Gazan GHF workers left to die at hospital where Doctors Without Borders is.

[CyberStranger]

As stated by GHF spokesman Chapin Fay in the below interview with Channel 4 new presenter Krishnan Guru Murthy.

At 7.30 minutes in the video, Mr Fay stated 9 local workers were murdered and the 20 injured were refused treatment at Nasser hospital, where Doctors Without Borders were, and left to die in the courtyard.

These were Palestinians!

Why was there no outcry about this? It seems that they were refused treatment because they were working for GHF. That is shocking.

It was interesting that Mr Fay said GHF is funded by the US as well as several donor countries from Europe who don’t wish to be named.

The whole interview was an absolute car crash and the presenter was totally unprofessional and disgustingly rude IMO, sitting in a comfy newsroom while firing allegations at an organisation who’s workers are at massive risk, getting death threats, and are actually being killed for trying to get free (as it should be) aid to Palestinians and from the response from a lot them at the sites, they are needed.

I think it’s pretty obvious why there has been conflict outside of the aid centres TBH.

I commend Mr Fay on his patience I have to say.

A disgusting smear attempt from Channel 4.

I wonder if Guru Murthy will take up the offer to go into Gaza himself.

www.channel4.com/news/ghf-challenged-on-funding-and-gaza-aid-site-killings

@PinkBobby people do understand that Gazans are not getting enough aid and we do see that there is widespread hunger and malnutrition. That is not the thing being debated.

Why is it so hard though for some people on here to understand that we just don't like being manipulated and lied to about most of the babies used for propaganda purposes having underlying health conditions? It's a cheap shot, a low trick. It's cynical, it's deceitful. It's emotional manipulation and actually it is important to kick back against it and be truthful about why these exact babies and children are picked for photos to be reproduced in the media. Personally I doubt all the photos are of children with underlying health issues, but most are and we see that when we dig a little deeper.

It's a point that I think we should move on from. Tbh it isn't worth discussing as much as we do discuss it on MN but the reason it keeps coming up again and again is because of the lack of honesty around the subject. Better if we all just admit that yes, Hamas do use photos of sick children for propaganda purposes and yes, unfortunately our media do post some photos without providing the context of why they look so much worse than other babies/children in Gaza.

It would be better for us all to focus on what we agree is truth - that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

You are seeing children, many with vulnerabilities, with severe acute malnutrition. They are on the brink of death.

12,000 children in Gaza are estimated to be suffering from acute malnutrition. They won’t all look like this YET. But they will, if something dramatic doesn’t change soon. Because it’s not going to be possible to treat this many children due to the lack of medical aid and therapeutic food.

If you want to see what “regular” malnutrition looks like for someone look at renad in Gaza or Gym rat in Gaza on instagram. They aren’t wasted like these children, but the change in them is obvious.

I believe @CyberStranger is suggesting that the malnutrition/starvation isn’t widespread. And that mobile networks should still be working after thousands of tonnes of bombs have been dropped on an area smaller than a major city. And that 36000 meals a minute is realistic from GHF.

I totally agree that the media should be way more mindful about the photos that they do post as it leads to these debates and distracts from the issue. I don’t mind it being flagged as an issue but I find it really disturbing that people can watch clips of poor people in Gaza and are checking whether everyone in shot appears ‘thin enough’ to be starving. As far as I know, there’s no confirmation that this girl even has a medical condition. It’s just been decided because no one else looks like
skin and bones yet. And when people use these photos to play into the narrative that Israel are doing no wrong and it’s all Hamas propaganda, it is very frustrating. I’m not saying you but I think that’s what @CyberStranger is suggesting.

Perhaps when independent journalists are allowed access, we’ll see many more images (unlikely as I’m sure the IDF would avoid any imagery that made people feel sorry for the Palestinians).

Until then, I’m happy to move on and say how sad I was to hear the US have frozen all medical-humanitarian visas from Gaza so orgs like HEAL Palestine can no longer help children get medical assistance in the US.

I also fear that this week will bring much more pain as suffering on the people of Gaza as they are forced out of Gaza City - moving people who have already lost everything and displacing even more people from their homes.

What is the dramatic thing you think should happen?

Children with disabilities should have been evacuated long ago and I am totally of the view that civilians should have had the choice to evacuate too. Who has prevented that? Egypt is literally a few miles away.

Who would argue against that with the civilian collateral that has been seen so far?

93.5% of UN aid was diverted in July. What is the UN doing about that? It will continue being diverted away from starving children while Hamas has any control of it.

I totally support the UN collaborating with the GHF to expand their mechanism of providing aid direct to civilians as they have shown they can do and are saying they can do, and as the UN is not now showing it can do.

Why would anyone argue against that?

The dramatic thing that should happen is that Gaza should be flooded with aid and the UN should be facilitated with delivering it. The looting will cease. Aid is often looted in famine situations.

The rest of your points have been addressed many times.

If you think the GHF is lying about the amount of meals they are delivering, you could post on their X account and ask them how they are doing their maths?

I’m not saying they are delivering that many meals, they are and no, I don’t believe they pick those numbers out of thin air with no traceable evidence or accountability that they have to submit to the governments that are funding them.

If they are lying, that would have been questioned by now, another ‘whistleblower’ would have leaked it to the media, as we all know how desperate many people are to discredit them.

Has anyone questioned the numbers? You must be the first. Maybe someone will pick it up?

As was evident in the video I linked to earlier from Turkish media, Maryam’s family evidently are not suffering as she is so you either deduce she’s deliberately not being fed which would be a horrific suggestion, or you can assume logically there must be underlying condition for her state which as I surmised earlier, there seems to be, which makes perfect sense:

https://x.com/mishtal/status/1957025915424100365

It also find it frustrating that posters are unwilling to apply rationale (as in why do the rest of Maryam’s family look perfectly healthy) and seek facts when what is being reported from Hamas controlled Gaza doesn’t make sense.

Why are you not questioning why Arab states are not helping Palestinian children seek medical help in their many countries? Surely they are closer than the US and share similar culture and language?

Hamas are hostile to the US so how is it not a US national security risk to bring in a load of Gazans, who may have been indoctrinated, straight out of Hamas controlled Gaza?

Have you ever heard of the term ‘suicidal empathy’? They need to have provisions in place in protect the security of their own citizens or don’t you agree with other countries doing that?

How is it possible to flood Gaza with aid when the UN haven’t been able to distribute the aid piling up inside Gaza?

Do you agree with more air drops or were you against that as well?

I don’t think the rest of Maryam’s family look “perfectly healthy”

80% of medical evacuations have been to Arab states.

This just shows that you need to delve deeper into ‘facts’ coming out of Gaza which are repeated in the MSM:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce87n455dvxo.amp

https://x.com/cogatonline/status/1957010918572699713

How do you think the rest of Maryam’s family look?

I assume you saw her younger siblings in the video?

They don’t look starving do they? We all know though why it’s her image that has been chosen rather than her sisters or brothers.

The UN also need to be facilitated in distributing aid. This could be anything from being allowed to have the equipment to remove explosives from their path - to more aid corridors to allow them to travel with more safety.

I’m not “against” Aid drops. They are just very ineffective. It costs a lot to deliver small quantities of aid. Sometimes during aid drops they have staff on the ground to coordinate the delivery of aid. The way these aid drops are done means that the strongest, fittest and presumably those with arms get the most aid.

They don’t look wasted yet no. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t starving. They don’t look healthy. They are probably malnourished. Their images are not shocking in the same way. If it makes you feel any better - the smallest will look shocking too within months.

It won’t make me feel better if the smallest sibling looks shocking within months. I’m not enjoying there being a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, I just want it to be reported factually. More aid is getting into Gaza now so I sincerely hope that what you predict won’t happen.

Though it has been raised many times, maybe you need reminding that Hamas could end this war too - by agreeing to disarm, release all the hostages and leave Gaza.

I agree the siblings could be malnourished. However they look nothing like their sister so it’s disingenuous to pretend it is merely lack of access to food that is causing her issues.

I’m not sure what point is being made about the other children not looking like they are as thin as their sister.

There are multiple reasons to suggest that food is in short supply.

There was an editorial about this in Haaretz:

“The plot goes like this: The whole world published a photo of a child who looked like he was starving, in order to blame Israel. But, Israelis across the spectrum insisted, was a lie: the child has a pre-existing genetic condition that explains his appearance. Ergo: There is no starvation in Gaza. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu himself said so (though his biggest supporter, Donald Trump, did not agree).”

“One type of lie tries to deflect, accuses the enemy of fabrication, and ignores all other evidence. The fact is that a child can both have a genetic disease and be starving.”

”The second reason to expose the lies Israel is drowning in is this: anyone who believes them must internalize that they may as well be living on another planet.”

https://archive.ph/b7thm

Every time you have seen a food crisis play out on your screen, the first images of children who are dying, all are most likely to those who were more vulnerable for some reason. You have just never questioned it before.

I’m not sure why it’s so important for some of you to try and prove that Israel is “only” starving children with medical conditions to death.

@PaxAeterna Re aid drops, I also read that some of them are being dropped into areas that are flagged as conflict zones so civilians aren’t actual able to access them. I’ll try and find the article it was in.

@CyberStranger If you want to wait until everyone in the photos looks like that poor girl to believe the seriousness of the situation, then that’s ultimately up to you. I believe you are ignoring a lot of evidence that tells you everything you need to know.

@Twiglets1 Hamas surrendering tomorrow doesn’t really end this conflict in the sense that the Palestinians pain and suffering with continue for a long time. You have millions of people displaced, medical facilities flattened, homes flattened, severed water pipes and electricity lines, malnourished people, traumatised people, a leadership/ideological vacuum, various armed groups… Israel can go back to normal (apart from the poor hostages’ families or the relatives of dead IDF soldiers) but a huge number of people in Gaza, if they ever get to return to their ‘homes’ have nothing and have lost almost everything. They will be living in tents, relying on a trickle of aid and minimal medical facilities for the foreseeable future, probably with little hope that the newly rebuilt Gaza will actually be for them.

I understand that Hamas must go but the idea that they can stop the pain and suffering anytime soon is, in my opinion, naive. If Hamas surrender, it seems incredibly unlikely at this point that Israel are going rebuild what they destroyed for Palestinian people to live in peace. I guess only time will tell.

For those of you with no first hand experience of malnutrition here’s a graphic showing starvation deaths, starvation, severe malnutrition, moderate malnutrition. Those most vulnerable usually are at the top of the pyramid. And of course if you start out with a weight of 110kg and loose 20 kg, you’ll still usually be overweight in some degree depending on height and build. Even in the worst famines there are normally survivors .

Well in that case do you agree with UN collaboration with the GHF and IDF to facilitate the aid reaching its distribution centres so it can be delivered to all Palestinians?

How do you suggest this happens without that?

A 14 year old boy was killed in an air drop last Saturday when the pallet dropped on him. The video shows them coming down very fast.

The point is Maryam has been portrayed in the MSM as a victim of starvation without the fact she suffers from a condition causing malabsorption which greatly contributes to her emaciated state.

Her siblings do not look thin at all in the video taken by the Turkish media agency. Anyone who insists they are is beyond reasoning with.

Maryam has apparently been treated for her condition for 18 months with a feeding protocol as evidenced in the link in my previous post.

There go this is false representation and her condition is not due to the war.

You may not want to bother with facts but when a whole group of people are hated and being attacked, and in some cases murdered, due to their religion because of the perceived actions of their government or the government of a country they don’t even live in, I think they are incredibly important.

Food absolutely will be short supply because according to UN figures 93.5% of UN aid is diverted to who knows where, but very likely not to ordinary civilians.

Thankfully the GHF was set up so a large amount of food is still getting to people.

No I don’t think the UN should coordinate with the GHF. The GHF was set up to fulfil a military goal of Israel and I don’t think the UN should be coordinating with that. Or any genuine aid agencies.

What was the military goal?

To prevent a terrorist government from controlling free aid to control their civilians and fund their terrorist activities that led to the war they are now in?

You don’t support that?

I can't believe their are other human beings on here weighing up how starving and or ill innocent children should be before they are helped !!

What a fucking world we live in !!

Weighing up!! The irony !!

Sick !!