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Triggernometry - interview with Netanyahu

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Digitalhen · 22/08/2025 18:31

Thoughts on this interview?

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Dangermoo · 23/08/2025 23:03

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 23/08/2025 22:59

So chat gtp's ones, that is raised itself are AI also being anti semetic now? 😂

This was, for example in response to the proposed concentration camp, which thankfully have been given green light (yet).

You're relying on chatgtp. My God. Even better you're trying to assert it to refute holocaust comparisons as being antisemitic. I'd stop digging.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 23/08/2025 23:13

Dangermoo · 23/08/2025 23:00

Apologies @Digitalhen for the derailment. Given what's been seen, today in some dubious posts, I was reminded of how important it is to stamp out the constant use of holocaust inversion.

Could you please answer me a straight question perhaps.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you believe that comparisons with the Holocaust are never appropriate*.

Hypothetically speaking, could the actions of a hypothetical Israeli state ever mean it's ok in your eyes to make the comparison? And saying hypothetical because it's not where we are now, or where Gaza will get to thankfully. But if in the future it went really rogue (like any country could theoretically do) and started literally mirroring history, would you still say it's an anti-Semitic comparison?

If Israel.teamed up with another country (say Egypt, in this hypothetical scenario) and they did it together, would you say it's ok for that comparison to be made against Egypt and not against Israel?

I guess the nub of my question is whether it's:

  1. always wrongly regardless of similarities?
  2. ok where there really are close similarities but there are none here?
  3. there may be similarities but given the history, find a more obscure comparison even if you don't know one and it doesn't fit as well?

I'm not coming back to you with specific examples of similarities, save for as mentioned below. But I am genuinely interested if there's any form of line for you, and what it would be?

  • I'm NOT of the view that this is anything like the Holocaust. I think there's genocide and ethnic cleansing and some elements of proposed behaviour -ie proposed concentration camp are uncomfortably similar to the Ghettos. But overall, obviously it's a totally different scale and situation. I also don't want us to wait for things to get to the 'worst ever' before we intervene as a world.
Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 23/08/2025 23:16

Dangermoo · 23/08/2025 23:03

You're relying on chatgtp. My God. Even better you're trying to assert it to refute holocaust comparisons as being antisemitic. I'd stop digging.

😂😂

No, but sometimes I ask it for input and then check it, supplement it etc.
It's got enough wrong that I'm pretty dubious of It, but it's got it's occasional uses as well, providing you ask for the sources of data and check them.

I'm not getting them to write any posts or lifting stars from there or anything. But it's a resource with strengths and weaknesses and I'll asses it as such.

I don't think it's got a weakness of being algorithmed to be anti Semitic though 😂

Dangermoo · 23/08/2025 23:21

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 23/08/2025 23:16

😂😂

No, but sometimes I ask it for input and then check it, supplement it etc.
It's got enough wrong that I'm pretty dubious of It, but it's got it's occasional uses as well, providing you ask for the sources of data and check them.

I'm not getting them to write any posts or lifting stars from there or anything. But it's a resource with strengths and weaknesses and I'll asses it as such.

I don't think it's got a weakness of being algorithmed to be anti Semitic though 😂

There was a poster talking about inappropriate humour on serious threads. I wonder if I should show her your laughing emojis on the subject of antisemitism. Nah, pointless. I'm so used to the make it up as you go along BS by now.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 23/08/2025 23:23

Dangermoo · 23/08/2025 23:21

There was a poster talking about inappropriate humour on serious threads. I wonder if I should show her your laughing emojis on the subject of antisemitism. Nah, pointless. I'm so used to the make it up as you go along BS by now.

So are you going to give me a straight answer to my question?

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 23/08/2025 23:40

EllaDisenchanted · 23/08/2025 19:51

responding to a few of your points , plus a general point

  1. I’m based in Israel- I’ve been very open about that. I have never heard of Hasbara Fellows. I am acquainted with a few people who are pro Israeli social media posters (not on mumsnet), including Hillel Fuld. They’ve never even heard of mumsnet, and they are certainly not being paid. The Israeli spokesperson department (or whatever it’s called) are clearly not competent, the idea they are organised enough to pay people to post on mumsnet is completely unrealistic.

  2. you are once again using holocaust inversion. It’s possible to criticise Israel without doing so 🙏

  3. this isn’t the first time I’ve seen the chosen people concept come up as a trope that completely misinterprets what the chosen people thing actually means to religious Jews (it’s a religious Jewish concept, not an Israeli concept). You have put in a later post ‘The ideology of one group of people being chosen by God is not that dissimilar to the horrendous thinking behind a Master race - it puts one group as above everyone else, imagine being chosen by God, you could do no wrong, you could use it to justify burning down people’s houses, shooting them, stealing their land as settlers do on a day to day basis.’ This completely misrepresents what the chosen people thing actually is. It actually means the opposite of thinking you can do no wrong. And again- a Holocaust reference - really?
    I’m going to quote myself from another thread explaining what the chosen people concept actually refers to, because its late and I’m tired
    “ in Orthodox Judaism, we believe you don’t need to be Jewish to earn your place in the World to Come, and you don’t need to be Jewish to have a meaningful and close relationship with Gd, and to live righteously. You just need to keep the 7 Noahide laws. We consider there to be many pathways to becoming close to Gd - even within Judaism there is a lot of different ways of living and observing.
    We don’t actively seek to convert others, because we don’t believe that being Jewish makes someone ‘better’ or that they need to be ‘saved’. We believe that the Torah was offered to our ancestors, and we undertook and accepted to keep its commandments. But that doesn’t mean we think only our way is right, or superior, it’s just that keeping the Torah is our role and responsibility. This is where the idea of being the ‘chosen people’ comes from. It’s a role, not a rank. Every nation and people have their own purpose, and the Jewish people have theirs.”

  4. (not responding to you specifically)
    in general, there seems to me to be a complete absence of recognition that Israel remains under attack. Ballistic missile last night (Fri night, which is part of the Jewish Sabbath). Have you ever seen a ballistic missile? When exploded by the defence , the shrapnel that flies in remains deadly. Constant attempted terrorist attacks (shooting the other day). Even Gaza is still sending rockets in, albeit at a significantly reduced rate.

There have been countless interviews with Settlers, with Daniella Weiss and her ilk and some with regular Israeli citizens justifying the expansions by saying that jewish people were promised the land and were chosen. This is why I equate it with superiority, that one group of people is above others and therefore can take their land even if it means killing the inhabitants. The terms “chosen” and “promised by God” are being used to justify murder, violence, mass displacement. I know not all Israelis believe in the settlements but the state itself was founded on violence. I believe Israel has a right to exist now but I have a huge problem with how it was created and with how it keeps expanding into other people’s land. I have a huge problem with modern Zionism and this idea of Greater Israel. I don’t believe people have a religious right to anything - if you want land buy it!

I recommend that you and everyone on this board watch the documentary Tantura which features interviews from several Israeli soldiers on how they took a port town they felt was a strategic piece of land to own in 1948. One Israeli compared the way soldiers shot with how the Nazis treated them - this is from an Israeli who escaped a war and was part of the group who started a war. Over 270 people were executed in that village alone, some were lines up and shot, some were chased and incinerated with flame throwers, some forced to dig their own graves, a 16 year old girl was raped by an Israeli soldier and her uncle who objected was shot in the head. This was all from testimony from Israeli soldiers there.

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Dangermoo · 23/08/2025 23:48

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 23/08/2025 23:40

There have been countless interviews with Settlers, with Daniella Weiss and her ilk and some with regular Israeli citizens justifying the expansions by saying that jewish people were promised the land and were chosen. This is why I equate it with superiority, that one group of people is above others and therefore can take their land even if it means killing the inhabitants. The terms “chosen” and “promised by God” are being used to justify murder, violence, mass displacement. I know not all Israelis believe in the settlements but the state itself was founded on violence. I believe Israel has a right to exist now but I have a huge problem with how it was created and with how it keeps expanding into other people’s land. I have a huge problem with modern Zionism and this idea of Greater Israel. I don’t believe people have a religious right to anything - if you want land buy it!

I recommend that you and everyone on this board watch the documentary Tantura which features interviews from several Israeli soldiers on how they took a port town they felt was a strategic piece of land to own in 1948. One Israeli compared the way soldiers shot with how the Nazis treated them - this is from an Israeli who escaped a war and was part of the group who started a war. Over 270 people were executed in that village alone, some were lines up and shot, some were chased and incinerated with flame throwers, some forced to dig their own graves, a 16 year old girl was raped by an Israeli soldier and her uncle who objected was shot in the head. This was all from testimony from Israeli soldiers there.

Tone deaf. Did you miss the part where she said she's in Israel. Never mind watching a documentary, she needs to be watching her and her family's back FFS.

Dangermoo · 23/08/2025 23:55

I have sent a report to MN. This has to stop.

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 24/08/2025 00:10

Dangermoo · 23/08/2025 23:48

Tone deaf. Did you miss the part where she said she's in Israel. Never mind watching a documentary, she needs to be watching her and her family's back FFS.

The Tantura documentary covers how the younger generation don’t know about the atrocities committed in 1948 or the mass graves. It also shows how instructions were issues to keep documents relating to those things classified and the soldiers who did testify talked about how they were told to say it never happened.

Israeli’s suffer sirens and bomb shelters but also beach days, holidays, cinemas and theatres. If you gave me a choice of living in Tel Aviv or Gaza I would choose the safer option, can you guess which it is.

Until people stops trying to justify violence, recognise how the cycle of violence started and actively try to understand the other side the violence will continue over and over. I understand why some young men who fled the holocaust likely committed such violent acts, they likely were traumatised and had become desensitised by the atrocities committed against them and their loved ones but those they killed left traumatised relatives behind who were now homeless and stateless - they were not going to love the state that did this to them. Violence begets violence begets violence.

Dangermoo · 24/08/2025 00:18

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 24/08/2025 00:10

The Tantura documentary covers how the younger generation don’t know about the atrocities committed in 1948 or the mass graves. It also shows how instructions were issues to keep documents relating to those things classified and the soldiers who did testify talked about how they were told to say it never happened.

Israeli’s suffer sirens and bomb shelters but also beach days, holidays, cinemas and theatres. If you gave me a choice of living in Tel Aviv or Gaza I would choose the safer option, can you guess which it is.

Until people stops trying to justify violence, recognise how the cycle of violence started and actively try to understand the other side the violence will continue over and over. I understand why some young men who fled the holocaust likely committed such violent acts, they likely were traumatised and had become desensitised by the atrocities committed against them and their loved ones but those they killed left traumatised relatives behind who were now homeless and stateless - they were not going to love the state that did this to them. Violence begets violence begets violence.

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There's also flawed methodology in Katz's original thesis.

Stripes56 · 24/08/2025 01:01

Vivi0 · 23/08/2025 12:50

But this is true of all religions. Followers of each religion believe that they are essentially the “chosen people”. That they are the ones who will be granted entry to heaven, or whatever they call it.

What’s your point?

You are comparing Jewish ideology to Nazi ideology:

“The ideology of one group of people being chosen by God is not that dissimilar to the horrendous thinking behind a Master race”

You are drawing parallels between Jewish people and Nazis.

The idea that Jewish ideology is a threat, is just not the reality of the world we live in.

The way some Jews put their Zionism into practice make them a clear threat to the Palestinians and the world that they live in. They are being hoarded into every decreasing amounts of land, their infrastructure has been destroyed, friends and family killed / maimed and they are being shot at when getting sparse food aid. Some are now dying of starvation.

Tell me - how should a Gazan mother /child view Israelis?

UserOfDifferentNames · 24/08/2025 01:11

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 24/08/2025 00:10

The Tantura documentary covers how the younger generation don’t know about the atrocities committed in 1948 or the mass graves. It also shows how instructions were issues to keep documents relating to those things classified and the soldiers who did testify talked about how they were told to say it never happened.

Israeli’s suffer sirens and bomb shelters but also beach days, holidays, cinemas and theatres. If you gave me a choice of living in Tel Aviv or Gaza I would choose the safer option, can you guess which it is.

Until people stops trying to justify violence, recognise how the cycle of violence started and actively try to understand the other side the violence will continue over and over. I understand why some young men who fled the holocaust likely committed such violent acts, they likely were traumatised and had become desensitised by the atrocities committed against them and their loved ones but those they killed left traumatised relatives behind who were now homeless and stateless - they were not going to love the state that did this to them. Violence begets violence begets violence.

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I thought the Tantura massacre was debunked. It was apparently discovered in the 90s, 50 years after it apparently occurred by a student doing a thesis. Benny Morris said it was a fraudulent myth.

There is a Haaretz article behind a paywall

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-10-07/ty-article-opinion/.highlight/the-tantura-myth-it-makes-no-sense-that-palestinian-villagers-never-mentioned-a-massacre/00000183-b2e5-d8cc-afc7-feedf6560000

And also this one which references Benny Morris’s findings which is not behind a paywall. I know Haaretz is the only accepted Israeli news source on here but this article is interesting nevertheless.

www.jns.org/jns/topic/23/5/29/291180/

Lies about massacres and violence also beget violence and beget violence.

Lies about the Jewish people have been told for centuries (and Israel since 1948) which is kind of why the holocaust happened and clearly explains the need for a Jewish State and the defence of that State against protagonists who perpetrate lies to aid in the goal of it’s destruction!

The Tantura myth: Why didn't Palestinian villagers ever mention a massacre? | Opinion

***

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-10-07/ty-article-opinion/.highlight/the-tantura-myth-it-makes-no-sense-that-palestinian-villagers-never-mentioned-a-massacre/00000183-b2e5-d8cc-afc7-feedf6560000

UserOfDifferentNames · 24/08/2025 01:30

Stripes56 · 24/08/2025 01:01

The way some Jews put their Zionism into practice make them a clear threat to the Palestinians and the world that they live in. They are being hoarded into every decreasing amounts of land, their infrastructure has been destroyed, friends and family killed / maimed and they are being shot at when getting sparse food aid. Some are now dying of starvation.

Tell me - how should a Gazan mother /child view Israelis?

Do you think the way some Palestinians put their claim to the land - it is all Muslim/Palestinian land and Israel is their land - makes them a clear threat to Israelis and the world they live in?

Did decades of Palestinian terrorism culminating in Oct 7th make them a clear threat to Israelis and the world they live in?

Remember that Palestinian Arab nationalism didn’t start until almost 20 years after Israel declared a State while both Gaza and the West Bank were illegally occupied by other Arab countries.

It was a cause not an effect.

TulipLavender · 24/08/2025 01:32

Dangermoo · 23/08/2025 11:10

I'm still waiting to hear whether they believe from the river to the see means to eradicate Israel. They certainly have no problem believing eradicating Palestine means exactly that.

From the river to the sea Israel currently are free - and more that free they are occupying and denying freedom for Palestinians- you have no problem with that actual reality.

You keep bringing up these words that are so problematic to you - that call for freedom. Dont call for occupation but freedom.

If from the river to the sea is so problematic tell Israel to stop being that.

TulipLavender · 24/08/2025 02:34

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 23/08/2025 11:53

In World War 2 unjustifiable war crimes were committed to the point that legislation was drawn up to stop things like this happening again. The EU was founded to stop situations like that occurring in Europe again. The ordinary Germans were not all guilty of the Nazis war crimes but they were starved and treated poorly in the wake of WW2. Read or watch some videos by Harry Leslie Smith, he lived it, I saw him once break down in tears on stage talking about the hunger Germans faces after WW2. They weren’t locked into a small landmass and bombed like fish in a barrel though.

At the end of the day you can not justify murder because someone murdered people in the past. Two wrongs don’t make a right - just because there was one genocide it doesn’t mean there should be another. The Nazi’s were wrong with their master race and desire to expand, Zionists are wrong with their chosen people and desire to create a Greater Israel. It is all wrong. We are all the same flesh and blood and have a right to life and NO ONE has a right or justification to take that away. No one is better than anyone else. It is just as unforgivable to bomb Palestinian hospitals as it would be to bomb Israeli ones.

I can only think that at least some of you are Israeli based and have grown up being indoctrinated or are Hasbara Fellows or part of one of the many social media initiatives that Israel has going on because some of you will defend anything that Israel does, you are so focused on defending Israel no matter what happens that you are dehumanising an entire group of people just as jewish people were dehumanised in the 1930s and 40s; you are making them less than, saying it’s okay to kill them because they are x,y,z. I have to think this as I can not see how people who have grown up in the UK or EU could see the news I am seeing, see the pictures of emaciated dead children and say it is justified, to say it is a war. A war with only one army levelling cities, with only one side burying their dead as citizens of the other side go on cruises, enjoy dinners by the beach, go on social media.

Jewish people were once dehumanised and murdered, this was not okay; dehumanisation and murder is NEVER okay!

I just came across this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/dRRMPdzPnFM?si=kwkXchbcQ8Bd6wNW

Before you continue to YouTube

https://youtube.com/shorts/dRRMPdzPnFM?si=kwkXchbcQ8Bd6wNW

TulipLavender · 24/08/2025 02:40

EllaDisenchanted · 23/08/2025 19:51

responding to a few of your points , plus a general point

  1. I’m based in Israel- I’ve been very open about that. I have never heard of Hasbara Fellows. I am acquainted with a few people who are pro Israeli social media posters (not on mumsnet), including Hillel Fuld. They’ve never even heard of mumsnet, and they are certainly not being paid. The Israeli spokesperson department (or whatever it’s called) are clearly not competent, the idea they are organised enough to pay people to post on mumsnet is completely unrealistic.

  2. you are once again using holocaust inversion. It’s possible to criticise Israel without doing so 🙏

  3. this isn’t the first time I’ve seen the chosen people concept come up as a trope that completely misinterprets what the chosen people thing actually means to religious Jews (it’s a religious Jewish concept, not an Israeli concept). You have put in a later post ‘The ideology of one group of people being chosen by God is not that dissimilar to the horrendous thinking behind a Master race - it puts one group as above everyone else, imagine being chosen by God, you could do no wrong, you could use it to justify burning down people’s houses, shooting them, stealing their land as settlers do on a day to day basis.’ This completely misrepresents what the chosen people thing actually is. It actually means the opposite of thinking you can do no wrong. And again- a Holocaust reference - really?
    I’m going to quote myself from another thread explaining what the chosen people concept actually refers to, because its late and I’m tired
    “ in Orthodox Judaism, we believe you don’t need to be Jewish to earn your place in the World to Come, and you don’t need to be Jewish to have a meaningful and close relationship with Gd, and to live righteously. You just need to keep the 7 Noahide laws. We consider there to be many pathways to becoming close to Gd - even within Judaism there is a lot of different ways of living and observing.
    We don’t actively seek to convert others, because we don’t believe that being Jewish makes someone ‘better’ or that they need to be ‘saved’. We believe that the Torah was offered to our ancestors, and we undertook and accepted to keep its commandments. But that doesn’t mean we think only our way is right, or superior, it’s just that keeping the Torah is our role and responsibility. This is where the idea of being the ‘chosen people’ comes from. It’s a role, not a rank. Every nation and people have their own purpose, and the Jewish people have theirs.”

  4. (not responding to you specifically)
    in general, there seems to me to be a complete absence of recognition that Israel remains under attack. Ballistic missile last night (Fri night, which is part of the Jewish Sabbath). Have you ever seen a ballistic missile? When exploded by the defence , the shrapnel that flies in remains deadly. Constant attempted terrorist attacks (shooting the other day). Even Gaza is still sending rockets in, albeit at a significantly reduced rate.

I think this is what is being referred to by Hasbara Fellows -

https://hasbaraisrael.com/

Appears targeted as US rather than within Israel.

Hasbara : Empowering Advocates for Israel

Empowering students across the nation at 95+ universities and counting to show their love for the Jewish people and stand up for Israel.

https://hasbaraisrael.com

TulipLavender · 24/08/2025 03:02

https://www.thenationalnews.com/opinion/comment/2025/08/22/why-israels-150-million-public-diplomacy-budget-has-failed-so-abysmally/
Excerpt:
'Start with the money. In late 2024 and early 2025, Israel’s government approved an unprecedented budget infusion for public diplomacy: roughly $150 million, which is more than 20 times the usual annual allocation. These aren’t rumours or activist talking points; they’re the government’s own figures.
Behind that sum is a sprawling architecture. A long-running public-private project once known as Kela Shlomo (“Solomon's Sling”) was eventually rebranded as “Voices of Israel.” Journalistic investigations show it has received at least $8.6 million in government-linked funding to shape discourse in the US, through PR, lobbying for expansive definitions of anti-Semitism and media placement. Even before the rebrand, internal plans envisioned multiyear budgets of $28 million to $36 million, partly matched by private donors, to counter critics abroad.
There have also been covert pushes. In June 2024, Israel’s Ministry of Diaspora Affairs allegedly hired a political marketing firm, Stoic, and spent around $2 million to run a hidden social-media campaign in the US, complete with fake “American” accounts that commented on lawmakers’ feeds and targeted progressive audiences with bespoke pro-Israel content. Social media platforms later took down parts of the network. Whatever one thinks of such tactics, they cost real money and reflect a government that is most definitely trying'

whitewindowframe · 24/08/2025 04:25

@DigitalhenLooks as though your thread has descended into the usual madness. Thank you for trying though!

TulipLavender · 24/08/2025 04:58

whitewindowframe · 22/08/2025 20:05

War is horrific and of course it shouldn’t be emulated. I think the argument that’s being made is that if, we the UK were being attacked we’d probably feel justified in ‘flattening’ the country or power that was attacking us. This is explained in the interview in more detail.

Gaza isn't a country or a power it is an occupied territory.

The correct analogy would be how would the UK respond if an occupied territory attacked it and committed horrible war crimes and took hostages. Perhaps we could look to how violent uprisings against british colonial rule were dealt with which i believe were very brutal particularly on the part of the British and similarly these conflicts were very unevenly matched in terms of weaponry.

Twiglets1 · 24/08/2025 06:25

Dangermoo · 23/08/2025 23:21

There was a poster talking about inappropriate humour on serious threads. I wonder if I should show her your laughing emojis on the subject of antisemitism. Nah, pointless. I'm so used to the make it up as you go along BS by now.

They will turn a blind eye to this "humour" as they have done in the past to other examples.

Alwayslookonthe · 24/08/2025 06:52

TulipLavender · 24/08/2025 04:58

Gaza isn't a country or a power it is an occupied territory.

The correct analogy would be how would the UK respond if an occupied territory attacked it and committed horrible war crimes and took hostages. Perhaps we could look to how violent uprisings against british colonial rule were dealt with which i believe were very brutal particularly on the part of the British and similarly these conflicts were very unevenly matched in terms of weaponry.

Gaza was not occupied pre October 7th.
Hamas ran its own police, courts, jails, schools, media and social services. Hamas regulated business activities, banks and land registries. It levied taxes, controlled its own border with Egypt and even imposed a dress code. It was a functioning and fully independent local civil government, buttressed by armed forces.
Hamas along with Egypt, controlled the Rafah border before October 2023. 352,000 Gazans, left Gaza (equal to 35% of population) between January and June 2023. Hamas published a daily roster of exit permits.

The international law of occupation requires that a hostile army have "effective control" over a territory in an area where its authority can be exercised, and to the exclusion of the territory's established government.

The UN considered it occupied, in reality it was not. As with every other definition ‘genocide’, ‘famine’, ‘apartheid’, ‘colonialisim’, it has to be changed when they want to apply it to Israel.

EllaDisenchanted · 24/08/2025 06:53

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 23/08/2025 23:40

There have been countless interviews with Settlers, with Daniella Weiss and her ilk and some with regular Israeli citizens justifying the expansions by saying that jewish people were promised the land and were chosen. This is why I equate it with superiority, that one group of people is above others and therefore can take their land even if it means killing the inhabitants. The terms “chosen” and “promised by God” are being used to justify murder, violence, mass displacement. I know not all Israelis believe in the settlements but the state itself was founded on violence. I believe Israel has a right to exist now but I have a huge problem with how it was created and with how it keeps expanding into other people’s land. I have a huge problem with modern Zionism and this idea of Greater Israel. I don’t believe people have a religious right to anything - if you want land buy it!

I recommend that you and everyone on this board watch the documentary Tantura which features interviews from several Israeli soldiers on how they took a port town they felt was a strategic piece of land to own in 1948. One Israeli compared the way soldiers shot with how the Nazis treated them - this is from an Israeli who escaped a war and was part of the group who started a war. Over 270 people were executed in that village alone, some were lines up and shot, some were chased and incinerated with flame throwers, some forced to dig their own graves, a 16 year old girl was raped by an Israeli soldier and her uncle who objected was shot in the head. This was all from testimony from Israeli soldiers there.

Suicide bombers, Hamas, and other terrorists have chanted Allahu Akbar as they attacked; I remember a while back parkingt111 explained the phrase’s meaning to Muslims and their true use in daily prayers, and she explained the fundamental peaceful meaning of the words from being words of praise (‘Gd is great’), regardless of the phrase being hijacked and used by terrorists.
Were I to comment and say that as a result of the use of Allahu Akbar to justify terrorist attacks I had a huge problem with Islam, this would be Islamophobia (and possibly collective punishment), particularly once Parking had explained the meaning.

EllaDisenchanted · 24/08/2025 07:00

TulipLavender · 24/08/2025 02:40

I think this is what is being referred to by Hasbara Fellows -

https://hasbaraisrael.com/

Appears targeted as US rather than within Israel.

Thank you for sharing this. I’ve quickly read the main page linked which explains their purpose and I don’t really see anything objectionable about it? There appears to be an equal focus on learning to combat antisemitism on university campuses as on defending Israel.

For example, this jumped out, in particular the part I bolded:

“We cannot allow our Jewish brothers and sisters to stand alone facing the growing antagonism towards Jews and Israel on our college and university campuses. We must stand with them.
Our focus is entirely on supporting Israel, standing for the truth about Israel, and combating antisemitism and all efforts to delegitimize or boycott Israel on college campuses and beyond. Hasbara does not take a specific stance on any political issues in Israel. We train our students to think critically and develop their own opinions and views.”

all countries engage to lesser or greater degrees on national advocacy work; in Israel’s case a) I do not believe it extends to the point of paid plants on Mumsnet and b) I don’t think it’s particularly good, whatever their budget. My point isn’tthat Israel don’t engage in advocacy work, of course they do, I just don’t think it’s exceptional to Israel, particularly effective, or nefarious.

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