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Conflict in the Middle East

Gazan GHF workers left to die at hospital where Doctors Without Borders is.

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CyberStranger · 15/08/2025 20:53

As stated by GHF spokesman Chapin Fay in the below interview with Channel 4 new presenter Krishnan Guru Murthy.

At 7.30 minutes in the video, Mr Fay stated 9 local workers were murdered and the 20 injured were refused treatment at Nasser hospital, where Doctors Without Borders were, and left to die in the courtyard.

These were Palestinians!

Why was there no outcry about this? It seems that they were refused treatment because they were working for GHF. That is shocking.

It was interesting that Mr Fay said GHF is funded by the US as well as several donor countries from Europe who don’t wish to be named.

The whole interview was an absolute car crash and the presenter was totally unprofessional and disgustingly rude IMO, sitting in a comfy newsroom while firing allegations at an organisation who’s workers are at massive risk, getting death threats, and are actually being killed for trying to get free (as it should be) aid to Palestinians and from the response from a lot them at the sites, they are needed.

I think it’s pretty obvious why there has been conflict outside of the aid centres TBH.

I commend Mr Fay on his patience I have to say.

A disgusting smear attempt from Channel 4.

I wonder if Guru Murthy will take up the offer to go into Gaza himself.

www.channel4.com/news/ghf-challenged-on-funding-and-gaza-aid-site-killings

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CyberStranger · 16/08/2025 00:28

This thread is probably pertinent to this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5387598-so-are-msf-wrong-about-gaza-too

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Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 06:33

Interesting to see people who never question the number of deaths reported by Hamas getting all “where’s the evidence?” now a different organisation has reported deaths.

Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 07:02

The UK media did not make much of this story at the time it happened - only the Times of Israel were really interested in exposing it.

I remember talking about it on MN at the time and very little sympathy expressed for these Palestinian aid workers who got attacked ( some died) because they worked for the GHF.

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 07:47

CyberStranger · 15/08/2025 23:52

Maybe they did when they discovered they were being refused treatment and that’s why there’s not much more information, due to location and the safety of family members still in Gaza.

The GHF statement in the Times of Israel link I attached earlier said:

We are working through many channels to transfer the injured from the hospital in Khan Younis to facilities with more robust capabilities

So it sounds like they were taken somewhere else and some more may have died from their injuries hence the UN figure of 12.

It’s all over X now. Hopefully the MSM media will pick this up (although unlikely) and Mr Fay will publish the evidence he says he has before this is buried again.

I had read some allegations about MSF before but this is shocking.

Hardly an unbiased organisation if they have left Palestinian aid workers to die after being attacked by Hamas, while also making allegations that Israel is targeting Palestinian aid workers.

Then their doctors giving interviews on Western TV making allegations that Israel is targeting civilians with absolutely no evidence.

I think Mr Fay would know better than you or I if there was killing on the aid sites.

Do you rate Hamas as more credible than him? Obviously you must do if you don’t believe him but believe Hamas reports?

On what basis though?

Because his organisation and it’s workers are toiling every day to provide the free aid to Palestinians to which they are entitled to while risking their lives and being murdered by Hamas?

Do you realise how crazy that sounds?

Crazy?
www.msf.org/response-ghf-allegations-regarding-msf-activities-nasser-hospital

Furthermore, MSF staff have not been present in the emergency department of Nasser hospital since 2024, which further debunks this baseless accusation.

Hopefully he will publish the evidence soon because the evidence he is completely lying is stacking up .

Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 08:10

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 07:47

Crazy?
www.msf.org/response-ghf-allegations-regarding-msf-activities-nasser-hospital

Furthermore, MSF staff have not been present in the emergency department of Nasser hospital since 2024, which further debunks this baseless accusation.

Hopefully he will publish the evidence soon because the evidence he is completely lying is stacking up .

To date, we have seen no credible evidence that healthcare was refused by Ministry of Health or other medical staff. Should proof emerge of such an act, it would constitute a clear breach of the core humanitarian principles of impartiality and medical ethics.

Everyone wants to see credible evidence now. Shame no one seems to demand credible evidence of the number of deaths supplied by Hamas ... or indeed credible evidence of who is doing the shooting in every case that gets reported.

It's like Hamas are a completely trustworthy source with the way people just accept what they say without questioning it.

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 08:22

But this isn't about Hamas . Do I believe they attacked the bus and prevented medical care for the victims. Absolutely sounds right up their alley. Do I believe MSF as well. Yes.

The number of deaths has been debated many times on here.

Thegreyhound · 16/08/2025 08:26

Martymcfly24 · 15/08/2025 22:11

Agree and the smearing of Doctors without Borders is very unfair.

The smearing of Doctors Without Borders is unsurprising- see also the UN, the UNWRA, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, dead journalists.
These are liberal institutions/professions with concern for human rights and international law. So the only reasons I can think of why anyone would want to smear them are
a) they don’t want some humans to have rights
b) they don’t believe in international law
c) they don’t want anyone to write what is happening

Thegreyhound · 16/08/2025 08:27

Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 07:02

The UK media did not make much of this story at the time it happened - only the Times of Israel were really interested in exposing it.

I remember talking about it on MN at the time and very little sympathy expressed for these Palestinian aid workers who got attacked ( some died) because they worked for the GHF.

Perhaps the media didn’t make much of the story because the facts didn’t stack up? Just a thought

Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 08:49

Thegreyhound · 16/08/2025 08:27

Perhaps the media didn’t make much of the story because the facts didn’t stack up? Just a thought

It was fact that Palestinian aid workers got attacked & some died - whatever the truth about MSF. So it's a shame no one really seemed to care about them because they worked for GHF.

Dangermoo · 16/08/2025 08:55

CyberStranger · 15/08/2025 23:52

Maybe they did when they discovered they were being refused treatment and that’s why there’s not much more information, due to location and the safety of family members still in Gaza.

The GHF statement in the Times of Israel link I attached earlier said:

We are working through many channels to transfer the injured from the hospital in Khan Younis to facilities with more robust capabilities

So it sounds like they were taken somewhere else and some more may have died from their injuries hence the UN figure of 12.

It’s all over X now. Hopefully the MSM media will pick this up (although unlikely) and Mr Fay will publish the evidence he says he has before this is buried again.

I had read some allegations about MSF before but this is shocking.

Hardly an unbiased organisation if they have left Palestinian aid workers to die after being attacked by Hamas, while also making allegations that Israel is targeting Palestinian aid workers.

Then their doctors giving interviews on Western TV making allegations that Israel is targeting civilians with absolutely no evidence.

I think Mr Fay would know better than you or I if there was killing on the aid sites.

Do you rate Hamas as more credible than him? Obviously you must do if you don’t believe him but believe Hamas reports?

On what basis though?

Because his organisation and it’s workers are toiling every day to provide the free aid to Palestinians to which they are entitled to while risking their lives and being murdered by Hamas?

Do you realise how crazy that sounds?

Desperate measures to defend against their narrative - just like the Hamas operative hiding amongst Al Jazeera reporters. MSF, UN, Amnesty International et al - all believed, because they shroud their organisations in virtue. I saw a plea for MSF donations advertisement, recently. I was reminded of when I woke up to the distribution of Comic Relief donations, many years ago.

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 08:59

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gr1rk5nvxo

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/12/us-backed-gaza-humanitarian-foundation-says-5-aid-workers-killed-by-hamas

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-killings-of-gaza-humanitarian-foundation-workers/

https://news.sky.com/story/controversial-aid-distributer-claims-hamas-has-carried-out-deadly-attack-on-bus-carrying-palestinians-13382379

It was reported on many media sources. An absolutely heinous attack by the terrorist group.

The issue however is that @CyberStranger and Chapin Fay clearly tried to discredit MSF by stating that they refused to treat the victims and they were left to die in a courtyard. Credible evidence "not in the emergency room" would suggest this was a complete fabrication.

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 09:00

Dangermoo · 16/08/2025 08:55

Desperate measures to defend against their narrative - just like the Hamas operative hiding amongst Al Jazeera reporters. MSF, UN, Amnesty International et al - all believed, because they shroud their organisations in virtue. I saw a plea for MSF donations advertisement, recently. I was reminded of when I woke up to the distribution of Comic Relief donations, many years ago.

Did you read the fact that they are only in the maternity and paediatric units of that hospital ?

Now I don't know how many pregnant women or children were on the bus of GHF workers but it seems they did not refuse to treat the workers.

PinkBobby · 16/08/2025 09:04

I wonder whether the number of injured people, lack of resources and general flattening of hospitals means lots of people are being ‘left to die’ because there just aren’t the staff or resources to help them. Perhaps we only hear about these people tragically dying in this manner because they are linked to the US.

Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 09:04

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 08:59

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gr1rk5nvxo

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/12/us-backed-gaza-humanitarian-foundation-says-5-aid-workers-killed-by-hamas

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-killings-of-gaza-humanitarian-foundation-workers/

https://news.sky.com/story/controversial-aid-distributer-claims-hamas-has-carried-out-deadly-attack-on-bus-carrying-palestinians-13382379

It was reported on many media sources. An absolutely heinous attack by the terrorist group.

The issue however is that @CyberStranger and Chapin Fay clearly tried to discredit MSF by stating that they refused to treat the victims and they were left to die in a courtyard. Credible evidence "not in the emergency room" would suggest this was a complete fabrication.

I meant no one on MN from the pro Pal side was particularly bothered about these aid workers at the time. I was the one expressing sympathy for them but I had people arguing with me that they even were aid workers.

The story about MSF doctors refusing to treat them? Like a lot of things happening in Gaza, we don’t know the truth so we don’t know if it’s a complete fabrication or not.

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 09:06

I was thinking the same @PinkBobby . I was also wondering why when Hamas had made such credible threats in the previous days GHF sent a large group of workers out on a bus without any protection.

Gloriia · 16/08/2025 09:10

'If MSF are being threatened by Hamas why are they not alerting the UN or the IDF if Hamas is located in the hospital?'

They daren't, these doctors will all be dancing to hamas' tune. We have a Dr Maynard a Dr who has a keffiyeh on in one of his speeches on X, Dr James Smith who has a article in aljazeera a female Dr a couple of months ago who said she never saw hamas ever it was only IDF villains apparently with weapons. I'm not obviously suggesting they support hamas but to contuine their virtue signalling white saviour work they of course have to do what they are told. Or they'd be shot.

Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 09:11

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 09:06

I was thinking the same @PinkBobby . I was also wondering why when Hamas had made such credible threats in the previous days GHF sent a large group of workers out on a bus without any protection.

Hamas are a threat every single day of this war not just “in the previous days” but vehicles drive around Gaza every day. Despite looting & attacks, they have to if any aid is to reach Gazans.

Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 09:12

PinkBobby · 16/08/2025 09:04

I wonder whether the number of injured people, lack of resources and general flattening of hospitals means lots of people are being ‘left to die’ because there just aren’t the staff or resources to help them. Perhaps we only hear about these people tragically dying in this manner because they are linked to the US.

This is plausible. The matter needs to be investigated.

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 09:13

Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 09:04

I meant no one on MN from the pro Pal side was particularly bothered about these aid workers at the time. I was the one expressing sympathy for them but I had people arguing with me that they even were aid workers.

The story about MSF doctors refusing to treat them? Like a lot of things happening in Gaza, we don’t know the truth so we don’t know if it’s a complete fabrication or not.

People discuss different things.
Every life matters equally.

That number of people and multiples of it are murdered every day at the aid sites trying to get food and I am shocked it doesn't receive nearly as much outrage and condemnation as it deserves just debate about the numbers or whether it happened or not .

Thegreyhound · 16/08/2025 09:16

It’s alarming to see organisations and individuals that set out to try and do something useful and humane being accused of ‘virtue signalling’ or ‘shrouding themselves in virtue’ as if that is somehow something bad.
Virtue is a good thing.
rather virtue than vice!

dairydebris · 16/08/2025 09:18

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 09:13

People discuss different things.
Every life matters equally.

That number of people and multiples of it are murdered every day at the aid sites trying to get food and I am shocked it doesn't receive nearly as much outrage and condemnation as it deserves just debate about the numbers or whether it happened or not .

If its any compensation at all I believe the absolute farce of the aid distribution and the resulting forced starvation of civilians will not help Israels case at all in any future accusations of genocide.

Let the terrorists get the food too if necessary. Aid should be flowing freely.

Gloriia · 16/08/2025 09:19

Thegreyhound · 16/08/2025 09:16

It’s alarming to see organisations and individuals that set out to try and do something useful and humane being accused of ‘virtue signalling’ or ‘shrouding themselves in virtue’ as if that is somehow something bad.
Virtue is a good thing.
rather virtue than vice!

It is good yes but one must be neutral in these circumstances and getting an article published in aljazeera is not imo. Nor is wearing a keffiyeh and all parroting the 'hamas? Never saw them!' Line.

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 09:21

dairydebris · 16/08/2025 09:18

If its any compensation at all I believe the absolute farce of the aid distribution and the resulting forced starvation of civilians will not help Israels case at all in any future accusations of genocide.

Let the terrorists get the food too if necessary. Aid should be flowing freely.

Agree.

It's actually creating more of an issue.

Flood the whole area with food. Take away Hamas's power a little bit more.

Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 09:29

Martymcfly24 · 16/08/2025 09:13

People discuss different things.
Every life matters equally.

That number of people and multiples of it are murdered every day at the aid sites trying to get food and I am shocked it doesn't receive nearly as much outrage and condemnation as it deserves just debate about the numbers or whether it happened or not .

Yes but that gets mentioned on an almost daily basis on MN.

Though I think we nearly all agree it would be better for Gaza to be flooded with aid, even if some of us think Hamas steal most of it.

Twiglets1 · 16/08/2025 09:32

Thegreyhound · 16/08/2025 09:16

It’s alarming to see organisations and individuals that set out to try and do something useful and humane being accused of ‘virtue signalling’ or ‘shrouding themselves in virtue’ as if that is somehow something bad.
Virtue is a good thing.
rather virtue than vice!

Yes virtue better than vice.

But it doesn’t mean organisations generally seen as virtuous should be trusted implicitly.

Evidence: Religious organisations for example the Catholic Church.