critically and develop their own opinions and views.”

all countries engage to lesser or greater degrees on national advocacy work; in Israel’s case a) I do not believe it extends to the point of paid plants on Mumsnet and b) I don’t think it’s particularly good, whatever their budget. My point isn’tthat Israel don’t engage in advocacy work, of course they do, I just don’t think it’s exceptional to Israel, particularly effective, or nefarious.