Gazan GHF workers left to die at hospital where Doctors Without Borders is.

[CyberStranger]

As stated by GHF spokesman Chapin Fay in the below interview with Channel 4 new presenter Krishnan Guru Murthy.

At 7.30 minutes in the video, Mr Fay stated 9 local workers were murdered and the 20 injured were refused treatment at Nasser hospital, where Doctors Without Borders were, and left to die in the courtyard.

These were Palestinians!

Why was there no outcry about this? It seems that they were refused treatment because they were working for GHF. That is shocking.

It was interesting that Mr Fay said GHF is funded by the US as well as several donor countries from Europe who don’t wish to be named.

The whole interview was an absolute car crash and the presenter was totally unprofessional and disgustingly rude IMO, sitting in a comfy newsroom while firing allegations at an organisation who’s workers are at massive risk, getting death threats, and are actually being killed for trying to get free (as it should be) aid to Palestinians and from the response from a lot them at the sites, they are needed.

I think it’s pretty obvious why there has been conflict outside of the aid centres TBH.

I commend Mr Fay on his patience I have to say.

A disgusting smear attempt from Channel 4.

I wonder if Guru Murthy will take up the offer to go into Gaza himself.

www.channel4.com/news/ghf-challenged-on-funding-and-gaza-aid-site-killings

This interview with MSF is actually dated the 11 June (which is the date of the incident) and clearly MSF (which is Doctors Without Borders) were still in the Nasser Hospital.

So the GHF claim has been not debunked at all.

I really think pro-Palestinians have become so used to dismissing anything that isn’t anti-Israel as lies, and everybody who isn’t anti-Israel as liars, that they don’t stop to consider the legal implications of an American government funded organisation making serious allegations about another international organisation on TV.

It’s not the same as repeating Hamas lies and propaganda with no evidence required and no consequences.

There’s also this:

www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/israeli-forces-impose-new-restrictions-nasser-hospital#:~:text=June%2010%2C%202025%20%E2%80%94%20Israeli%20forces,hospital%20in%20Deir%20al%2DBalah.

MSF did no deny this - there statement said:

“On 10 June, after weeks of intense Israeli bombardment, including two direct attacks targeting Nasser hospital, and movement restrictions and displacement orders in the vicinity of the facility in Khan Younis, southern Gaza, MSF announced the relocation of some of our activities to our field hospital in Deir Al-Balah to protect patients and staff. At that moment, our work at Nasser hospital was intermittent due to insecurity and movement restrictions, and our activities were limited to the maternity and paediatric wards.”

The MSF interviewee Claire also stated its paediatric services that are present in Nasser hospital- she also spoke about lack of pain relief for burnt children and treating children with malnutrition. Presumably all compounded by the prior blockade of aid by Israel due to Hamas.

Well it shows MSF were absolutely right. Not only does this link show that the services were reduced to paediatric and maternity but it also forewarns about the risks of IDF targeting this hospital:

“Putting Nasser Hospital out of service would equate to a death sentence for the most severely wounded and critically ill patients—adults and children—and women in need of emergency obstetric care.”

It sounds like the type of situation that would lead to many poor people being ‘left’ to die in corridors or courtyards.

You said MSF weren’t in the hospital.

They were from your own admission now.

@CyberStranger
I hope we can all now use Al Jazeera as a source of information? It’s dreadful seeing the footage you linked of the chaos and destruction present around the hospital. Can you imagine if this was being shown on the BBC/ CNN
we really need western journalists in there

you are right - let me be more specific- the doctors able to treat critically ill adults were not there according to their statement and corroborated by your links.

However, we have Palestinians that have been killed due to a set up that is trying to circumvent Israel refusing to allow aid agencies to work as they see fit.

On Thursday, dozens of aid groups signed a statement alleging that Israel was refusing to let a number of international NGOs distribute aid in Gaza, leaving millions of dollars’ worth of food and other assistance sitting in warehouses and putting future aid operations at risk.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-says-13000-children-treated-for-malnutrition-in-gaza-in-july-as-aid-trickles-in/amp/

That's not the whole picture though is it? From the BBC:

Israel denies there are restrictions on aid and says the rules, introduced in March, ensure that aid "reaches the population directly and not Hamas".

Israel said that any delays in delivering aid occur "only when organisations choose not to meet the basic security requirements intended to prevent Hamas's involvement".

Cogat, the Israeli military body in charge of aid, said nearly 20 organisations that completed the registration process are bringing aid into Gaza, with roughly 300 trucks entering daily.

The UN says 600 trucks of supplies a day are needed in Gaza.

The new guidelines introduced in March update the framework for how aid groups must register to maintain their status within Israel, along with provisions that outline how their applications can be denied or registration revoked.

Registration can be rejected if Israeli authorities deem that a group denies the democratic character of Israel or "promotes delegitimisation campaigns" against the country.

"Unfortunately, many aid organisations serve as a cover for hostile and sometimes violent activity," Israel's Diaspora Minister Amichai Chikli told the Agence France-Presse news agency.

"Organisations that have no connection to hostile or violent activity and no ties to the boycott movement will be granted permission to operate," added Chikli.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6ynz22871o

The Palestinians had bullet wounds from being shot at by Hamas, they didn’t need paediatric, maternity, orthopaedic or burns units.

MSF were there from your own admission, as Mr Fay said, so not sure why you are still arguing against that.

At the very least, you would expect a statement saying why these poor people who were risking their lives to feed their own people, couldn’t be treated.

There was none.

@CyberStranger MSF were not in the emergency room they were in Paediatric and maternity only.

How many children and pregnant women were left in the courtyard for them to treat?

But the MSF have said that there were not the type of services there able to treat critically ill adults.
They also predicted adults would die due to the targeting of Nasser Hospital.

It hasn't been proven whether MSF did show impartiality or not.

Or that they didn't have staff in the hospital who could have helped as certain departments were still operating at the time though not the emergency department it appears.

There's a lot of unknowns at the moment.

The aid agencies have said that the Israeli vetting procedures are too politicised, which would not surprise me.

Can you name me an aid agency that has not been castigated as antisemitic for raising concerns about what is happening in Gaza and the WB? You’ve caste doubts now about MSF as potentially not being impartial?

Perhaps the GHF should not say such provocative things then - as suggested by the initial post?

It's just odd that you in one post acknowledge that MSF said they were not providing the type of services to treat critically ill adults but in another post today you say One part or the GHF claim has already been debunked- Doctors Without Borders were not there.

and you choose not to quote were I corrected myself?

If you want to get aid into a country bad enough then you fill out all necessary forms and allow your staff to be vetted.

It's not an unreasonable request in the circumstances of this war.

But pragmatically, the MSF might as well not have been there is there as no doctor able to treat a critically ill adult

I was replying to a post where you tagged me and had not noticed that you had already conceded the point to another poster.

I heard the information being asked for is intrusive.

“INGOs warned the process was designed to control independent organisations, silence advocacy, and censor humanitarian reporting.”

According to Save the Children

I think this is the crux of the matter isn’t it?
The continued delay and difficulties in aid being delivered may also play into some Knesset members goals

I would have thought with a doctor's training they could have done something to help wouldn't you? Some basic medical care.

Though they would also have needed to be moved to a hospital with an emergency department.

Yes - can be difficult to keep up with posts

Exactly. Fair enough if they were queueing up for elective orthopaedic surgery they'd be directed elsewhere but anyone turning up in extremis should have basic first aid as a minimum.