Gazan GHF workers left to die at hospital where Doctors Without Borders is.

[CyberStranger]

As stated by GHF spokesman Chapin Fay in the below interview with Channel 4 new presenter Krishnan Guru Murthy.

At 7.30 minutes in the video, Mr Fay stated 9 local workers were murdered and the 20 injured were refused treatment at Nasser hospital, where Doctors Without Borders were, and left to die in the courtyard.

These were Palestinians!

Why was there no outcry about this? It seems that they were refused treatment because they were working for GHF. That is shocking.

It was interesting that Mr Fay said GHF is funded by the US as well as several donor countries from Europe who don’t wish to be named.

The whole interview was an absolute car crash and the presenter was totally unprofessional and disgustingly rude IMO, sitting in a comfy newsroom while firing allegations at an organisation who’s workers are at massive risk, getting death threats, and are actually being killed for trying to get free (as it should be) aid to Palestinians and from the response from a lot them at the sites, they are needed.

I think it’s pretty obvious why there has been conflict outside of the aid centres TBH.

I commend Mr Fay on his patience I have to say.

A disgusting smear attempt from Channel 4.

I wonder if Guru Murthy will take up the offer to go into Gaza himself.

www.channel4.com/news/ghf-challenged-on-funding-and-gaza-aid-site-killings

It’s difficult to imagine what it may be like for those families unless one puts themselves in their shoes. It only struck home to me when I considered what if that child had Coeliacs, how would I cope, what would I feed my child.

Otherwise absence of fresh produce may only appear a “problem.”

I’m glad that Trump (and you) can see that it is not isolated cases.

I think, once again, we’re getting lost in this debate about photos. Everyone is quick to jump on the photo of this poor girl who is in desperate need of food and medical care (which may not have been necessary had Israel not stopped all aid a few months back and flattened medical facilities). What about the babies’ legs also pictured in that article - do they have medical conditions? Or people desperately queuing for food? Or the countless people who aren’t being pictured? Or the thousands of people trying to get aid in 11 minutes from just 4 hubs? Or can anyone explain how 36,000 meals are being handed out a minute by GHF?

Yes, I agree that journalists should not be using emotional manipulation to garner pity or support for the poor Palestinian people but that one photo is just a tiny dot in the body of evidence that people are in desperate need of help. Why must we demand photographic evidence from a war zone? Why are reports from experts in aid/conflict zones not enough?

I’m not saying it’s necessarily the case here but the glee at which some people say ‘oh they’ve got a medical condition, it doesn’t count’ is quite disturbing. Yes, she may have additional needs. No, she can’t necessarily get the help she needs because she has been displaced, her medical facilities compromised or totally flattened, food is hard to source (especially if she has dietary requirements). The most vulnerable show the signs of catastrophe first and it feels like some people won’t be happy until everyone in Gaza is skin and bones.

And the 98% of aid being stolen isn’t all by armed terrorists, as far as I understand from U.N. reports. If my children hadn’t eaten for days, I would take any food I could find. I wouldn’t necessarily waste time walking kilometres (having not eaten myself for who knows how long) to queue for hours to then be turned away after 11 minutes.

We can have a long chat about this photo but it just distracts from the actual issue.

I’m not saying it’s necessarily the case here but the glee at which some people say ‘oh they’ve got a medical condition, it doesn’t count’ is quite disturbing. Yes, she may have additional needs. No, she can’t necessarily get the help she needs because she has been displaced, her medical facilities compromised or totally flattened, food is hard to source (especially if she has dietary requirements). The most vulnerable show the signs of catastrophe first and it feels like some people won’t be happy until everyone in Gaza is skin and bones.

Why would anyone on here be happy for everyone in Gaza to be skin and bone?

This is the kind of absurd accusation that pro-Palestinians come out with that really denigrates their case.

It absolutely should be disclosed in a non biased news report that a child purported to be starving has a medical condition that gives an emaciated appearance, especially when other family members of her family evidently don’t, which may also lead people to think that child has been deliberately starved for propaganda purposes which is a horrific suggestion.

It also begs the question of why there are no children without medical conditions displaying signs of starvation when the accusation is that Israel is deliberately starving them.

I am thankful there is no images of children without medical conditions in that state but the truth matters!

It also begs the question of why there are no children without medical conditions displaying signs of starvation when the accusation is that Israel is deliberately starving them.

@CyberStranger where is your proof of this please?

Proof of what?

Has there been a child featured in the media who hasn’t got an underlying condition?

You can say it denigrates my case but I think there is enough info out there to know that the people in Gaza are in desperate need of help. We can debate this photo (but not the two others in the article that show the desperate reality or the maths re GHF which you are seemingly happy to not focus on) and call for better journalism whilst ignoring all the voices saying they are in desperate need of more food (not to mention fewer bombs).

I think there is a time and place to call for honest reporting but it shouldn’t drown out the actual issue which is protecting innocent people from slowly dying. I didn’t say this specific thread had people hoping for skin and bones but sadly on another thread I have watched people upload people living in a horrendous war zone saying “what starvation” because they aren’t thin enough or “look how obese this person is, clearly not starving”. It was deeply disturbing to watch. Some out there are so keen to call out these photos and have that be the issue rather than focus on the fact that people are clearly not getting the food/shelter/healthcare they need.

I don't know, it was you made the statement "there are no children without medical conditions displaying signs of starvation"

That's a huge statement that I presume you would have proof of when posting.

I have yet to see a report of a child without an underlying medical condition displaying signs of starvation.

I don’t need to prove anything but if you wish to debunk that, feel free.

The two babies in the Sky article?

You’re talking about the picture of the legs of two babies?

Those babies are impossible to identify which is why only their legs were shown obviously!

Doesn’t that strike you as off when other children are named and faces shown?

Is that all you’ve got?

As usual these discussions turn nasty when it's so unnecessary.

@Stripes56 I've asked you nicely not to bring my family into this so I will assume that is the end of it unless you want to cause an argument and get reported. It's very different to you mentioning your own family.

@PinkBobby no one is saying Maryam "doesn't count" because she has a medical condition, what we are saying is this should be made clear when her image is being used. Otherwise it's exploitation of a sick child.

There is no "glee" in pointing out her siblings look a healthy weight, what we are trying to do is establish the truth. The first time I saw photos of skeleton thin children posted in mainstream media I took them at face value. Now the UK public are being made aware that most of these children have underlying health conditions. That doesn't make they don't count and I don't doubt that malnutrition and lack of access to the special food or formula they need is making their health conditions worse. Nevertheless, let's be honest about it.

I was told on this forum that the person who made the claim provided the proof. Now you made a massive statement that you have no proof for.

Because I have been here before I provided the proof but the source wasn't suitable something which I expect judging in your reply to @PinkBobby will happen here.

Perhaps you should start statements qualifying that this is your opinion and not fact

(Like when you said about the population growth in Gaza, I provided proof you were wrong and you ignored it(

Who are those babies? We would need to know their identity & whether they have health conditions or not to even attempt to uncover the truth about why they are so thin.

It is obviously their opinion because they first posed the question Has there been a child featured in the media who hasn’t got an underlying condition?

And then said from their own perspective that I have yet to see a report of a child without an underlying medical condition displaying signs of starvation.

They haven't stated it as a fact that no such children exist, just shown doubt about it which reveals their own opinion.

Israeli isn’t a dirty word that required censorship, thank you.

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I actually can't find that post sorry where they said that I must have missed it, what time was that at?

"It also begs the question of why there are no children without medical conditions displaying signs of starvation when the accusation is that Israel is deliberately starving them.

I am thankful there is no images of children without medical conditions in that state but the truth matters!"

This is what I take issue with and asked for proof of because these are statements of fact and not opinion.

It was at 12.39 today in a post where they tagged you

Fair enough but that was after I posted looking for proof of the earlier statement.

We’ve chatted on here enough for me to know that you really look into things and are very keen to find the truth, as I am. I mean this totally sincerely.

So when we then talk about uncovering the ‘truth’ as to why these children are so thin, is there not a whole load of non-photographic evidence that people are not getting the food they need in Gaza? Do we need to get into the reeds like this about a photo and distract from the main issue when we know there isn’t enough food? We know it’s been totally cut off and then a tiny amount is going in. We know that the aid hubs are not enough for that many people, we know that members of the Israeli government have called for this very situation. we know that numerous charities/NGOs have said it is desperate.

If this was the only info we had and it turned out to lack important context, I would totally understand the focus on it and it being central to the discussion but it isn’t all we have to go from. It is merely a distraction from the most important issue which is that more needs to be done to feed these people.

I’m sure you know by now that I am a stickler for people backing stuff up when they present it as fact and I really do agree that journalists need to be really mindful of what imagery they are using especially after the last few weeks but I have seen so many of these chats take over discussions like we’re uncovering some great conspiracy. Meanwhile, people aren’t getting the help they need.

It's obvious it's their opinion which they later backed up by saying I have yet to see a report of a child without an underlying medical condition displaying signs of starvation.

They can't prove a negative but others may be able to prove that their opinion is wrong.

@CrimsonGlaze

What's with the *ing out of Israel and genocide?

@PinkBobby That's a lot of words to say you don't know anything about these babies, you have just trusted the source which is Sky news. They haven't provided any information on these babies at all, not their names, basic medical facts or even shown the rest of their body and faces.

If you are a stickler for people backing stuff up when they present it as fact then perhaps use the same high standards on yourself.

You were the one who said The two babies in the Sky article? after Cyberstranger commented that I have yet to see a report of a child without an underlying medical condition displaying signs of starvation.

Do you really consider the Sky article using a photo of 2 babies legs alone to be a proper report? You asked me a while back about the sources I use but Sky News is definitely not one I consider a good source - this particular story in particular.

Not intentionally, after all Biden didn’t intentionally spread propaganda when he repeated the 40 beheaded babies lie.

There isn’t anything wrong with questioning the story coming from a spokesperson who may not understand that no hospital in Gaza is fully functioning and most Palestinians who die of their injuries it is due to lack of functioning hospitals, lack of staff, lack of supplies and too many sick and injured.

I highly doubt the MSF has deliberately refused treatment based on their employer. It is more likely the daily outcome of too many wounded not nearly enough medical care to save everyone.

That said, it is IDF’s responsibility to keep GHF humanitarian workers safe from Hamas. Israel decided to setup the food distribution centres in combat zones, against the advice of all experts and even their GHF CEO resigned over it. Dead civilians and workers was 100% predicted and ignored. Furthermore, GHF should be transporting wounded Palestinian GHF workers into Israeli hospitals. So why is IDF transporting non Palestinian GHF workers to Israeli hospitals but dumping Palestinian GHF workers at partially destroyed, overwhelmed and barely functioning Gaza hospitals?

There must be more to the story.

No, I don’t know those specific babies but I can understand as someone who knows about breastfeeding or how formula feeding works to understand that a lack of aid would mean babies were undernourished. Again, how are mothers meant to get what they need to do one or both these things if GHF is run as it is.

Again, I think people use this to suggest that there is no starvation or that Israel have not played a significant role in reducing the amount of food in Gaza to a tiny amount. I think the more we focus on photos like this, the more we lose sight of the fact that these photos are one of many ways of knowing that the people in Gaza are not getting what they need. We can look at the before and after pictures of Gaza, the number of refugees, the way GHF runs, the fact they are living with terrorist, the reports from NGOs, reports from visiting doctors to know this is a real issue. If one needs to see starving people in photos to finally believe it, I think they’re ignoring a lot of evidence to fit the narrative they hope to be true.

edit: more dodgy internet = another duplicate post. Sorry!